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  • #13
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    Wake up people We will never convince gun whacko's that ANY regulation makes sense - the mentally ill should be able to buy 1,000 Bushmasters if they want under the 2nd Amendment (look closely, I am sure that is written in there).

    39% of household own guns. I would seriously doubt that all 39% of them feel this strongly about any gun restrictions. So who cares about convincing the gun nuts? Doesn't majority rule? No not with Mitch McConnell and his filibuster and the HR being unwilling to allow a vote unless a majority of the majority will pass it. I gues we will not get some reasonable limitations passed with 51% of the population's support?

    And NO we are not talking about taking away all of the guns. Why is it that in any other topic of public safety, you can enact regulations and restrictions but when it comes to guns, somehow any restriction (requiring background checks) means the U.S. govt is going door to door and confiscating all of the guns?


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    While YOU may desire the mentally ill having guns, all responsible gun-owners do not. As you well know (or should know), the 2nd amendment applies only to people in good standing - NOT to convicted felons or the mentally ill.

    No, the "majority" does NOT rule. This is NOT a democracy. Rather, it is a constitutional republic (grade-school civics). People like you are precisely the reason the Bill of Rights was written - to keep "whacko's" like you from stomping on the inalienable rights of the minority.

    You equate 10,000 gun regulations "none"? Consider requesting a refund from your arithmetic tutor. And yes, as you well know, "confiscation" IS their self-declared objective.
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    @martydotcom
    "you too funny to reply point point as to how you didn't read what was said. "
    Please translate that into American.
  • #53
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    @bambi33 The sarcasm contained therein had the intent to extract a fire breathing hyperventilating 2nd amend. social studies expert stereotype and you fell for it. Poof went right over your head confirming once again there is no hope for a sane discussion on guns
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    @bambi33 Suggest a dose of real wold facts: Any Yahoo can go to a gun show plunk Cash and walk away with a weapon in most states. Gun shows usually last 2 days there goes the waiting period right?? How do you know who is in good standing 37 states refuse to maintain a data base.. I see what Marty meant - he referred to majority rule in congress is a farce. Hence even an elected. majority can't win can they??
    Your 10000 gun regs are a fiction they are candy for the masses and filled with unenforceable loop holes or totally disregarded by the states. Apparently you're a tad OCD about confiscation THEIR (?) who is they? I back Gifford-Kelly sane gun laws.
    or a quick solution to the natl. debt.$10,000/round tax on ammo ( smile a joke fear it will go over your head like Marty's post
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    I swear, if you are the leader of an organization and make comments like this, who will ever take you seriously? This is a prime example where colledge education is trumped by common sense. Last time I heard common sense wasn't on the curiculum at any college, and if it was when he was there, it must not have been his major.
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    Having the right to hold a rally doesn't make the rally Good and doesn't preclude its timing from being Insulting or Insensitive. But in this case, look, there are only so many weekends per year so inevitably a gun rally is going to overlap with something. I think we can share the weekend.

    Also, no, MLK would not have rallied for guns with you, you jackass. Stop saying nonsensical things. You're trying to co-opt the liberal triumph of the end of slavery into your conservative political stunt and it is so transparent that it's disgusting. The people in your political tradition supported slavery and you need to own that fact. Your people lost a big bloody war which forced them to stop it already with the slavery. You don't get to turn around and pretend like your political forebears weren't slave owners.
  • #35
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    MLK "ended slavery"? I mistakenly thought Lincoln (the Republican) did that (a hundred years earlier)- in opposition to the pro-slave Democrats. Thank you for revealing that all the history books are wrong. Please let me know how I can acquire a copy of your correct history - to replace all the obsolete books on my shelf. You are so smart and so great. Thank you for enlightening me.
  • #73
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    @bambi33 No, MLK didn't end slavery, liberal politicians ended slavery. That's what I said and then you repeated it so I'm not sure where you got confused.
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    @Roco,
    "no, MLK would not have rallied for guns with you... You're trying to co-opt the liberal triumph of the end of slavery"
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  • #77
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    " ... the right to defend one's home and one's person when attacked has been guaranteed through the ages by common law."
    - Martin Luther King
  • #58
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    Who cares if it "offends" you? The world does not revolve around people who do nothing but whine 24/7. I hope it does offend them.
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    Armed African Americans? There were no African Americans back when slavery started. How about armed African Africans? They were, in fact armed back in Africa where they were captured. They had knives and spears and clubs. Too bad their own race did so much to ensure they were captured and sold to the highest bidder for a boat ride over here.
  • #1
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    This is America. The gun nuts have the right to celebrate any way they want as long as it legal. Hopefully they'll make fools of themselves like the Tea Partiers and drive public opinion more towards being in favor of gun safety regulations.
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    @bambi33 Exactly how does it do that? I am certainly tolerant of the ignorance of the Tea Partiers and am standing up for the rights of the gun nuts to celebrate any way they want as long as they do so legally. That's pretty tolerant. And as for hatefulness there was none there. It's not like I said it would be funny if one of the gun nuts accidentally shot themselves.
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  • #228
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    I think his logic is beyond stupid and I do take offense to his event: however, this is America and they have the right to do so.
  • #65
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    Gun sales have doubled, there is a rush on ammunition, and ammo has become scarce, again. Didn't we go through this a couple of times already in the past decade!?
    This whole pro gun anti gun thing sure is profitable for the firearms industry. It almost makes you wonder, doesn't it!?
  • #36
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    I'm a gun advocate, but this comment about "Armed African Americans Could Have Prevented Slavery" has got to be the dumbest thing I've seen on here yet. The main thing that could've prevented slavery is if the northern states had not shipped them to this country and sold them to the southern states to start with. I know my comment is not politically correct, but check your facts. The southern states didn't have the ships.
  • #45
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    The Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch had plenty of ships and actively engaged in the sale of slaves from Africa to the Americas. Go check your facts again.
  • #56
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    @sittinduck You knew that but decided not to include the importers of 9 out of 10 African slaves in the discussion. Cities in southern states like Charleston accepted slaves directly from the Atlantic slave trade and held slave auctions that were not run by northerners. While there were no doubt slave traders who lived in the northern states before the importation of slaves was outlawed, there was nothing to stop a anyone living in a southern state from buying a ship either.
  • #29
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    If they were given guns obviously things would of gone differently but to bring up MLK is just a racist white persons way of trying to not look racist.
  • #154
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    So... since you are decidedly "trying to not look racist", does that mean you are one? I'm trying to understand the relationship here.
  • #24
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    "if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country's founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history." You know another thing that might have prevented slavery from day one of the founding of the united states? if it wasn't founded by slave owners who protected their rights to own slaves. hell, the even excluded a large segment of whites from participating in the election process. The noble founding father's were really petty colonialists who were tired of being snubbed by british high society and decided to make themselves the new ruling class on this continent. It's far less high minded than people try and make it.
  • #19
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    Another example of the magical thinking employed by gun advocates. Mr LaPierre summarized it perfectly: a "good guy with a gun" will always prevail over the armed bad guy (I'm sure the surviving families of police officers killed on the job find comfort in that).

    Having suspended that much disbelief it's a short jaunt to believe holding a pro-gun rally on the birthday of an assassinated civil rights leader is okey-dokey.
  • #150
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    I'd have to agree that the timing of this and his statements are wrong. Sadly, both sides of this issue are making ridiculous claims.

    But I much prefer being the good guy with a gun.
  • #158
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    Taking your argument to its logical conclusion - it seems you advocate that all "good-guys" simply disarm (due to the utter futility of armed defense), and resort to begging the heavily armed "bad-guys" for mercy. No wonder nobody pays any attention to you.
  • #164
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    @bambi33 My argument is already its logical conclusion. Whatever you elect to do after that point is entirely up to you.
  • #20
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    Sorry, voted you up by mistake. Meant to ask how property could own property? How could a captive, brought across the ocean to be used as a human slave, get his hands on a gun? If they had had guns in Africa during the years when white men were rounding them up and shipping them over here, they wouldn't have been enslaved and brought here in the first place. Is that what you meant?
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    @Denizen_Kate
    Sorry Kate, but a lot of Africans did have guns, and it was not the white man that "were rounding them up". It was however, fellow Africans that were out rounding them up, splitting up and pillaging rival villages. Those that were not strong enough to resist and flee, were the ones brought back to the white man and sold to the white man.
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    @rader6 = "Those that were not strong enough to resist and flee, were the ones brought back to the white man and sold to the white man." Meaning, those who didn't have guns? Regardless, there is no way that someone bound in chains and brought across the ocean as a human slave would have access to weapons of any sort. Prove me wrong on that.
  • #26
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    @rader6 Yah well, call it karma. The tribes that sold off their peers are now left over in Africa suffering one of the worst AIDS blights in history. So... I guess it all evens out.
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    @Denizen_Kate,
    Indeed, that is precisely the point. Those with guns didn't become slaves. Those without guns were enslaved by those with guns.
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  • #8
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    Oh Jeez why is everything thing that comes out of These gun nuts mouths so stupid the NRA blames games and movies for mass murder well the rest of the world watches the same movies and plays the same games they don't they have shooting sprees every week? hmmmmmmm i wonder???probably bc people don't have the ease of access to guns like Americans that is THE only difference between us and other country's how come Canada doesn't have mass shootings every week what's so diff
  • #47
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    You have a vivid imagination. Next time, please form a rational, coherent, relevant, thought - before posting.
  • #100
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    @bambi33 ok How's this why does America have weekly school shootings monthly murder sprees and the highest number of murders? What make America so wildly different than every other country in the world? Can you answer? I sure can....don't repeat the same ol complete BS sobe story about Its bc our culture is violent or blame it on movies or games
  • #189
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    @bambi33 I'm making this point why don't other country's not have weekly shooting sprees???? I asked you to answer you did not the only differences between America and all other country's is Americans have guns everywhere for anyone to grab and other country's do not so what Happens if you restrict the number of guns shootings stop
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    @KyleMF The most glaring American distinction is our inalienable rights protected (from our government) by the constitution. Americans are private citizens who elect public servants to serve their interests, whereas most other people are mere subjects existing at the discretion of their rulers. Like Obama said - dictatorships are much easier and more efficient - because liberty doesn't get in the way.
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  • #18
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    Good question! "... if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country's founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history." How can a piece of property (a slave) own a piece of property (a gun)? This guy is clueless, and indicative of the nut jobs that are just making the situation worse for responsible gun owners.
  • #30
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    @Denizen_Kate,
    Though I can't find your exact wording anywhere in the article, the quote you reference seems to refer to the statement by the anti-gun Maria Roach, NOT the "nut job" Larry Ward (who is most likely a "responsible gun-owner").
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    @bambi33 "I believe that Gun Appreciation Day honors the legacy of Dr. King," said Ward, chairman of the event and president of Republican consulting firm Political Media Inc, on CNN. "We are looking for a peaceful protest. I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country's founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history."
    There ya go. Right there in the middle of the article for those who bother to look instead of just replying nonsense.
  • #49
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    @bambi33 Omg, your comprehension level cannot be that low.
    He said "if African-Americans were allowed to have guns Slavery would not be a chapter in our history." The question Kate is propposing is Can property (slaves) own property.(guns) His comments were offensive and dumb.
  • #51
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    @Waynestew,
    "Slavery means that you are a possession," Roach said on CNN. "Slaves were a possession, just like a gun." Notice the quote is attributed to "Roach", NOT Ward. Now MellowGuy, are you still offended?
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  • #225
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    Somewhat. Do I personally think it's racist? No. Do I think this a poor play in politics? Yes. They could've avoided antagonism by putting the day another day. What about black firearm owners? They don't want to alienate them.
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