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    "There is a need to beef up security.... But, it all starts at home. Lock your guns up." Could not have been better said! Gun owners....READ her last 4 words. This is especially true if you have children and/or a mental issue within your household.
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    Everyone in my family has a biometric gun safe in their house. There is one grandchild in the family to date, he is 4.... yeah, we keep all weapons locked up.
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    @texas_cutie75 Kudos to you. Now, if we can just get the "rest" to understand that! The law needs to press the issue of responsibility for that gun. Child endangerment and/or accessory to the crime (committed by the "child" using that gun).
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    How about anti-gun activists read her last 4 words. Responsible gun owners DO lock them up already, and it's not enough for many people.
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    I agree on devices like biometric safes that provide instant access. Not things like gun locks. Let's make sure we do security that is practical.
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    @Real4WheelDrv Agree 100%. Responsible gun owners do secure their guns. It's the irresponsible gun owners that worry me! If they don't exist, then why do we hear about "children" getting hold of guns (CT shooter was an "older" child...Calif. shotgun shooter the same).
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    I'll have to agree, Jim. Most janitors know every nook and cranny of an institution, building, or complex. And are the least paid. I hope if this method of security is employed, the staff gets a raise that is equivalent to their capabilities.
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    Cops carry guns. Do you worry about them going beserk? I would agree to do this if the school employees receive the same psychological evaluation that police officers to through. That's why we don't worry about the police. So, give them the guns but evaluate them.
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    @jamesmitchell I've met a lot of cops, many are beserk. Indeed, the number of unarmed civilians killed by cops is reason enough to arm citizens.
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    @PoliticalSpice yes , I know cops that are on prozac..they are the dangerous ones because they get away with murder all the time in this country
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    @SignifiedNBlue prozac and seritoion uptake inhibitors are especially dangerous because in some cases they can cause slight episodes of mania or paranoia, very dangerous for someone with a gun and the legal protection to shoot it. Cops on prozac should not be kept in the stationhouse doing administrative or communications work, not involved in aggressive activities likevstreet policing...
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    Another option that a school system can consider for security depending on the circumstances and qualifications of staff.
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    It's this school's right to do as they see fit, but janitors with two days of training? Have they undergone any sort of background check or psychological evaluation? How fit are they, physically and mentally? This just doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
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    @Denizen_Kate - I agree with the background and qualifications being strict and thorough. Between jobs some years ago, I subbed teaching at the local H.S. One of the very first requirements was a Sheriff Dept background check. That was fine by me, due to some of the facilities I contracted at, a security clearance was and is necessary. And no... LOL... none of that '007' stuff - just normal clearance.
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    It's a very good idea. And let's get something straight. I know a number of very honorable men who work as 'janitors', custodians, or 'handyman' because they lacked the money for higher education, and not because they are stupid or criminals. They actually do not mind serving in such a capacity because they aren't snobs. Once again we see bigotry, and once again, that bigotry is not coming from conservatives.
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    I attended a private school and our "handyman" was a highly decorated WWII vet. He wanted to ensure the school his grandchildren attended was adequately taken care. This school had an amazing garden, landscaping, and was kept meticulously clean. There is an Air Force base that trains pilots and those guys happily donated time to his pet project. Never judge a book by its cover.
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    Funny how parents would trust the guy in the uniform over the "lowly" janitor. As if your job somehow excludes you from going nuts or getting an ego. And let me throw this out there, you honestly think that younger and maybe some cases older officers wouldn't be too busy flirting with the occasional pretty girl to keep an eye out? A guy who looks good in a uniform and packing a gun has an aura of power etc.
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    HMMM, kinda sick there. So, you think cops "flirt" with girls that are mostly under the age of 18? You do realize we are talking about K-12 schools and not colleges....right? Welp, once a perv, always a perv!
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    @Real4WheelDrv I'm telling you YOU are calling ALL professional police officers a pervert! Have a little issue with the police to make such a statement? By the way, have 4 friends on the local PD, sheriffs and hi-way patrol and NONE would act like that! All are responsible husbands who just want to finish their shift and get home to their family! Sick statement to put all cops in that category!
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    The last person on the face of the earth I want armed in our schools is the Janitors. You can make any excuse you like but there is no excuse for arming those who are so undisciplined, so uneducated themselves, so low on the totem pole of schools that they are in fact the very bottom in every measurable category (other than cleaning up after people) No i don't want Janitors armed in our schools. This should be a no brainer. What's next? You going to start arming stray dogs?
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    @stepped_in_it I apologize for what I said, especially because when I wrote it I didn't see how it sounded. I feel my POINT is valid, but at the moment I can't think of HOW to say it right. But FYI, I have a friend who works as a firefighter/EMT and he met his wife while responding to a call to rush her mom to the hospital, so don't think being a public servant makes you immune to human nature.
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    Way to go Ohio! About time people said screw Liberals and start taking the safety of Children in their own hands, not the hands of the gun haters.
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    What is with these gun nuts? Do we really want Groundskeeper Willie wandering around Springfield Elementary brandishing firearms? First you want to arm the teachers. Then hire armed guards. Remember - they had an armed guard at Columbine. We need responsible gun safety legislation to keep guns out of the hands of irresponsible people.
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    Overreact much? I doubt that anyone will be brandishing anything. And if they do, they shouldn't (and probably wouldn't) be allowed to carry. As for Groundskeeper Willie, likely as not he already owns a gun.(Gun ownership is almost 50%) As for responsible gun legislation, we already have it. It's more a matter of enforcement that piling on more laws.

    As far as I'm concerned, it should be up to the school board. If they see the need, I'll respect their decision. That's why we elect them.
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    Beats the hell out of abolishing the second amendment, or forcing the children to be sitting ducks via a libtard utopia gun free zone!
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    @JohnnyDee @Thunderchicken Remember guns don't kill people, nutjobs with access to the guns of responsible gun owners do. Adam Lanza's mom was a responsible gun owner. So were the parents of the Columbine killer IIRC. More guns means more nutjobs with access to them which means more gun murders. Let's put guns into the hands of the least educated, most poorly paid people working in the school - what could possibly go wrong?
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    @PNWest

    "More guns means more nutjobs with access to them which means more gun murders. "

    Completely ignoring the fact that while gun sales are up, gun crimes are down.

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    @PNWest

    Ever get tired if being wrong? America has the most private firearm ownership than any other country in the world yet we're not even close to being number in gun related homicides. So once again you're wrong, more guns do not mean more gun deaths, period.
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    Stupid or crazy... stupid or crazy... I can't choose so I'm going to have to say the idea is equally stupid *and* crazy.
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    There are reasons why professional law enforcement agencies give their candidates a psychological evaluation besides having them go through a training academy for multiple weeks. The academy is not just used to educate but also for teaching discipline and further evaluations with the intent on weeding out the "undesirables".

    Personally, I do think arming an individual to carry a firearm around children, after a whole 4 days of instruction/evaluation, is very irresponsible.
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    In Washington, a Vancouver man who volunteered at a church youth group and was reportedly studying to become a child sex abuse counselor was taken into custody this week on federal child pornography charges. Ain't that weird? Are you going to trust your children's lives to janitors who volunteer to carry guns at their schools?
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    I think that janitors are certainly as capable as anyone other than trained law enforcement, and have the tatical advantage over all personnel. I hope that along with training they have a psychological exam. I would want this of any person given the responsibility of pulling a gun and using it in a school setting.
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    What about all those school systems that have outsourced their custodians?
    Those contractors will hire anyone as long as they'll work cheap.
    Do you really want to give those guys guns?
    Half of them couldn't pass a background check.
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    In MO, you have to have a background check to interact with the students. I know from experience that all of the school staff has had one as well as any parent volunteer. Even a field trip chaperone gets one. As well as extracurricular volunteers. (Band boosters etc.)
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    @kathyparsell

    When our kids started going to school, we found out quickly that the quality of the public school depends a lot on the involvement of the parents.
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    @Thunderchicken I agree entirely, have two still in school and two in college, just wishing our school boards were as diligent about the character of those with access to our schools. Unfortunantely, I have many times worked with volunteers that I wouldn't allow in my home.
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    @kathyparsell

    I was surprised how buttoned down ours was. It was kind of funny when I attended my first school board meeting. I knew most of the members socially before I knew they were school board members.
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    Protecting our children should be the number one priority in AMERICA. Let trained professionals protect ours schools. What happened in the state of CONNETICUT must not happen again!! The incident in Connecticut really touched my soul; it hit me like a lightning bolt.....it must not happen again........!!
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    I think so, janitors are not confined to a classroom. They easily maneuver through the schools. That also takes away the issue of the weapons being in the classroom with the students. Well done Ohio!
  • #194
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    If 99% of the people wanted something and it is not Constitutional or does not comply with the law the sheriff would have a duty not to do it, but no such is the case with the armed civilian posse proposal.
  • #193
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    If more people understood how our system of government and rule-of-law works they likely would not be so anti-Constitution and anti-law. The law allows the sheriff to form such a posse as has been discussed, but Arpaio's plan goes several steps further and mandates a certain excellence of training and certification and the whole legal posse plan is filtered through the people. He is not just doing it because the people want it, he is adhering to the Constitution and the law.

    If the people want what their elected representative, the sheriff, has proposed and it complies with the Constitution and law, why not implement it?
  • #189
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    Only if it goes with his uniform, there gone to fit him with first..Is he really the janitor, or a guy just looking to make a couple of bucks.. No disrespect to anyone in that line of work.. I once did it myself, but I wore a neat clean uniform doing it.
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    If a school wants armed guards it can arrange to have police at the school or it can hire someone appropriate for that role.
    That's not in a janitor's job description. Furthermore shall we have the janitors follow the kids home? Kids are more likely to be shot at home or on the way home than at school.
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    Avoid the smoke abouts guns. Focus on school security. Focus on employee on site immediate armed response and school building security upgrades. Why would anyone put glass doors in an area that needs to be secure?
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