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    "Will the White House response inspire more unity?" IMO, unity comes from the LEADERS! And we all know how united our leaders are. Right?(HMMM, do as I say and not as I do)
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    @Rocker How do you know this is republicans, not former dems and reps seeing the failure of both, and having a libertarian view on this?
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    @SmedleyButler - You are correct. I should have been more specific instead of so general. Make that read: Repub and Dem Presidential Administrations taking the anti-secessionist view.
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    @Rocker Does anybody else know about changing party philosophies? It was the conservatives who wanted to secede then just as it is the conservative who want to secede now.
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    @PNWest - Yes, that's a part of the irony too. As well as the Presidents, one Black (part) and one White trying to keep the country together. I'm not pointing to right or wrong here. Just the irony. Should Liberal, Moderate, or Conservative be more accurate or prevalent than Dem or Repub as a description of philosophies? If so, then I'm probably out-dated.
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    To all the secessionists out there...

    Please find a better place to live, and go there.
    We'll try to keep going without you.
    Serves us right, doesn't it?
    Seeya!
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    Hey, If the Federal government keeps stepping on the constitution and progresses towards totalitarianism, Then the succession movement should continue. If re-gressives want to leave liberty states, Seeya! Or, Instead of MAKING people comply with your failed grandiose idea of communism, socialism and have repackaged it as a workers paradise, Why don't you have a working model? I'm sure you can get Barry to give you a waver like his corporate buddies, and let you form a experiment with willing volunteers to prove it(kibbutz). You can be like the AARP of socialists, and meet all their needs when they need you. The government couldn't do it, but I'm sure it's no problem for you. Then if your successful, you can be like any other tax exempt religion of ideas.
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    @SmedleyButler What socialist and communist ideas are you forced to comply with? do you even know what those terms mean?
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    States threatening to seceed reminds me of the 8 year old who threatens to run away from home... where would you go? How would you survive? What would your "nation" do to generate revenue? Will you coin your own money? Raise of your own military/defense? Build your own highways, communications networks and postal service? Generate your own power, your own food, your own water sources? Are you thinking you can take the federal goodies with you when you leave?

    Stop being so childish and learn how to work with others. You will never be able to create some utopia where everyone agrees with you, unless you plan to be a totalitarian regime, where you can crush your own citizens who you deem to be obstacles to your political ends (and that still will not get you that coveted utopia). I think you have lost sight of the fact that even in your own state, there will be people who will object and resist your new leadership.

    Such extremists!
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    So if an abused 8 year old wants to leave home, He(she) can't? Please, our socialist fantasy money is worth NOTHING. Stop being childish? As soon as you stop being stupid and abusive. Why is your utopia ( a proven failure) forced upon everyone? Such extremists!
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    @SmedleyButler

    US currency is still the most secure on the planet...When was our idea of money not a 'fantasy'? tha is what the concept of money is.
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    @SmedleyButler - ad hominem attacks... more childishness. Look if you don't want to discuss the issue, then don't expect me to get into some schoolyard name-calling scrap with you. Prove that I am stupid and abusive. Prove that I have a utopia, and then prove that I force that utopia on everyone.

    I agree with you 100% that our fiat money is worthless. On what will each of these seceeded states base their own money? If these states have not laid out a plan for secession, they are just throwing a temper tantrum like a spoiled 8 year old who threatens to run away from home because they couldn't have something they wanted. People who are serious about establishing their own nation only succeed if they have put some real thought into it, established allies, and strategized a plan of action... I see none of that... I see childishness.
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    To all of you conservatives on Politix who are in favor of secession... Many of you have reminded me that America was forged upon the strength of the individual - not the state. Keeping that in mind my I kindly suggest that you take this to heart and secede as individuals. Just remember - stay away from all of those awful countries with gun control and/or socialized medicine. So ahead - stick it to Obama by emigrating to the conservative paradise of your choice, Haiti, Somalia, Angola, wherever you like. Bye, Bye!
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    States don't need the Feds, Feds need the states. The sole reason they would not allow peaceful secession is money from taxes.
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    Seems New York, New Jersey residents would disagree with you after Sandy hit. Having experienced vast tornado damage in the Midwest, those residents didn't seem to mind FEMA assistance either, now that FEMA is being managed competently. Yes, we are slowly recovering from all the mismanagement of the Bush-Cheney era. You seem to forget the old adage of "there is safety in numbers." I'm sure you and your state will turn down federal assistance when the next catastrophe hits your local region. Time for you to start playing nice with all the other kids in the sandbox:)
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    @Republican5001 I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about all of you conservatives who don't want to part of America. Since Obama won't let your states go it is up to you to "self-secede". I encourage all of those who signed petitions asking to leave this great country to do it as individuals. Go ahead and "self-secede" yourselves to whatever country will have you. I advise to stay away from the western democracies though. They've all got socialized medicine and nearly all of them have very strict gun control. But hey, there's always Somali, Haiti and Angola. Bon Voyage!
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    Why do some people want secession? It is easy. Federal government does not represent will of all people. Economy is not going well, unemployment still high and prediction say that it will get higher, government is trying to asert more authority in lives of people, now the gun issue or better say clash of ideologies., etc. Obamacare was forced upon the people. When people see that they cannot depend on current government and its representatives, democrats and republicans alike, they are seeking way out. Secession is one way.
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    @jamesmitchell People want secession for the same reason they wanted it the first time. Because if they don't get their way, they are going to take their ball and go home. They pout and stomp their feet like a child, instead of organizing and using the pen (mightier than the sword) and bringing about change via the ballot.
    The Constitution is a document that not only 'can' change, but SHOULD.
    http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/Thom...
    The problem is, the people whining most about secession, do not make their message of change such that it will benefit all, only a few. That message isn't enticing to the undecided voter as we saw in November. Those who lost can say whatever they want to about 'why' they lost. At the end of the day it doesn't matter. They lost. They didn't do enough to win.
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    "This is a tempest in a tea pot. The US isn't going to break up."
    Agreed. The only reason we are discussing it, is because silly nutty things are interesting. The average person's beliefs, aren't and therefore not as newsworthy.
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    @Denizen_Kate Thanks Kate. Love the new pic.:)
    Behind Polar Bears, I have a love for big cats. Lioness' especially. Talk about a group of deadly females working together! Makes me shiver! Good thing I'm up at the North part of the planet in the cold. ;)
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    petition for secession ... lol ... you want to leave the union ... just leave and start another civil war ... I don't think the pansy liberals can beat us this time since they've given up their firearms. What are they goin to use .... harsh language? The South shall rise again ... hehe!
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    Yeah...except just like in the original war, the bulk of military power and cnc lies with the union side, so it'd probably end the same too. Unless of course zealots on both sides use nukes, then the whole planet goes down with us.
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    @woodtick57 I think he may be confusing The South with the rise of the Third Reich. I hope not but that's how it sounds.
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    You want a civil war, get to it. You folks are all talk. Been reading the whinning for weeks. Unlike the deluded nuts that post this stuff I have no doubt what would happen. Go ahead, rise up in arms, the first war since ww2, except al quadia, that i'd like to see. Thousands of less right wingers, means less idiots getting voted into congress. The federal govt would swat you down like the flys you are.

    But it will never happen cause you guys are all talk, talk, talk...
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    Well crap. I guess we have to go on supporting the bible belt while they go on spewing their nonsense and living off the sweat of atheists.
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    Hey there....I'm in that upper bible belt but also am an atheists.....and I sweat too!(and it's very lonely here, but quiet, on Sundays.....LOL)
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    @stepped_in_it Yeah every state in the bible belt has some decent people. Unfortunately you are not in the majority or you'd put a stop to this nonsense.
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    @jessejaymes
    Not @stepped_in_it, or even you can stop the free expression of disappointed citizens. We all know that is what it was, a reaction, and to be fair to the secessionist, what better way to counter the "mandate".
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    @woodtick57 Sunday morning is my favorite time to pull out the bike and burn some miles. I can look around and nibnose through the twisties without anyone trying to drive up my pipes.
    Gotta give it up when church lets out though. It gets a might dangerous out there if you ain't watching 'em like a hawk.
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    To all the conservatives in favor of seceding... first of all, I don't want you to leave. I am an American, you are an American. You might hate my views, but the great thing about America, is you have the right to disagree with them, that's what makes us unique. If you think that right is something worth cherishing, then stick around for the ride and wave that flag proud. I'll be standing right next to you with the exact same sentiment... If you don't, then start your own country where everyone has to believe the same thing. Enjoy your fascist, nationalized life. I for one, will keep enjoying freedom as an American citizen.
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    The nice thing about the secession petition signers is it gives us at least a rough count of how many sore losers are out there - and it's a reassuringly tiny number.
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    I don't think that secession is a reasonable option regardless of widespread dissatisfaction with the current administration. It would be more practical to step outside of the box and arrange for a convention of public spirited individuals who are well versed in US history and particularly the Constitution to write a summary of the abuse of power that has become standard and constitutionally valid corrective measures. The delegates should be identified by congressional district in order to tie their findings to specific members of Congress. This is the only way to flag their attention. When nothing else works, perhaps shaming our representatives into constitutionally approved legislation might be an effective alternative.
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    Somehow I don't think it is possible to shame any of these politicians of either party. Everybody hates congress (it has a lower approval rating than cockroaches IIRC) but people of both parties nearly always re-elect the incumbent.
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    Wow. A reasonable proposal that is similar to the manner a constitutional convention would require. Your ifea deprives me of the forum to make wisr ass remarks and actually makes sense. Why is it so few on the right have the ability to think and express themsrlves like you? If they did they might actually win in debate and accomplish some of what they seek. Hats off to you.
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    @PoliticalSpice Thank you for the compliment. I really don't identify with any political party. My positions on political matters are the consequence of the desire to know. I read a great deal and prefer primary sources because it is the tendency of modern interpreters of our history to present historical people and events out of their correct context to promote certain ideologies. Like so many others, I am disgusted with the ineptitude of Congress. The laws they pass or don't pass and usually don't read affect 300+ million people and they are indifferent to the consequences. The uncontested use of executive orders by the President is incrementally moving us away from the checks and balances designed by the Founding Fathers. I taught English for many years and retired because of legislated interference in curriculum and heterogeneous ly grouped students. A "regular ed" class would be compromised of the solid B student, those with learning disabilities, some identified as socially and emotionally disturbed and a number of ESL students. The feel good legislation that gave us this scenario has diminished all of the students in such classes. My interest in history began with an ongoing genealogy project. Since my husband's family arrived with the Dutch, I have been poring over first person accounts from the various places they moved in their westward trek. Their family history parallels so much of US history that I could not help indulging myself in accounts of heroes, villains and thieves. They had a large land grant, payment for service in the Revolution, in Kentucky. Kentucky was under the governance of the Virginia House of Burgesses that claimed land surveys by Daniel Boone were faulty and booted those who had cleared and began to farm the land. Tom Lincoln was a neighbor. His family, my husband's family and many others moved across the Ohio to southern Indiana. There are many instances of government chicanery dating back to the early years of the Republic. Those who benefitted most were the ones who offered to hold the coats of those who gave their all.
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    Well the ultimate authority lies with the people, so it is up to the people to choose the kind of government they want. Of the people, by the people, for the people, is the name of the tune. If the leaders are not united it is because of the people. It is always ultimately referred to the people. It is the kind of system we have.

    I still think Austin should secede from Texas.
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    I'd miss austin and new orleans, but he should have let them seceed. texas and florida are tge only states seeking to leave that pay more in taxes then they cost us.

    The progressive folks could move to the u.s., texas can be invaded by mexico and we can sit back and watch as a whole bunch of the biggest idiots in congress go home to their redneck states. Who cares.
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    @PoliticalSpice I think we should take an idea out of Mitt Romney's playbook. We can have all of the conservatives who don't wish to live in America "self-secede". That way we'll not have to fight another civil war, keep Austin & New Orleans, keep the ones that want to be here and be rid of the ones who hate America. A win for everyone. The only down side I see is that the people who blab on and on about secession are almost always all talk and no action types.
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    @PNWest I want to vote you up twice. More. Someone posted one of those "we are goingto start a civil war" things. I posted back "Get to it, I cann't wait, Watch on tv"

    You should have seen the complaining and whining. What cry babies. They call for war, you tell them go ahead, and they flip out that you're not "oh, poor baby, don't be mad, we'll be nicer to you."
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    After the ballots are counted, the universal truth still remains.-ONE WORLD_ONE VOICE_ONE DESTINY. As for me I have another Destini (my Daughter)_ and if we can't figure this out.. Destini, and her brother and myself.. Will be relocating to Planet X
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    Let the states that made the petitions put it to a vote of their citizens. Let the majority rule, after all it is the democratic thing to do. Oh, and good riddance by the way..
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    Hello, people! I have a question for everyone considering secession. If you invest one million dollars and the interest rate drops, do you give away half of the million dollars in protest of the low interest rate? It is the same with your country. Every state has a vested interest in the country. If you don't like the current president, wait four years and vote him out. You do not cut your country in half, weakening your position in the world. Not one of these states can negotiate with enough power to influence the global economy or the world. By seceding, they would weaken their economic and political standing. America would be a thing of the past, far weaker than many nations and easily invaded. United we stand, divided we fall, people! And really, why let Obama (or whoever it is in government you do not like) damage our country by such an action. Secession is what would destroy our country. In 4 years, vote, vote, vote. In the meantime, make sure you find a good candidate. Also, this is Obama's last term. In 4 years, we choose again. Make sure you go to the booths and vote! By the way, I did not vote for Obama either time but I love my country enough not to weaken it by splitting it up into small parts to be gobbled up by whoever is strong enough to step in and take advantage of our squabbling.
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    Of course the White House doesn't want succession. The "Obama Cult" wants us all to wallow in this together. All the Democratic party has become is a cult or worse. Obama is no better than Jim Jones. He is considered the Almighty Father and Savior by his sheeple while he gets them to drink his koolaid. He has everyone convinced that the US can borrow its way to prosperity forever, that the spending can last forever, and he will take care of them all. Next up will be another $1T stimulus proposal, along with another round of taxes, all of which he will spend. The day of reckoning is coming, and much sooner than his blind followers think.
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