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    As of now, 7 states have passed Federal Firearm Nullification laws- Montana,Alaska, South Dakota, Arizona, Idaho, Tennessee, Utah and Wyoming., Indiana may be the 8th in the coming weeks. If you're in Indiana or know anyone there, pass this on: Senate Bill 130 (SB0130), introduced by State Senator Dennis Kruse. This bill provides that,“a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Indiana…and remains within the borders of Indiana; is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of the United States Congress to regulate interstate commerce."
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    Lots of medicinal marijuana growers in CA who have been arrested. Why? Federal law supersedes state law. I love Indiana but if they do this I will start looking to become an ex-Hoosier.
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    @Cheenoguy Well maybe if the growers ised their second amendment remedies...

    Left ca a year ago, see how being away from marijuana makes one start to think...LOL
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    @PoliticalSpice I was delusional long before I started smoking pot. Haven't smoked in months, but the delusions won't go away. I think people can change thinks for the better through political action. Delusional indeed.
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    What is it that liberals don't understand about math? Confiscating all the guns owned by law abiding Americans won't prevent sick twisted people like Lanza from shooting up schools. Lanza broke many laws on that fateful December day. More laws won't prevent future Lanzas, just like current laws didn't prevent this Lanza. Sick people do sick things. Let me repeat that for my learning challenged fellow liberals: SICK PEOPLE DO SICK THINGS!!!!!!!!!! We can't legislate sanity. It just can't be legislated. What is it that you can't understand about that?

    If we confiscated all the guns owned by law abiding Americans then only criminals will have guns. Liberals, ask yourselves why that is. It's because criminals break laws, they don't care if their gun is illegally obtained. It's only the law abiding people that abide by the law. See how that works? Rescinding the 2nd Amendment will only give a few tree huggers a good feeling in their hearts that will only last until the first time they're robbed and raped. Then they will asking why their almighty gun ban laws didn't protect them.

    T H I N K!!! So sad...
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    So, Neo, who in government is advocating "confiscation?" The President? Nope. The VP? His recommendations haven't been released yet. Got a name?
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    @DARSB - Why won't anybody listen? First step, ban gun ownership. Second step, confiscate everybody's weapons. After all, if owning a gun is illegal then you're not supposed to have a gun. We must vigorously defend our 2nd Amendment rights.
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    didn't obama say a long time back he doesn't think people should be allowed to own guns,seems he still sees it like that.
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    @tomincali - Amazing how gun sales are going through the roof right now. It's going to be that much harder to disarm the American public. obama should just abandon his attack on the American people and focus on stricter enforcement of current laws. If we start putting these thugs in jail for the violent crimes they commit we might clean up some of these inner city cesspools. The entire obama regime is wrong headed.
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    @Mogal the only thing the gun control debate will accomplish is to swell the reelection funds of congressmen.
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    Or could it be that gun ownership in this country is quite popular. And that the gun owners don't trust the federal government to act in their interest.
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    A ban is a reaction not a solution. What is the plan to deal with the high capacity magazines and assault weapons that are already out there? What is the plan to eliminate the knowledge to modify non-assault weapons into assault weapons? What is the plan to deal with theft of such items? What is the plan to make criminals follow the law? Once you control advocates have ironed out those issue then can you please tell me what your plan is to actually keep lunatics for murdering school children, church and movie goers because a weapons bans will not deter that mentality.
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    @woodtick57 That's not a plan that's wishful thinking. Criminals and the mentally ill are going to be some real tough customers for that magic to work on.
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    @Buzzfriendly Not really. other countries don't have the mass public shootings we do. they have guns, they have mentally ill people. they have violent video games and movies. what they have different is their attitude towards guns.
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    @woodtick57 You forgot that massive shooting in Norway. Criminals and the mentally deranged don't care about laws.
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    I'm so torn on this issue. I don't believe anyone needs the kinds of weapons that we have seen being used in their mass murders. Where do we draw the line on weapon legality? Can I own a rocket launcher? Bombs? If not, why not? Where does my right to weapons end and the safety of society begin?

    I believe the NRA, as all- powerful as it seems to be, as a responsibility to EVERYONE in America, not just it's members and advocates. It should be trying to come up with solutions rather than knee-jerk answers like arming everyone in the country and turning the place into the OK Corral. And Joe Biden is doing the same thing. His ideas of stricter laws is a knee jerk reaction.

    Why is it that here in America we have ZERO creativity when it comes to solving our problems? We immediately create a law. It's the easiest, fastest and cheapest way to think we've solved an issue. What ever happened to thinking outside the box? Whatever happened to putting a little joint effort in and coming up with solutions that could truly be beneficial and not as intrusive as another law?

    Maybe if we didn't spend so damn much money overseas year in and year out we could actually fix our own country and make it better for everyone. Instead, we're broke and we end up sticking wet bandaids on all of our problems and hope they hold. What a f-ing mess this place has become.

    It's not the guns that worry me as much as the overall downward spiral I'm seeing in this nation that's been going on for at least a decade now. And we're so engrossed in each and every little individual issue that we're missing the big picture. I'm beginning to think that maybe we just don't care anymore.
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    This is an excellent statement. In support of your statement, I would point out that the Roman Empire became so entangled and engrossed in "Foreign Affairs" that they paid little to no attention to problems at home and crumbled internally. Today with technology and the many ways of deceiving, abusing. distorting and shifting blame by our two major parties, we are not likely to see a collapse from within. The collapse will be on OUR head. By design.

    It would be laughable if it weren't so tragic when people say "we have a right to have guns to protect us from our government and Obama wants to take our guns". As long as we don't revolt against the Ultra rich taking our money, our opportunity and our future they won't bother with our guns to any great extent. Once we do revolt they'll take our guns at the point of tanks and real assault weapons.

    This latest round of high profile killings were done by people who were clearly insane. Newtown, Aurora, Arizona. All clear lunatics and all who used legally purchased guns. The argument is that banning semi autos and large magazines would lower the body count. It would not stop the killings by lunatics. It never has, it never will. Is that what we are arguing about? Whether someone can kill 10 instead of 27? People will use what is available. A woman in Reno mad at her ex, used her car to ram through barricades and into a street party. She was still on death row last I heard. The 9-11 conspirators used box cutters. How was that death count for you people? The reason there won't be any gun legislation over these recent killings is because there is nothing gun legislation does to prevent these from happening unless you accept that they will and spend the money to isolate everyone from everyone else at school, in theaters, in public appearances. Then they'll use grenades. And don't think they can't find them

    "Pay that CEO' is correct. We've become a nation of splinter issues, and everyone's issue is more important than anyone Else's. But the most important issue of all is the one that seems to be the most unifying of them all. Finding someone else to blame for each and every thing that takes place. It is what it is people. shit happens.
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    @PayThatCEO It would be funny if we weren't the ones being dragged down with the poor devils. I have never in my entire life seen so many stupid people. And I am not an intellectual. I am not an elitist. I do not have delusions of grandeur. I have always been an average guy. Until the past 10-15 years. Our seniors can't be told anything, don't want to learn anything new, never change their minds and our children are stupid beyond belief by an large. And those in between are a combination of both. Just as long as they can find someone else to blame. That's the important thing.
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    Even our dear Politix is calling these clowns "gun safety advocates," so as Neo would say, "So sad..."
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    Isn't one of the missions of the NRA firearms safety? ;) I'm a firearms safety advocate too. It's called keep your finger of the trigger until you're ready to shoot, always treat a gun as if it's loaded and know your target and what's behind it. I advocate this every time I take someone out shooting. Glad that it's getting congressional attention. Maybe the very few accidental shootings a year can be stopped.
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    The United States has the highest gun murder rate in the developed world. Is it because we are more violent and homicidal by nature? Or is it because we have laughable gun control laws? A clue: it's the second one.
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    It's actually because we have laughable psycho control laws. I'm sure you realize that the guns don't commit murder on their own. Do you? People who use the term "gun control" usually have no idea in the world how to solve a problem so I deem it necessary to ask. If the government bans high capacity magazines and certain types of firearm then they most assuredly come in from other countries and would only be purchased by those intent on using them for murder or other crime. Look at how well drug laws keep have stopped illegal drugs coming in from Mexico. Yeah, Mexico; they have AK-47's down there too. Given that 99.999% of gun owners in this country have never and will never commit a murder or use a gun for any criminal purpose, any new gun law will be pretty much a moot point. Just wait until the psychos decide to start using bombs instead of guns to take out entire schools or malls. What will you want to ban then?

    I do like your logic, though. Let's follow through with that mindless logic and lock everyone in cages to prevent them from doing anything wrong. That's right, just take away everything because one hundred-millionth of the population did something wrong with an item. Take away alcohol, cars, doctors, golf clubs, knives, hammers, airplanes and thousands of other things that have been resulted in unnecessary death. The only logical reason for your comment is that you don't like guns and if you can't have one you don't want anyone else to have one either. So typical of what I hear from you people with no common sense. Maybe if your family gets killed by a drunk you will forget about guns and hop on the bandwagon to ban cars or alcohol or both. People are why other people die. Too bad nobody wants to address that issue.
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    I think it is both, frightens the heck out of me to see the county in a downward spiral of violence and destruction.
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    @Your_Name_Here Put down your NRA talking points for a minute and actually think about this issue. Cars, knives, and hammers? That is such an idiotic retort. Those items all have uses other than killing things. Guns? Not so much. The whole reason they exist is to kill. And I'm sorry, at what point in my post did I say I wanted to ban all guns? I didn't. But that's fine. People like you aren't interested in facts.
  • #105
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    Thanks for your comments everyone. Let's try to avoid including personal/ad hominem attacks in posts. These types of comments set a bad tone and turn the conversation sour.

    Thanks,
    FenceSitter
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    @DCJayB When the objective is "supposedly" to protect lives then the fact items have other uses is not relevant to the premise of saving lives. The fact still remains that if you eliminate them, lives will be saved. Why use the logic to substantiate a position when it only applies to your objective? I don't understand that at all. What's idiotic is that everyone is missing the point. It's NOT the guns or hammers or cars, it's the PEOPLE and nobody has even considered a political grandstand about that.

    I never said anything about you wanting to ban all guns but do quote that from my post if you can find it.

    People have a right to own guns and there is no reason they should not have access to whatever type of weapon they deem necessary. My own personal preference is a combat 12 ga. shotgun with rotary magazine to keep around the house. I wouldn't mind having an "assault rifle" but really have no use for one. If I wanted to kill a bunch of people I would not even consider using a gun to do that. That's where this flawed logic will get everyone into trouble. Again, the people who want to kill will do so with or without guns. How do so many of our armed forces get killed? Improvised explosive devices, roadside bombs - wait till it comes here.
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    I thought we had a manufacturing problem in this country but when U.S. gunmakers rev up the production, some cry foul. And what's being produced is Constitutional in all regards. Amazing how some have so much disrespect for those who faithfully obey the laws.
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    The NRA isn't trying to hide the fact that they will lobby hard for the Constitutional rights of American citizens, just as it is their right to do. Every HONEST poll clearly indicates that the American people do not believe that any kind of ban is necessary, nor will it change anything concerning the culture of violence that exists in movies, television, or video games, which have raised a generation of killers. What attempts at a gun ban WILL change, however, is the makeup of congress..just as it did the last time.
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    @CaryNickel
    What attempts at a gun ban, if successful, WILL change is the bottom line...in terms of profit for gun corporations...which will result in less money to lobbyist like the NRA...which will result in smaller contributions to puppet politicians...which will result in the removal of influence, relevancy,and clout as an lobby organization
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    @Food4thoughts Actually, you are quite incorrect. Organizations like the NRA get far more money from individual citizens/members than they do from manufacturers. And whenever 2nd Amendment rights are threatened by petty bureaucrats or traitorous politicians, NRA memberships, donations, and firearms sales, all go through the roof. Shortages cause price increases, which increase profit margins for the firearms industry across the board, and manufacturers scramble to increase production. It has been reported that Magpul, a manufacturer of high-capacity magazines, now has a backlog of orders for over one MILLION pieces...you can bet they will do all they can to try to fill that backlog in the near future. I guarantee to you that every manufacturer, in this economy, wishes they could experience that kind of demand.
    The ultimate result of the scare tactics being utilized by the leftists and their minions in the news media will be MORE guns, MORE ammo, and MORE high capacity magazines in circulation all throughout the United States, as law abiding citizens stock up on products that are completely legal today, but might not be so in the future.
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    Ok, I said yes....BUT, I know this ban will not change a thing! Only the lazy and stupid will find this ban will winder them in their criminal activities! And just how many of these (so-called) assault weapons and high capacity mags are on the streets right now? And what exactly is their definition of an assault weapon? If we're talking about the military look a like weapons....they are way off base. Any multi-capacity weapon can do major damage (even a Winchester repeater...nice gun).
    Now, whats the answer? Tougher laws (that judges CAN NOT use discretion) with mandatory long (if not life) sentences for use of a gun in a crime. Make jail NOT a resort but more like an extremely undesirable place to be. Make it inhumane, for these are NOT human beings!
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    I own guns, but there is no need for automatic weapons, and extended magazines. However there are so many laws on the books, and criminals are not punished to the full extent of the law. I do believe the gun show loophole should be closed but that is it! No more regulations ever! Now, that being said, if this does become law you are still going to see murder by guns go up. The reason is the economy and drugs. People are stealing more now, there are no jobs, and people will do anything to feed their families. The drug business grows every year. So they can ban assult weapons, extended magazines, and close the gun show loophole, but the mass shootings will continue. And all of you that believe in more regulations will have to accept the fact that people kill people-not guns.
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    before we address gun control, should we first address gun crime? before we address gun crime, shouldn't we first address the lack of father figures, especially in the inner cities where such crime is most prevalent?
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    Assault Weapons, High-Capacity Magazines, Mental Health and Personal Responsibility are all the problem, what it comes down to is people on the right are more far more worried about their assault weapons than they are about the welfare and safty of our children witch does not suprise at all seeing how they are not tolerant of others' views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from their own!
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    Donn't forget the anti gun ppl are not tolerant to the gun owners. views. It's a 2 way street. A nti gunners are afraid because they cannot relise that a armed person can stop violence where a unarmed person is at mercy of a deranged person
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    @artjeb No one has said anything about being anti any thing, I think you should be able to own all the guns you want, just not asault weapons, there is no sain reason for them out side of a war zone!
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    @Raptor I own guns & not once have they caused bodily harm All they have done is put holes in targets. My ar 15 is what is called ASSAULT which is a monicker. In compitition we shoot 20 rounds in within 3 minutes That calls for a 20 rd mag or 2 10 round mag. Anything can be called assault weapon even your keys or a screwdriver, even your hand. Assault is considered a action of agression inted to do harm
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    PERSONALLY I don't care what if anything congress does about gun violence i could care less I'm just sick and tired of hearing about it
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    Our law-abiding citizens shall not be depraved of the ability to defend themselves. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun... Law-enforcement, often times, cannot respond quickly enough to stop something terrible from happening--but decent people are everywhere and willing to stop this, when properly armed. Sometimes it is neccessary to have a 30-round capacity, consider;Riots, gangs with hundreds of members, governments turning on their people... Thinking logically, and using sound reasoning skills, we should be allowed to defend ourselfs--no matter when, where, or with what. A trained person can turn the simplest of items into 'assault weapons', but we deserve to equip ourselves with an equal amount of firepower to counter-act the amount of firepower of our enemies.
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