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    What kind of a poll is this? Why does this one even need a poll? But I thought Obamacare was going to a job creating engine of the health care industry future!?
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    Another lie....
    Obamacare will go down in history as one of the biggest messes in history....and I'm understating tremendously here....
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    The current retirement age is what, 67? Why would someone be expected to retire at age 60 when they cannot draw their Social Security for 7 years? What if they cannot afford to retire at 67? We need to retire the politicians who have screwed up the economy. All of them. Both parties are at fault and neither has a serious realistic plan to fix things.
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    Obamacare? Really? Hahahaha another good one. Does not everyone get this? No corporations are expanding or hiring any new people till they know exactly how much Obama is going to cost them. This has nothing to do with old nurses not retiring. Old nurses are working because family members are unemployed, food and gas prices are outragous, and there is no guarantee that SSI and Medicare are going to remain the same. This was a stupid article.
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    @cleverusername Just got over the flu and had my first day back at work in a week and a half. Feelin good-got my sense of humor back too.
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    Happy to hear you got over the flu. Did you hire a nurse during your illness? Remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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    If a nursing graduate cannot find work where they live, they need to move. There are plenty of places in our country with a nursing shortage! They would find jobs in these places and even be able to negotiate for higher wages because the nursing shortage in these areas are that bad. For me to go back to work in my area of the healthcare industry, I would have to move, but this same area is one with a nursing shortage.
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    Same here in my area. There has been a nursing shortage here for the less 8 years. They are even offering signing bonuses.
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    @Roco
    There are places offering huge sign on bonuses along with paying all moving expenses(including helping you to sell your old home and making the payments on it) as well as providing 6 months rental or house payments for you. If you buy a house, they will also pay all your costs associated with buying the house: like down payment, earnest money, closing costs and title costs. I looked it up to see if the places with nursing shortages were offerring the same thing, because I was offered that to work at a cancer treatment facility in South Carolina as a radiation therapist. I had planned on going further with my degrees, but was not going to turn down that offer. That town is right on the coast! I love the ocean and have always dreamed of living in a town like that. Both of my sons got sick and had to have bone marrow transplants, so I had to turn down that dream job. After my younger son passed away and my older son survived his BMT I continued my schooling to a PhD in radiation physics. I no longer want to do that and am perusing a different degree. I want more time with my daughter than that career allows. Hopefully I will still end up by the ocean! I would not like it if I never got to follow my dream to live there.
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    @BelinKS Condolences for your loss. I did not know some places were offering that kind of incentives. I just think most would have to relocate. That may be hard for some and I can understand not wanting to.
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    @Roco
    I can't move right now. There would be no way for me to convince my 74 year old mother to move from here. My father passed in 2009 and my brother passed in 2007. I can't leave her here alone. Me and my family are all she has here. She took care of me growing up, now it is my job to make sure she is taken care of and that no one takes advantage of her because of the money my father made and is now hers of course. She absolutely refuses to see herself as elderly, but that does not change my responsibility to look after her. She is in amazingly good shape, but is showing signs of Alzheimer's. It runs in her mother's side of the gamily. She refuses to get that checked out. There are medicines and games that can be played to stave off the effects for longer, but she has to be the one to ask her doctor about it. Her denial is just hurting her. I know her doctor cannot tell me anything about her health, but he can listen to what I have to say. I am going to try to talk to him about my concerns, then maybe he can convince her to check it out. I don't care about the money I stand to inherit. I would much rather keep my mom as long as possible! I have already lost my son, step-daughter, brother and dad. She is more important for me to keep. That means addressing any health concerns. She had tumors in both kidneys that she is not following up on either. I'm going to speak to her doctor about that also.
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    @Roco
    Sorry. Thank you for your concern. Also if my son decides to stay in this area after he graduates from college, that would allow me to move. But I want him to be able to decide what he wants to do and where he wants to live without worrying about anybody else. Don't most parents want that for their children? He is 21 right now and really has no idea. He wanted to stay here, but he doesn't know that my mother sold all of my father's family land and the dream house my parents built yet. I think that may change his mind about staying here. He's very attached to that land because of my father. My father stepped into the shoes of being his father because my son's father was a deadbeat dad and quite cruel to him. He was never there for him growing up. My dad was! I have a very strong attachment to that land also. My dad was born out there. The one room school house he went to was just across the road from my patents house. We both see it as a piece of my dad now that he's gone. I respect my mothers decision to sell it all even though it hurts me. My son is not going to see it that way. I don't think he has that maturity yet. I hope and pray he surprises me and respects my mother's decision.
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    @jamesmitchell I enjoy the division sometimes and other times fall for it hook line and sinker and other times do believe in an issue be it decisive or not. though I usually don't go for the unclear or stereo type ones. You know like the ones i mentioned, the race bait, the evil v good (dems v republicans), etc.
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    I agree. Everything is becoming contentious. The news media is literally fomenting hatred between the left and the right with the left leading the charge calling conservatives every name in the book. I was taught ALL hate is wrong. So far as I am concerned the hatred aimed at conservatives and Christians is no different from racism.
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    @Realthinker Agreed the media is hugely to blame. I to see alot of accepted hate speech from the left so much so it has really bothered me and I worry about my family. Litrally.
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    @cleverusername I agree. Sitting here watching a Disney channel with a grand daughter. The indoctrination against conservatives is even aimed at preschoolers.
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    Good or bad times I doubt anyone retires for the sole purpose of letting someone else have your job. And from a patients stand point which do you prefer? Seasoned experienced care or the latest skills in the nursing profession? I think hospitals would prefer the later, amp it up with some media spin when in reality they would prefer the younger RN's because their salaries would be significantly less.
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    It's not just nurses. It's like this for tech/programming jobs. Companies have rigged the system with politicians so we can import workers to do the jobs for 1/2 the cost as American workers. And of course these guys don't mind working 70 hours a week on salary, because the alternative is heading back to Pakistan or India.
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    While I think it's natural that a person not retire if they can't support themselves if they do, work is *hard* on an aging nurse. That is an intensely physical job. I feel really sorry for them. It's just not the type job you want to be doing when you're seventy.
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    @jamesmitchell I am an IT guy myself so I hear what you are saying. I will say I have noticed a trend in my area to go the opposite way. There is untold value in having your programmer located across town vs. the opposite side of the globe. Add to that code security concerns, accountability various changes in IT auditing practices and maybe we can reverse this horrible trend we have been in for the past 15 years.
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    @Buzzfriendly - It's possible that James is referring to the enormous number of Asian tech workers being brought here on H1B work visas. They'll do the work for less, leaving us local, old time professional IT folks in the crapper when it comes to finding work. Trust me, I've been working in IT since 1973, and I've now been unemployed for a full year. I will have to be willing to work for about 40% less than what I was getting, and I can't pay my bills on that. Sigh . . . meanwhile, the bastids in DC keep raising the Social Security/Medicare age.
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    its not that there is no jobs it is the fact that hospitals like alot of other work places are calling outside of the country stepping on citizens for some reason.like the engineering jobs that was pulling the same thing.

    i look at it this way if they are not going against these citizens why are they calling so many nurses in from other countries and saying they cannot find any here. was on my local news today.
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    Good point. Our hospitals are chock full of Filipino Nurses and others who speak with a broad accent. Why are those people working and not Americans? I rarely see a black or white nurse in the hospitals these days. RARELY. And when you do? Speak to them. Listen to the accent they speak back with. they all have them.
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    @jessejaymes this is being pulled all over the place. my town has about 20 maybe more nurse schools folks graduate and cannot get hired yet someone in another country has one of those jobs waiting for them,same as engineers and all sorts of work. yet we are told we need the million being brought in every year,it makes no sense.

    immigration is good unless it is hurting citizens,just look at the last jobs said to have opened. was it 155,000 and not even 10% of those jobs went to citizens from what i read.seems every new job is being given away.
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    @tomincali Follow the money, always follow the money. To a Filipino nurse, half the money a citizen nurse would make is 10 times the money she would make in the Philippines as a nurse. Always follow the money.
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    @jessejaymes also opens up room for abuse and employer misconduct,threats of calling in on them has them jumping like a rabbit. adding in most started hiring only per diem so they are not full time,no bens.
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    @cheesecakes not only do they have an accent,but under pressure their English comprehension is dangerously lacking,putting lives at risk etc.l know this as this is my wifes profession and she is asian
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    Well I had the unfortunate experience to have to go to the emergency (on a weeknight). The waiting room was empty, they took me right in, I saw a nurse in about 30 minutes, saw her again after about two hours and when I unhooked everything after 6 hours by golly I saw another nurse wanting to know what I thought I was doing? According to her I was acting foolish because I was under the care of professionals and I should not be acting as my own doctor. I responded that I had to since apparently all their doctors at what was now 6:00 a.m., were golfing or whale watching or whatever it was that was keeping them otherwise occupied.

    She replied tartly that they were overwhelmed. I replied tartly that I had full medical coverage and they might want to get at earning some of that money and she said she was about to give me some morphine for the pain. I declined on the grounds that I was dehydrated and morphine would further dehydrate me and that she was no doctor and since a doctor was not to be found being busy with gangsters and gun shot wounds and the like, I was checking out. THEN a doctor rushes in (well he claimed he was. I never saw any I.D.). Told me I would be banned from the hospital if I checked myself out and I had to sign a non responsibility for the hospital. Cool. Like I would go back there anyhow.

    There is no shortage of a need for medical personnel. There is an abundance of greed for those who run medical facilities. The reason new nurses can't find jobs is a serious under staffing situation. Follow the money, always follow the money. Oh BTW. That almost 7 hour visit for an IV of WATER and laying on a table? 2,000.00. Wonderful system we have.(Turned out I had had a heat stroke. Morphine?)
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    This is the whole problem of the healthcare system....it is flawed....the whole system is flawed....but Obamacare rather than reforming the system just reformed how people MUST have insurance....addressing NONE of the above problems....in fact making them worse in the short and long run....{sigh}....

    Morphine and heat stroke....LOL! Stick with the homeopathic direction....trust me it's safer and cheaper....
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    @Knightmare We've agree on a number of things in the past. We don't on socialized medicine. I've been all over the world and seen it work many places. We pay double what any other county has and get less than 11 other countries. We have to go to socialized medicine. there is no other way.
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    @jessejaymes Did all those other places have limits on how much health care you could access? Well remember that talk about the 'death panels'. They're back. My doc just explained how on medicare, there are procedures that will be unavailable or limited. Oh and that living will thing, they really want you to sign that.
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    There's a simpler explanation - new grads have unrealistic expectations. It's common for a brand new RN to apply for that first job and expect $80,000 a year, Monday through Friday, no weekends, no on-call, and an hour for lunch.
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    Ha!! I wish I had that schedule...LOL.... hour for lunch!?! What planet are these grads coming from? Some days your lucky if you can pee!!
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    @texas_cutie75 I did HR stuff for years and the quality of new grads just kept dropping. The kids with lots of visible ink and numerous piercings were usually the worst, but I also dealt with some insufferably privileged middle aged divas.
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    There are literally hundreds of postings for nursing positions where I live in NE Ohio. But... These postings are for swing shift, mid shift or weekend shift. New nurses don't get the preferred M-F day shift slot. That takes about 30 years of seniority to get. That used to be an accepted "given" in the profession. I don't understand why this generation is being such a bunch of wankers about it.
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    Too bad the Republicans didn't win. There would be more sickness and more unhealthy people, increasing the demand for nurses. Sometimes the wellness and preventive care route like Obama is pushing is not best for certain segments of the economy.
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    Recently retired after 30+ years in nursing...last 10 years as house supervisor. New grads are very expensive for hospitals to hire. First they do not get nearly enough experience in actual patient care and have to be precepted for 6 months or longer. That means an experienced RN must oversee everything they do. I've heard disparaging remarks about foreign nurses...esp those from the Phillippines. I have had the pleasure of working with these nurses and find them to be every bit as capable as one who was educated in the US. They also have a greater respect for the elderly. One problem I see is that new grads do not want to work off shifts and weekends...well sorry kiddies...people get sick 24/7 and if you aren't willing to put your time in to earn day shifts and want your w/e off I suggest you find another line of work.
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    And if Corporate America decides to terminate you at the age of 60 in favor of a youngster willing to work for 30-40% less money, who's going to hire you? What are you supposed to do for six years, when you become eligible for Social Security? Or is it 67 years old now ... I heard they were going to raise the age again, but I don't think they've done that yet.
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    @whataGOVwehave - Oh . . . well in that case, it wouldn't apply to me since I was born in 1951. So it's still only five years away . . . . and no job prospects in sight . . . .
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    Simply put, there aren't enough jobs to go around. There are too many people, not enough employment. Shortly we will see a glut of college graduates with a ton of debt and no way to pay it off. They've been led to believe overpriced education is the answer to all their prayers, but it's going to be the beginning of a nightmare.
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    Well most people nowadays continue to work (have no choice to) JUST for the healthcare.…….And also the health industry did not like the fact that when nurses were harder to come by they could demand more pay, but if the markets flooded with new people, nurses will work for cheaper and less benefits...and the healthcare industry loves that.

    There is a shortage on physical therapists but you wont see an increase in therapy programs because its a male dominated industry and they keep it protected. They keep the programs small and few& far between in order to keep pay high and demand up.

    Its a big game.
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    Their more experienced peers are avoiding retirement, says new report

    Good!!! Because ObamaCare is going to kill them. They want private insurance and who can blame them!!! Young people dont want to work anyways.
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    No way I vote on this one.. My Moms a nurse for 37 years. And still under 60.., besides that I have 2 sister in laws in that are nurses.. Expand Obama Care.. Everyone knows the nurses are the Physicians assistance
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    Politix again leaves us without the logical and reasonable poll response. How about "No, not as long as congress keeps raising the age at which we are eligible for Social Security and Medicare." Nursing is certainly not the only profession affected by this.
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