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    Right now some gun nuts -- and I do use that phrase deliberately -- are busy on the internet starting yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory. This time that Mr. Obama was responsible for the Sandy Hook murders. This makes me very, very angry, just as it did when people tried to claim that Mr. Bush bombed New York on 9/11. I don't care what your political affiliation is, you just don't pass around nonsense like that as true unless you have something better than some whackjob's utube video. I feel so sorry for the families who lost loved ones who must endure seeing their tragedy ruthlessly denigrated and perverted for some people's political cause.
    I keep trying to be open-minded about the subject of gun control but with those who are against it coming out with this and then the less-disgusting-but-not-persua sive "We need our guns for come the revolution" it makes it hard to see that side as rational.
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    Excellent post - I commend you on your proper usage of the term gun nuts. On the one hand they claims that knives and hammers and cars are as lethal as cars. On the other they say they need an AK47 for protection. Why? Don't they already have knives and hammers and cars?
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    @cleverusername God, I hope the don't represent the whole. But as so often with this kind of thing, they are vocal, they are sure of themselves, and they are spattering as much of the internet as they can reach with their ghoulish idiocy. If you don't want people to think of them first when they think of anti-gun-control, you need to get louder and more public. And good luck with that because it's hard to out-enthuse a crazed conspiracy theorist.
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    @PNWest because guns make a civilization civilized. You cannot use force to persuade me if I am armed, you must use reason. Guns are the equalizer in that they are just as effective for the senior citizen as they are for a weight lifter or gang banger. Remove guns from the equation and the strongest most fit predators again rule. There's nothing civilized about that.
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    @ir0nw0lfe Like we reasoned with the native Americans? I have no need to reason with you as long as I have more powerful weapons.
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    Why? Because those who are supporters of the 2nd amendment are usually doers....those who are against the 2nd amentment....will eventually get around to doing something, someday....when Oprah tells them to....
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    Last year 508 people were murdered in Chicago. More deaths than we had in AFGANISTAN last year. Even though Chicago is the GUN CONTROL CAPITAL of America. Criminals don't care about your laws. It only makes for more unarmed sheep/victims.
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    Of course we are more enthusiastic! You're trying to take away our freedoms and we're telling you that we will not allow it.
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    @Denizen_Kate That's simply not true Kate. Alex Wagner who hosts the 12 o'clock show on MSDNC has openly called for repealing the 2nd amendment. She denies it now but they have her on tape saying it. And please don't act like some on the left wouldn't love to repeal it. No fearmongering, just honest facts.
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    @OhWiseOne - So, some left wing pundit says it, and you believe that's what the government is trying to do? Like I said, fearmonger much? Here in the real world, even the number of far left liberals who want to repeal the 2nd are a small minority. Most of us are center of that, and what we want is more emphasis on background checks, more resources spent on the mental health of the teenage boys and young men who go on shooting sprees, a little less loophole in the gun show avenue of ownership, and less absentee parenting and leaving weapons reachable to the known nut jobs in one's own family. That make sense to you? It seems every time anyone begins a dialog about making changes in how we, as a nation, handle this obvious problem with guns in the hands of the irresponsible, the low information types knee-jerk to the insane conclusion that we're trying to take away their guns or infringe on their rights. I say again, ease down. Sheesh.
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    @Denizen_Kate Ok wise one, I'll tell the truth. Our plan is to take away your guns, force you into a gay marriage, make you convert to muslimism, and raise taxes. In the name of the adminstration I beg you to stop exposing our plans. Your post on politix is the only thing stopping us from swearing in fidel castro as the next president.
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    @Denizen_Kate Would any of those things that you propose stop guns from getting into the hands of thugs and gangbangers? No. Would any of those proposals stop any criminal from getting their hands on guns if they really want them? No. We don't need any more laws in this country Kate. We simply need to enforce the ones we have.
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    Activism Gap? Oh wow trying to confuse the public? You can't on this issue. People who legally own guns will fight tooth and nail to keep them and that's all the politicians need to know. Where's the next politically correct misnomer? lol
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    @Zazziness Those people were minding their own business just like the American Indians. Wasn't no cause for the government sanctioned murders.
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    @MadAmerican So you admit being heavily armed really doesn't do jack against a hostile U.S. government. So why do you need them, again?
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    These people are of the same mindset that pushed prohibition and you see how that worked out for everyone. Oh yeh,same O same O for drugs and we really have a good handle on that. Wow golly gee, who woulda thunk?
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    The overwhelming majority of people, including myself, support enhanced background checks. Requiring guns to be locked if minors or the declared mentally ill reside in a home is plain common sense unless the person is directly carrying that gun. I'm sure the majority of people would support this. Penalties for using a gun unlawfully should be significantly increased.

    Making me give up magazines and semiautos I believe crosses the line concerning infringement.

    I believe the law abiding that have been trained and have CCW permits should be allowed to carry in "gun free" zones. These folks are not the problem.
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    The only problem I have with your "penalties for using a gun unlawfully" suggestion - is that (like here in California) they will eventually make just holding an unloaded gun, into a crime. So it is already being used to persecute otherwise peaceable law-abiding citizens.
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    @bambi33 There are some gun laws I believe should be court challenged, like magazine capacity limits. I know, it takes forever. We need uniform laws and not a patchwork of different laws that make one person a law abiding citizen and the other a criminal for doing the same exact thing. I know i'm preaching to the choir but there are methods of getting these types of laws overturned. I believe its an infringement on Ca's citizens. Folks in Ca. should enjoy the same capacity to carry concealed also. It shouldn't be reserved for the "elite" of the state. Sadly, our federal gov't is trying to go the same route. Those yelling the loudest in our gov't receive paid protection or have special considerations other don't enjoy. This creates different classes of citizens.
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    Excuse me Politix? Gun nuts are spending every disposable dollar they can find on guns and their cause. Why wouldn't they outspend the other side? It's just part of the deal. I knew a pawn shop that contributed part of gun sale to the NRA. Suppose that contributions by gun dealers might skew the percentages a tad?
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    @mtkopf LOL yeah I thought of them after I posted. Stand to reason those with a vested interest in profit from guns would make up a large amount of those contributions.
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    Gun owners are more knowledgable about the subject. They actually understand what "semi-automatic" means. They understand the difference between an assault rifle and an "assault-style" rifle. And, above all, they understand that a gun, any gun, is an inanimate object. It cannot think, and therefore, cannot plan an event. It will remain exactly where you put it until you or someone else moves it. It must have ammunition loaded into it. And, then, it must be aimed and have its trigger pulled to do harm. This sequence of events must be performed by a person.
    You must, therefore, decide who can use a gun and who cannot. We have laws to do exactly that...BUT THEY ARE NOT ADEQUATELY ENFORCED. We do not need more laws.
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    I think its about the second amendment not so much guns, per se.. If anyone tried to take my first amendment, they would die trying. Its about rights not entitlements. Government takes one right they start on another.. People have a RIGHT to have guns.. originally to PROTECT themselves from the Government. Now the Government wants to take the protection a way?? Well hell yes people are in an uproar!
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    When those RIGHTS were enacted it was during the BritishGovernment BS.. thats why our families before us fleed to America. No more Kings, remember? They were to protect yourself from the G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T and your life and property from the Government lol
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    We have the RIGHT to over turn our Government..Some people still use and believe in those absolute rights

    The US Constition IS the law of the LAND..it is suppose supersede all other laws.. But not so true. Hell Im waiting for Obama to try and get rid of the US Constitution...you know, its no good anymore LOL
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    One more thing thats always urked me,
    The US Constitution.specifically states we have the RIGHT to move freely, without constraints on our roadways..why the license???
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    gun control legislation isnt about controling guns, its about controling we the people.
    Its always the first step toward Communism.
    Dis arm the people first, make them needy sheep to the Gov.
    Thats has always been a Liberals dream!
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    I agree. This is all about Obama's dream to emulate Adolf Hitler. We are taking all the steps of Nazi Germany from the late 1930's. Next step - disarm the public. He has already got some stupid rule in education that says high school students must read his Executive Orders. Grade school children chanting Mmmm, Mmmm, Barack Hussein Obama. Next up is blanket amnesty for "his new supporters" the border crossers. Talk of reparations for Black Americans. Where do you think this is headed people? Obama has created a Cult following who deify him. This has a scary ending.
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    When you try to infringe on rights, people get motivated, and are typically more motivated than those trying to take them away.
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    Money and propaganda on the part of the NRA= Spin

    The big blue meanies are coming to take our guns away, they cried!
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    Maybe somewhere along the way a little common sense will come into play? Can't believe i'm saying that in todays society. Common sense, is that extinct or just on the endangerd species list?
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    Not extinct yet, but certainly circling the drain. The loud mouthed "gun nuts" do not represent responsible gun users and owners any more than the Westboro Baptists represent Christians. The focus needs to shift away from how many guns you can own and what type of guns you can own, and more into spending some resources on the mental health issues of the teenage boys and young men who go on these shooting rampages, and on background checks, and on silly things like, oh, keeping your guns locked up at home and out of the hands of the nut cases in your own family.
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    @Denizen_Kate Squeaky wheel syndrome. Gun control,gay marraige,wellfare,debt ceiling,on& on &on &on. It's what we do best because it muddies the waters and then we won't have to do anything that might require accountibility. Aint it a great state of affairs that we have created?
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    Huh....did all you Brady nuts see this little tidbit?

    Apparently COPS being shot and killed by GUNS has fallen to record lows;

    "The number of firearms deaths fell 33 percent in 2013 and was the lowest since 1887"
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...

    Imagine that.....MILLIONS more Americans packing guns now than ever and FEWER cops were killed in 2013 than more than 100 years !
    Guess all that Brady rhetoric was BS yet again....
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    Well, come on people! Things seem to be seriously in favor of everyone concerned but the citizens of America! Well people, if you let them get away with this crap who's fault is it! We better get ready to mass in great numbers and finally confront the Police State and this Dictator President and his administration by going to Capitol Hill with bull horns and large crowds in the tens of thousands and let them hear just how serious American's are about our country and our freedom! If we keep sitting on our butts, there won't be enough guns for the citizens to ward off the onslaught that is coming when the government decides to invade us in our neighborhoods.(That is after they continue to takes peoples guns away unjustly) This is going to happen! If it comes to war with these crooked Police who have joined forces with Home Land Security, so be it. First you need to set up an agenda within your neighborhoods and communicate with adjoining neighborhoods militarily! Once it does happen, a mass forming of citizens armed to the hilt must advance on all Police Departments and surround them and take them down. Some will die and some will live on, but its the last chance we'll ever have! well, got any better ideas? This is a last resort and only if Obama initiates force or Marshall Law in our cities! I am by all means not attempting to incite riots or confrontations against our law enforcement officers. If the Police initiate such actions, they themselves will actually be breaking the laws of our constitution!(Many may be innocent, but those numbers seem to be shrinking quickly) But, should they advance against us, we must be prepared to react defensively on our own behalf for we are supposed to be humans who live in a free land that allows law abiding citizens the Right To Bear Arms! I hate to say things like this, but it seems that soon if we don't say it or think about it, or do something about it that we shall be caught with our pants down and the only gun we men will have left, will be dangling between our legs! God forbid, should they shut down the internet!
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    More Americans are personally invested in the issue because a MAJORITY of households own guns. Also the very philosophy of those for gun-grabbers influences them, i.e., they rely on government to DO EVERYTHING for them, including take the lead in lobbying for tighter gun control See the web site assaultweaponsbanof2013 dot blogspot dot com for US Department of Justice Reports that make clear hog BIG the LIES the government is spreading, with the help of the News Media, are. It's no wonder there's a ban on Gun Research. USDOJ statistics DO NOT support the gun-grabbers mantras. They don't want to be confused with facts. They don't want more facts to confuse them. Now, a non-segue. Did anyone else besides me notice the JOYFUL look on the look of those parents who lost children in the Newtown, CT Sandy Hook Elementary Massacre? I'm talking about the parents of that pretty little blonde girl whose picture is being plastered everyone as a visual aide to promote gun control. The young, attractive couple looked at each other and THEIR FACES BEAMED WITH JOY AND HAPPINESS as if they had just been told they won the lottery and totally out-of-character for parents who lost a precious child about 1 month ago. It seemed VERY STRANGE to me.
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