• #23
    @dances-weebles - when you allow your representatives to enact laws that take away from you obtaining/owning something you want, is giving your freedom of purchasing and owning these weapons away. I guess you assume you live in a free country, I can prove you otherwise.
  • #30
    @kirbstomp1 I think most of this is common sense in the new NY laws but that lowering the clips from 10 to 7 is just grandstanding. The banning of semi auto rifles is a joke. It just creates a black market. If you're going to register those who already have them just register everyone who wants one. That's another useless segment of the laws. I agree pretty much with the rest.
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  • #8
    lets run a test - would this have prevented Sandy Hook test:

    1. Bans a wide range of semiautomatic rifles - Nope, pistols and rifles not on the list are [almost?] just as effective.

    2. Requires background checks for buying bullets.- Nope, weapons and ammunition came from mother of the assasin who had a clean record.

    3. Requires background checks for all gun sales, even private sales between family members.- Nope. Assasin did not "buy" weapons off of his mother's corpse.

    4. Bans ammunition magazines larger than seven rounds, down from the current 10.- Nope, unless you want to argue that the assasin killed 26 on one clip. Lucky number 7?

    5. Creates a complete database of all the people banned from gun ownership.- Nope, motherwas not on list.

    6. Increases jail time for gun crimes and for taking gun into schools.- Nope, unless you think sending the mother's corpse or the assasin's to jail would have an affect?

    7. Doctors and therapists must tell state authorities about patients who threaten illegal gun use.- Nope, weapons came from mother of the assasin.

    8. Handgun owners must renew their licenses every 5 years.- Nope, weapons came from mother of the assasin.
  • #31
    You need to go to New York and explain this simple common sense reasoning and logic to them....they probably will look at you, stare at you and laugh at you because they won't get it but....
  • #58
    @Knightmare - I'm afraid the only lesson that they will learn from would be a night of broken glass or another Armenian genocide. But something like that could never happen in this country, just ask the Cherokee.
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  • #5
    Keep in mind that this bill was passed by a republican-controlled state senate. A bipartisan effort to reduce senseless gun nut killings. Common sense wins the day in NY!
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  • #19
    Won't make a bit of difference. You only have to look at Chicago to see how gun control there did absolutely nothing. Hell, it's only getting worse there.
  • #20
    @Mogal I made a special effort not to put anything too inflammatory in my original post. I figured the gun nuts would be all over this topic and didn't need my encouragement.
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  • #29
    another undereducated hillbilly yammering along about communism... and he wouldn't know a communist if one bit him on the end of his nose.

    there's a difference between common sense and 'authoritarian', you know.
  • #57
    If gun control worked Chicago and D.C. would be the safest places on Earth. If you've ever been to either you know they are not. It seems to me that Obama wants the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens but he says nothing about the gangbangers and thugs that terrorize our cities on a daily basis. I'll end with this. Any man or woman who would use dead children to advance a political agenda that they couldn't otherwise pass deservers nothing but shame and scorn.
  • #81
    Chicago has the most restrictive gun laws in the country. However, In the first week of 2013 it had already had 12 gun murders. In 2012, 506 people were murdered in Chicago. The city boasts the highest crime rate in the nation and
    more Chicago police officers were killed by gunfire than in any other police agency in the nation. Most murders were gang related...gang members always
    find a way to get guns. So, when they ban all these guns, do you really think the
    criminals will not be better armed than the law abiding citizen?.. Makes me feel
    safer already!( sarcasm)
  • #83
    @mimi57 Good afternoon. Very well said and very true Mimi. Funny, or not so funny, how the media ignores those facts.
  • #38
    Despite all the handwringing and hyperventilating there is no mention of confiscation in this bill. Can we drop that silly "gungrabber" meme now?
  • #54
    You can't belong to the right wing unless you are perpetually afraid of something. It can be communism, socialism, gays, black, illegal immigrants, the CHinese, Muslims
  • #60
    Sorry post got sent before I finished....

    You can't belong to the right wing unless you are perpetually afraid of something. It can be communism, socialism, gays, blacks, illegal immigrants, the Chinese, Muslims, the deficit, Iranians, North Koreans, gun confiscation, Obama, Clinton or any combination of the above but you've got to be convinced that the world is going to hell in a hand basket to be a member in good standing.
  • #69
    Nah, they'll just up the ante on the repeating of memes.
    Someone here on this thread actually mentioned kristallnacht and the Trail of Tears.
    Must be a new meme.
  • #24
    Background checks for private gun sales is not enforceable, especially if the guns are not registered. Stricter penalties for carrying guns on school grounds, so the school shooters can get a few more years tacked onto the number of life sentences?
    A background check for ammunition is a good idea though, but not sure that it will be effective in stopping such tragedies as inspired it. Most school shootings have included handguns which will not be banned by this bill.
  • #27
    Also I think that the database of those restricted from gun ownership should be nationwide not just statewide. I support gun rights, but think responsible gun ownership is a must for all gun owners, that would stop these events more than anything else.
  • #36
    I'm sure school shooters are terrified by the increased penalties for shooting up a school since most of them commit suicide.
  • #4
    "2. Requires background checks for buying bullets. NY is the first state to enforce this."

    I really hope they wrote it that way.... Dumbasses.
  • #13
    Just wondering, since a bullet is just one component of a round or cartridge does this new law apply to people who buy bullets for reloading their own rounds or what? This is what happens when uneducated people rush to judgement, i think dumbass does apply here!
  • #87
    @SavageMazx right... and did you know that in the north slope region of alaska, when police respond to a call against any Iñupiaq indian the are not allowed to enter with a drawn weapon.

    my brother in-law was stationed on the island of kaktovic, alaska, about 300 miles north of the arctic circle for several years and here's how it works. normally people call the police for domestic violence and rape calls. since the two most common calls on the island are for those two crimes,(other than the fact that some industrious polar bear wandered across the pack ice and i strolling around town looking for someone to eat) it's not unimaginable that it's a real call, but many times they are bogus. when the police enter the house, however, there are almost always 6 to 8 armed Iñupiaqs sitting on the sofa and they start shooting when the door opens. the responding officer cannot return fire unless he or she has first been seriously wounded. what the officer must do is to wrestle the Iñupiaqs to the floor one at a time and subdue them with their hands behind them and wire ties on their thumbs... usually while all the other people are shooting at him... and since there are only two police officers on the island per season and one has to be in the office at all times there is no backup to call.

    the really cute thing of this scenario was that bob wore very thick glasses, and, as you probably know, it's quite common for one's glasses to fog up when entering a warm house from sub-zero outside temperatures, but if one enters the house slowly backwards they don't fog so badly... the Iñupiaqs all called him a coward because he had the good sense to wear a second chance vest backwards over the one that he wore correctly, and often wore a kevlar helmet as well. funny, that.
  • #89
    @dances-weebles now that is dang funny. Here is how I would handle the "warning shot" first shot into the intruder while saying "stop or I will shoot", second shot into the ceiling...
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    When in the course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

    We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the Present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.

    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
  • #79
    @dances-weebles sometimes you need them for protecting life and liberty...and being alive and free just might lead to happy
  • #105
    @dances-weebles true...but a well placed bullet is often quicker and cleaner and minimizes the chances of physical damage to myself. :)
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  • #14
    "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
    George Washington

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
    William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783

    The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."
    Patrick Henry

    "Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
  • #160
    As if it really matters. Firearms are already so regulated that many don't bother registration or following the current gun laws anyway. The Police would have you believe that they should have the only authority to protect the public. I would prefer a fair chance to protect and preserve my personal freedoms ,family, property, and if needed against a overzealous regime bent on revoking my second amendment rights by over regulating law abiding citizens because of a few paranoid individuals and maniacs bent on taking out their delusions on the public.
  • #152
    What Mayor Mike "the Nanny" Bloomberg won't tell you is that he's reduced crime a bit by turning NYC into some sort of throwback to pre-WWII occupied Europe, where Police can STOP AND FRISK anyone they want to and conduct a Terry Stop of anyone they want to for as long as they want to. Ask yourself, especially if you are a person of color if you want to live in a place like THAT. The US Prison Systems just about GUARANTEE that you will never be wounded or killed WITH A FIREARM, but do you really want to live in a prison system. The reason the Obama Administration, nor Mike "the Nanny" Bloomberg, nor George "No Guns for You!" Soros want Federal Firearms Research is that ALL OF THE RESEARCH DOESN'T SUPPORT THEIR VIEWS.
    For example, the US Department of Justice excellent "Impacts of the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994", Publication no. NCJ-173405, STATES VERY CLEARLY:

    1) "...the weapons banned by this legislation were used ONLY RARELY in gun crimes before the ban..." (emphasis added).

    2) "....the fact that the banned weapons AND MAGAZINES WERE RARELY USED to commit murder in this country..." (emphasis added)

    3) "...the banned buns are used in only A SMALL FRACTION of gun crimes; even before the ban, most of them rarely turned up in law enforcement agencies requests to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) to trace the sales histories of guns recovered in criminal investigations".(emphasis added)


    See this report, and download it and others free at assaultweaponsbanof2013 dot blogspot dot com. SEE WHY PRESIDENT OBAMA CONTINUES TO BAN FEDERAL FIREARMS RESEARCH? It doesn't back the anti-gunners' claims!
    They simply can't have that! lol.
  • #156
    I'm not in New York, but I sure feel like I'm in that pre-WWII occupied Europe you spoke of.

    Last night there was a police roadblock near my house as I was going home from work. They do this a lot. I find it creepy. This police around here love to pull people over. I see it every single time I go out. Anyway, unbeknownst to me, my driver's license expired last month on my birthday. I kept thinking it expired next year, and I got no renewal notice in the mail. I'm pretty anal about that stuff because I know how Nazi the cops get around here about expired tags, etc.

    Anyway, this cop saw my expired license and he was ready to actually arrest me. I was scared to death. He didn't believe me that I didn't know it was expired. I've never been in trouble with the police in my life. The thought of going to jail over something so stupid was unbelievable.

    After some back and forth and a promise to get the license renewed today, he let me go, but what kind of nation have we turned into? This is not the America I grew up in. I'm 55 years old. I've never caused any trouble to anyone; but 2 blocks from my home (which I own and pay taxes on, btw) I'm threatened with jail for my license being two weeks expired.

    This country is nuts. No doubt about it.
  • #147
    ask this Progressive moron Gov. Andrew Cuomo that his personal security staff are only going to load just 7 rounds into their personal AR 15's and Tec Nines.
    This progressive communist Cuomo is a Typical Major Liberal Hypocrite.
    These NY people have got to be utter huge idiots to even elect this man.
    I hope thousands pack up and leave NY.
    I hope that state turns into a virtual crime infested shythole. and has to file bankrupted.
    Oh Wait.......LOL
  • #136
    Seven round magazines? Ok, so everyone's going to buy 1911A1 .45's instead of 8 shot 9mm's. Yeah, great idea. Oh, also any 10 shot .22 handguns will be out.
  • #130
    after these laws take effect if anyone is to believe gun control works then there should be no gun crime. yet we know if gun crimes are done with stolen guns proving the foolish control does not work these folks will not dump the idea and see it as a fail. they will just try more gun laws which all know will again only effect honest law abiding citizens.

    one thing though,if a citizen is disarmed and killed should not those who disarmed that citizens be charged with the death,after all they are guilty of making that citizen helpless.
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