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    Bette Midler, if they didn't cut mental health facilities back then, you wouldn't have been singing today. The Mental Health Problem was caused by BOTH parties you callous twit. Now go back and sing. Like the vast majority of the rest of Hollywood, nobody gives a crap as to what you think...
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    People like us don't give a shit what celebrities think, but low information voters who can name every contestant on American Idol but don't know who the VP is do pay attention.
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    Have you ever noticed the Hollywood bunch are experts on everything. The experts that disagree don't know anything, but the "Stars" know everything .
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    Is there an empty institution where old celebrities can go? Let them rant & spew their liberal nonsense to each other. Bette can go & play hostess. George clooney and his ilk can all live there. There has to be an empty institution somewhere in california in the right neighborhood of course, they dont want to be bothered by the riff-raff.
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    I know that I rarely saw homeless people on the streets until Reagan opened the doors of the mental institutions. Then they became a fixture on most street corners. I can't prove that it is cause and effect but....
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    It was the right move to stop institutionalization. But the system of care for those put out of institutions didn't chnage with it... THAT is what has caused today's problems. If there had been the proper supports in place in the community, with all MH professionals working toward the same goal, things would be a alot better now...

    Everyone seems so focused on mental illness as the culprit for mass shootings when it is clear to any sociologist that anomi is more to blame... anomi is the direct result of institutionalization of our schools, our mental health system, our places of employment, etc. When we have so many systems that create isolation and anonymity, so much bullying and forced conformity, we have to expect it to cause some to go nuts and attack anything that represents the source of their anomi.
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    Most people would be surprised to know how much deinstitutionalization has shortened the life expectancies of the chronically mentally ill.
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    You have to consider the source- people of Midler's status don't have to deal with the real world on a daily basis. They can be dreamers just because they can. The majority of the rest of us have to dig around down here on ground level. I don't know that makes her basic point irrelevant but I don't think she's able to see reality, either. Reagan then or Obama now are nothing more than talking heads with a really neat title. What actually happens is based on what the rest of the politicians and bureaucrats do. Midler needs to realize that if she wants to be taken seriously.
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    I've worked in the mental health system. People with bona fide mental health problems commit crimes at roughly the same rate as the general population. For an individual to have a mental health issue is not a crime by definition. There are SOME people with mental health issues to need to be institutionalized for their own protection or the protection of society, but they are a decided minority of that population.
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    IIRC about that time there were some ACLU lawsuits demanding mental patients rights that lead to mentally incompetent people making their own decisions.
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    Yes, that is exactly what happened. Reagan and the conservatives had nothing to do with it. In addition, the lawsuits also greatly increased the homeless population.
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    I don't think it was about making their own decisions (though I'm sure there was a few), but most were suing over the horrible conditions and procedures that were normal day to day activities in those hospitals. Those horror stories about mental hospitals aren't all fiction. So you had lawsuits on one hand, you had pharmacists saying these people could be 'normal' if given the right drugs, and a budget crisis; so as a swift way to deal all of these issues the federal govt closed all mental health 'hospitals', but then did nothing after to ensure those people got the care they needed.
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    @AceLuby

    Yeah I'm pretty sure it was. If I remember the headlines of that time, allowing mentally incompetent people to make their own health care decisions was viewed by the ACLU as their right. The whole protecting them from themselves was considered a civil rights violation. And the argument on the other side was in favor of protecting society from them and how they would end up in jails or homeless and not getting the care they needed. Again IIRC this was also dealt with on a federal level.

    I won't argue that conditions in some (particularly for profit) institutions were and still are horrible.(I'm dealing with that right now with my 90yo dad.)
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    Thunderchicken, you are erroneously assuming that all mentally ill people are also incompetent... and that is comepletely false. Statistics show that everyone of us either works, does business or lives with a person with mental illness. Incompetence is actually kinda rare... about 10% of all mentally ill people... the rest are fully capable of making decisions for themselves, if given the opprtunity to do so.
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    This is a ridiculous claim from a liberal celebrity. Who cares? If it bothered Californians that much, they had plenty of time after Reagan left the Governor's office to change it.
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    It was Jimma Cahta who took the plan national. Why doesn't world renown political expert Midler raise that? After all the problem isn't limited to Cali
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    You know folks I've live near "Hollywood" and worked within the entertainment industry for many decades. I don't of a single person in the industry that gives a rats ass what Bette Midler has to say about Politics. Or Streisand. Or the Baldwin Brothers. Or Charlton Heston. Or Ronald Reagan. We know better. We know better than to think that actors and singers and what have you know anything about politics. For some strange reason those of you who are extremists on one side or the other like to champion these people are someone who matters beyond what they do for a living. They don't. Most of them are egomaniac idiots. Give it a rest.
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    No matter who it is, we strongly need to refocus on helping the mentally ill. There is a great need to treat the mentally ill and stop treating them like "criminals". There should not even be any politics involved.
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    The cyote ugly celeb is just looking for attention because she hasn't been in the spotlight for some time now.
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