Best
264 Comments
Post
  • #1
    !
    If I expressed myself about how I feel about this guy Politix would boot me faster then the tea party getting rid of a black guy who accidentally stumbled in.
  • #19
    !
    Tea party is not a racist organization this liberal demonization of everything they don't agree with is disgusting. There is no intelligent discussion just bashing. You are what is wrong with this country.
  • #38
    !
    @Illinois-Jeff
    That does make sense. This country's downfall could coencide with my birth. I just assumed it was Reagan, but now I see that it must be me. Glad you pointed that out.
  • #57
    !
    @Illinois-Jeff

    Adventures in Irony - "There is no intelligent discussion just bashing. You are what is wrong with this country"
  • R Load more replies

  • #157
    !
    The point of this post and how it relates to the article? A man who runs a forensics research company and gets government and law enforcement jobs just fired someone for political affiliation. He's gutless and denying it now, but that's because most people who run their mouths are just that, people who run their mouths. His business is dependent in a large part on money provided by agencies that use taxpayer dollars. He can run it how he sees fit and hire who he wants to. He wants to discriminate against someone because of political affiliation then it's time to yank any business he gets from taxpayers.
  • #183
    !
    Is Obama the root of all evil or just the scapegoat so you can try to duck responsibility for the consequences of the Bush 43 presidency?

    Teabaggers are so silly. If it were fify years ago, Obama would be a moderate Republican, and teabaggers would be called right-wing extremists by Barry Goldwater.
  • #5
    !
    What a surprise it must have been to those voters to realize that there is a cost to Obamacare !! Guess they just expected everyone else to pay for it,
  • #6
    !
    Except for one thing Ashstop if you read the entire article. the owner only had 9 employees. He didn't have to pay into Obamacare. Those employees will win in court due to his big mouth. He admitted publicly to firing them for an expense that doesn't exist. They'll win.
  • #8
    !
    @Ashstop He wasn't subject to obamacare. That is not acceptable. He took two people's jobs based on "you just knew they were Obama supporters" and put them on the streets for their SUPPOSED political affiliations. Then bragged about it. He will lose. And he should. I wouldn't support him firing two people for supporting Romney if the situation were reversed. Man you're some kind of seriously biased.
  • R Load more replies

  • #3
    !
    And so it begins. You think for a second that those fired aren't going to take him to court? Just what we need. More litigation and in the end armed insurrection. And you right wingers need to start thinking this through. You abuse those "sissy lefties" enough they'll get guns too.
  • #27
    !
    Give us a break please.
    Are you suggesting the left isn't armed?
    This employer also stated there were other issues that factored into these employees' release.
  • #35
    !
    @Penn1699 He publicly stated that Obamacare and their support for Obama was the primary reason. I have experience with at will termination. You can terminate without cause with at will. Once you establish a cause you lose that right to terminate without cause because you have established an identifiable cause of your own doing and therefore cause becomes a legal factor. Case in point. A man at a newspaper was accused of trying to kiss a 16 year old. The Newspaper fired him stating he was in violation of sexual predator laws. They did not inform the police nor did they investigate the case. He filed against the paper and ultimately got a settlement of nearly half a million dollars. In an at will state. Had they of simply fired him without stating cause they would not be liable. Once you state cause then at will become moot and cause become relevant. His stating "other causes" does not apply either way. His stating that he was firing for supporting Obama does not apply in Utah. His stating he is firing for expenses he is not actually subject to is cause for examination. He will lose.
  • #40
    !
    I'm sure this clown wouldn't be broadcasting for all to hear w/o checking all legalities. A SLC judge will probably say " boys" it's dumb to talk politics at work when a racist signs the paycheck ( sp of Obama care no error)
  • #43
    !
    @martydotcom He admitted he didn't know the legalities. I don't think the workers will get it out Utah but I think a smart lawyer can get it to federal appeals and prevail.
  • R Load more replies

  • #86
    !
    To all my conservative friends" on this site who are applauding Terry Lee's actions: I'm going toss these words back at you all the next time any of you spew your BS about how liberals are hateful people.

    You're applauding a bully who fired two people (in this economy!) because he thought they might be Obama supporters. He's a racist (he's the one who deliberately spelled it "Obongocare" and that IS racist). He did this ONLY for the publicity - hey, it worked for the juice bar, didn't it?

    The ACA won't even affect him since he has only nine employees (seven now), so the only reasons for his actions are pure hubris and self-aggrandizement. And you think this guy is a folk hero because he's sticking it to what you've decided are deserving Obama supporters, when even HE admits he doesn't know that with any certainty. Would this be okay if he were a liberal and fired you for being a conservative? No, it wouldn't. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
  • #115
    !
    @Denizen_Kate I know you don't see it Kate coming from the far left like I do but both sides have gone completely overboard. It just infuriated me that night when the site went ballistic over calling someone "sweetie". It's like EVERYTHING in this country that is said or done is going to be held accountable by one side or the other. My neighbor whom I've known for many many years got all irate because someone's dog crapped on his yard and asked me if it was my dogs. I have two little dogs, the largest of which is 12 lbs. That dog doo was from a HUGE dog. But he was looking for a fight because he's stressed out all the time these days. Welcome to the Jungle. I just long for a time when I could make a fool of myself without some side or the other making a federal case of it.
  • #18
    !
    With the exception of California, New York, Connecticut, Colorado and Mississippi
    they are the only states that have additional laws prohibiting firings based on political affiliation. Looks like the Obama supporters must reap what they sowed. Dese chickens have come home to roost.
  • #73
    !
    No one should ever be fired for their political views. In fact, politics is one of two subjects that one should never discuss in the workplace. The fact is, this guy is a bully. Yes, it's his business, but what he did was spiteful and mean, I don't care what your politics are. He may have a legal right, but do you really think this is okay? What if it were you, and your boss fired you because he or she doesn't like conservatives? Would that be okay?
  • #101
    !
    @Denizen_Kate Like it or not, the owner of the business broke no law. Bully is the new word of the PC crowd when they don't like something.Oh yes, and racist which will never go out of style.
  • #109
    !
    @ST_Louie_Sue - Answer the question: would it be okay if your boss fired you just because of your political views? Would that boss not be a bully in your opinion? I never said he broke the law (although that's arguable), but come on! It's easy for you to sit comfy in your home and talk about these two people with expressions like "chickens have come home to roost" but you could at least PRETEND to have some human compassion for two people who are now out of work because their bully of a boss thought they were probably Obama supporters. As to the racist remark, Terry Lee is the one who called it "Obongocare" and like it or not, that IS a racist remark.
  • R Load more replies

  • #15
    !
    First off, it sounds like Utah is an "employement at will" state so the owner was within his rights. Secondly, he (the owner) states there where other reasons for the termination. I would imangine he's documented these reasons. It may be smarter for these two employees to move on rather than fight it and having their performance subjecxt to public review.
  • #125
    !
    Exactly why people like me are trying to change the country, thete was a time he could avoid hiring or justify firing on the basis of race or sex, it sounds like he had a legal basis, still I hope these guys sue him and it cost hundreds of thousands in legal fees to defnd. Even if he wins, it'll cost him.
  • #126
    !
    @PoliticalSpice We all have our own biases and you can probably get away with them in your hiring if you're halfway cautious. But if you do hire them you better have your ducks lined up these days when you fire them in California.
  • #129
    !
    @jessejaymes California law is much more protective of employees then other states. I think this guy may win if sued, but if a sypathetic lawyer decided to give it a try, even if the guy who fired them wins, je'll have legal fees of thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of dollars in cost. If i lived in utah i'd that the case for free just to cost this guy a fortune.
  • #133
    !
    @PoliticalSpice That's what I'm thinking. A good attorney can make this even bigger nationally. Can you imagine a well known attorney with a following who takes this pro bono and works it for all the last leaves to overturn. He could have a field day with this. And get a good settlement. Guy has to have insurance for this kind of work.
  • #155
    !
    First off, his business if a forensics research facility. Guess who pays most of his bills? Secondly, as is par for the course and this article fails to mention, your great champion against the evil liberal is backpeddling and saying now he fired them for poor performance and the obama thing was just a tongue in cheek joke. Why do you ask? Well it's certainly true in this country you can pretty well fire anyone for anything at any time. It's the way it goes. But now he's gone gutless and into bitch mode.He's going into CYA mentality because he realizes his actions may have consequences for his business and people might actually listen to him run his mouth and not agree with him.
    He wants to run a foresenics business and fire people over political affiliations? Fine, no more work on the taxpayers dime. It's that simple. End of discussion.
  • R Load more replies

  • #58
    !
    I guess I am not reading something right.It says if you mare a company of over fifty people you must do obamacare, he had nine. So he really did'nt have to fire them. Other than for spite.
  • #92
    !
    You're reading comprehension skills are intact, Annie. Not only does the ACA not affect him, he admitted he didn't even know for sure that these two were Obama supporters, he just THOUGHT they probably were. He's a bully and did this for publicity.
  • #54
    !
    Mr. Lee. You're a jerk. Taking someone's livelihood away because they don't agree with you. You make me sick. You make our country sick. You're sick jerk.
  • #34
    !
    Terry Lee has the right to be a moron.....I'm not so concerned about the probable litigation.....but I do see welfare in Mr Lee's future....ggrrr, more tax dollars....
  • #33
    !
    So he fires two non performers and all of a sudden he's the subject of another one of Politix's efforts to stir up hatred against conservatives.
    Dear Politix: the hatred you are fomenting against conservatives is just as evil as hatred of blacks and homosexuals.
  • #80
    !
    He's a conservative. He fired them because they aren't. He even admitted that. The "low performance" bit was thrown in as an afterthought. He's a bully. Politix isn't fomenting hatred against conservatives, but men like Terry Lee are doing a really good job of it.
  • #161
    !
    @Denizen_Kate I disagree. These days employers must have an ironclad case against a worker in order to avoid a lawsuit. The man was simply pulling a few chains with his snarky Obama comments, which are far less derogatory than the comments one sees on this forum about conservatives. I do believe Politix and the Democrat party are fomenting hatred against conservatives and it is no different than the hate they *claim* to be 'exposing'.
  • #28
    !
    First of all this dude only had nine employees he was not even affected by the ACA. SECONDLY HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY REALLY VOTED FOR OBAMA SINCE VOTING IS ANONYMOUS. You know the sad reality of this whole situation is in Robiny would've gotten office and things would have gotten worse all the conservatives would have been okay what whatever.
  • #12
    !
    I'm overjoyed for the two (2) fired employees. Now, they can use the celebrity provided for them by their ex-arsehole boss to field better employment offers elsewhere.
  • #130
    !
    @Cheenoguy I doubt they win win that in a state like utah it may not even be a cause of action, in most places you can be fired for a good reason, bad reason or no teason at all unless you are under contract or unless it is discrimination based on race, sex, religion or ethnicity/nationality.

    Still I hope they sue, even if he wins it could cost him thousands, tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands in attorney fees to defend.
  • #139
    !
    @PoliticalSpice --You really need to take a 'beginner class' in English composition(I doubt they win win? that in a state--- Your sentence doesn't make any sense! You group all your thoughts together and your lack of punctuation stinks. Please consider going to first grade with your child; you might learn something. Your ignorance is showing.
    You might want to think about changing "PoliticalSpice' to 'Clueless'.
  • #141
    !
    @Veronika I just do not think this site is worth correcting typos, grammar or spelling. I do this for fun. I actually have a professional degree. So I could care less what a rude idiot thinks.
  • #142
    !
    @PoliticalSpice

    Legal or not I don't believe that anyone can read this topic and not see how wrong it is. It is because I value my own beliefs that I am willing to tolerate even those beliefs that I don't agree with.
  • R Load more replies

  • #89
    !
    I think this guy is in trouble. He claimed his main reason to fire was because on Obamacare. But Obamacare doesn't apply to him. It's for employers with at least 50 employees. Yes he said the were the lowest performers. But I think by him putting so much emphasis on Obamacare, I smell a civil suit.
  • #55
    !
    This is only the start. Just wait to see how many employees small businesses shed when the full force of Obamacare kicks in. It is a jobs-killing program like so many other Obama initiatives.
  • #198
    !
    In this country we expect employers to offer health insurance plans to their employees. That's the only available, affordable means to acquiring health insurance and access to the full health care services. If you don't like this free market system the work to change it to something else. No one before Obama has been successful in attempting to bring about the change so badly needed in this country where we pay twice per capita for a health care system which ranks 37th in the world. To many people are financially shut out of our health care system for economic reasons when access is dependent on ability to pay or who you happen to be employed by.
  • #243
    !
    @Russell797 Just wait until you see the full effects of what Obamacare has done. There will not be more people covered, there will be less, and it will cost more. And...the biggest single problem for individuals who do have health care will be finding a doctor when you want one, even if you are willing and able to pay. Don't take my word for it, wait and see.
  • #244
    !
    @Grubby If you believe all those dire outcomes will come to pass, and if you also believe as I do that our unique style of health care is terribly flawed, then why don't we work together to find solutions? The Republicans have over the years done nothing but obstruct any and all attempts to better the health care system. I don't like Obama care either, I want single payer absent any insurance companies like every other civilized country in the world has. We have great health care technology together with inadequate access to it. Why can't we fix that?
  • #246
    !
    @Russell797 The "fix" used by other countries involves structured Doctor's salaries, which limits the number of people who want to be Doctors, and severe limits on usage. In America, we want the very best access to the latest technology for as long as we can be kept alive. At least most of us do. In other countries, an 80 year old with a severe medical condition would receive care that the government feels is commensurate with the length of life expected beyond that time. When Obamacare critics talked about the "Death Panels", that is because in the government medical systems run by the Socialist Countries that is exactly what they are. The bureaucrats decide if you will receive care or be allowed to die. Do you think that will go over in this country? We cannot limit the Doctor salaries, therefore limiting the number of Doctors, unless we also ration the care. By the way, many folks with financial means from Europe and Asia and Canada come to the US for care if denied by their own government based on age or infirmity.
  • #249
    !
    @Grubby What you leave out in your argument is the fact that in the U.S. the insurance companies determine what conditions and treatments they will cover for you. Rather than your welfare, their main concern is the bottom line. This point is not even arguable, because it has happened to me. I was denied the better treatment center, as determined by my primary care doctor, by my insurance because they don't do "business" with that facility. So I had to settle for something less.

    We have the best medical technology in the world, but our own people lack access to it. Of course, if money is no object to you, then neither insurance companies nor the government will prevent you from accessing the best options available. The decision is made by who pays the bills.
  • R Load more replies

  • #41
    !
    Some 60% of Americans work for "small companies"
    Many of those companies will have to let people go, just to avoid having to provide "Obamacare" for their employee's.
    This is just the begining people.
    Expect to see a lot more of this.
  • #137
    !
    It depends on what you define as small businesses or companies. Those companies that have less than 50 employees do not have to provide health care to their employees. In fact those companies that have less than 15 workers do not have to abide by Title VII laws.
  • #39
    !
    well They were Obama supporters!!! aka Socialists
    Gotta let that kind of people go. They were most likely lazy and costing the company $$ anyway.
  • R Load more comments...
Post