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    Suing people in a public court is not a Christian practice. So by taking a matter to court subjects it to the laws of the court, and the state law says that the unborn are not people with rights. Had the matter been brought to the church elders it would have been an entirely different outcome.
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    I have to differ with you on this one. I knew a young lady who was the Queen of the Demolay chapter in St Louis MO about 1970. It was BEFORE Roe v Wade. She became pregnant and wanted an abortion. Although it was illegal, her beloved Catholic Church flew her to New York where she could get one all expenses paid. Sounds like the same outcome, different circumstances.
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    I have a bit of information to contribute. I was the Director of Quality Resources at that hospital, and I know the OB GYN involved. St. Thomas More is the only hospital in that county, the next nearest about 40 minutes away. Since it's the only hospital it necessarily serves a large number of non Catholics.

    I don't know if the plaintiff in this case is Catholic, but it shouldn't matter: why would anyone ask the Church to adjudicate a case of negligence by a Church owned hospital? As we see with the ongoing conspiracy to shield pedophile priests, the Church is not above acting in its own interests no matter the cost to the individual.
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    @DARSB

    The pedophile priest is a good example. Most people believe that he was being protected, I don't believe that was the case.
    When a matter is brought to the church it is delt with by church law. Amnesty and Anonymity does not negate penance.
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    @hwyangel

    the catholic church knowingly moved pedophiles from parishes where people were complaining about their molestation of kids to other, unknowing parishes. how in the world is that not covering uyp thier activities? w;hy did they not contact the proper authorities to have those priests prosecuted for the crimes they knew they commited?
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    "People" anywhere else, until it might cost them some money. This is IT, folks; it shows these cults for what they REALLY are. There's nothing caring or devoted or even remotely "pious" about their positions.
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    This is a clear case of the legal team telling the church to hide behind the law instead of taking one on the chin for its values.
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    The Catholic Church should denounce and should separate this so called hospital from ANYTHING connected to the church
    John the Baptist was 6 months in the woumb when Mary approached and as read in the Holy Bible, John lept inside his mother because he could sense the presence of Jesus in Mary's woumb and HE was only there for a few hours!
    The Bible gives us all answers..........not just part of them, and we CAN NOT pick and choose which ones we believe.
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    When Jesus was asked if Jews should still pay taxes and obey Cesaer's laws, he answered: "Render unto Cesaer that which is Cesaer's." Therefore, technically, the Catholic Church is following the teachings of their god by following the laws of the land.

    However, the hopeless cynic in me can't help but be suspicious due to the nature of the case. The hospital, Catholic or not, was at fault. They're just trying to get off on a technicality just like any other guilt felon would. So is it right? Are they following their god's teachings? Are they dodging? One could argue any side and still come to a dead heat with the other.
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    I'm a Catholic and I agree with you on this. That why I voted "it's complicated."

    The man is suing over the state law, which seems to take precedent in this case.

    That being said, at 7 months, those twins could have survived if the doctor had gotten there in time. Babies as early as 21 weeks have survived; these were at 28 weeks, so I am leaning toward the father's case on this.
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    laws of the lands,too bad they pick and chose which laws, when it is for their pocket they support it,if taking form their pocket they don't care about the law of the land.
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    Those who control religious cults aren't concerned about morality. They're concerned about money and power, and anything that serves that end (or is self-serving toward that end) is acceptable to the cult.
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    " A Colorado man is suing a Catholic hospital"
    In other words "the Colorado man" took the matter to the state court, not the church. And according to the state laws, not the church, the unborn are not people with rights.
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    @hwyangel It's a fetus if you don't want it- a baby if you do. I wish people would understand that. It's a way to rationalize with some people.
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    @drpeeper

    Fetus: The term used to describe a developing human infant from approximately the third month of pregnancy until delivery. The term embryo is used prior to the third month.
    The point was that the matter taken to court was subject to the laws of that court.
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    @hwyangel but the church is hiding behind the state law to save money. Which is obviously more important to them than their doctrine. Imagine that?
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    Let's not hear any more talk about resisting Obamacare because it forces birth control services on Catholic institutions.
    That what I like about this country though, even for the church, when it comes right down to it, business is business.

    Will the Muslim world please take note.
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    Only on those Catholic institutions playing in the real world. if they open a business to the public, they have to play by real world rules. they can do as they wish in their gov't subsidized churches...
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    @woodtick57
    Speaking of which, why are all the activities of a church exempt from taxation, and not just the sanctuary where worship takes place?
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    @Denizen_Kate
    There are times when the church doctrine has to bend to the reality of the day. If it can't, it becomes an impediment to the functioning of society.
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    It would take a godly amount of courage and faith for a person with any convictions to not be hypocritical in today's world. For decades, the church has been working to get Colorado to recognize unborn children as people. Yet, given this circumstance, the same people who refuse to recognize these children as people are asking the catholic church to fall on their own sword. Hypocritical indeed. Yet, from standardless people the desire to cast down any standard continues to be evident.

    Yes, the catholic church is being hypocritical. Even going to court over this lawsuit is contrary to the gospel they preach. The example is high and we are just people, but what is it to you?
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    Maybe if colorado had a different view on abortion, then the church might have a different view on the twin. The church is just trying to get Colorado to say that the twins had rights. Then the church will say didn't all those aborted kids have rights too. People need to wake up. If NASA went to Saturn and found a fetus laying on the ground, NASA would say they found life on Saturn. Strange that after and abortion when they throw the fetus in the garbage can, it has no effect on anyone being able to sleep at night.
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    Being raised Roman Catholic. My grandmother is rolling in her grave, right now. Total hypocrisy. But, I guess it's still a business. Hummm....
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    As usual the religious are high principled on when it suits them. As soon as it benefits them they will abandon there so called strongly held beliefs. A fetus should always be considered a person. Only the person carrying said fetus should any say otherwise.
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    That doctor should be liable. But let me ask this question concerning Colorodo law. If a drunk driver hits a pregnant woman and kills her and the child, is he to only be charged with one manslaughter?
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    In my opinion it's two, I know it's seems duplicitous for a fetus to have 2 possible standings, but it's the way it has to be. Only the Mother can decide otherwise and only for a short period of time.
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    What hypocrites pro abortion fanatics are. They are the idiots who made laws stating an unborn child is not a person. The catholic church is just using the ludicrous laws that Liberals make to stop people from suing over a death. Catholics do not agree with the Lefts ludicrous claims that a Baby is not alive until birth. They are protecting themselves from stupid law suits. Hypocrite Liberals will always play both sides of the fence. Their goal is to demonize all people of faith. They are the arrogant freaks who actually force us all to pay for other's abortions.
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    There is a separation of church and state in this country, so when a hospital is sued for malpractice in our legal system, then it is appropriate for them to use accepted legal conventions to defend themselves, regardless of their theological associations.
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