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    It's not either/or. We can stop tax breaks to the oil companies and still not do stupid things like Solyandra.
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    @jessejaymes That's true. But I would much rather that tax breaks go into things that may benefit our country than go into the pockets of greedy multinational oil companies making record profits.
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    @PNWest We don't need to give money on speculation on wind. There is proven companies already. Click on the link I posted below.
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    Oh yeah ... tax breaks for oil companies (legitimate profit made producing an actual product that is vital) is far worse than pissing taxpayer money away on companies who just embezzle it and can't compete with China when it comes to labor cost! Yeah ... I can see the logic there ... lol!
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    @jessejaymes Only problem with Solyandra was Chinese gov financed a 50% cost reduction in home grown product to destroy the competition. Politics kicked in we couldn't support Soylyandra long enough to fight susidy in court. GOP killed additions funding, This was a moster Bigbwin for Chinese who now have dominant market share and a round won by the GOP ,hydrocarbon/ oil/gas - anti stimulus spending for the Obama haters!!! We lost jobs The admin got caught with their pants down and got their asses kicked in. Chinese product now dominates marker even after 4 price increases ( now thei paneled are selling price is higher than at Solyandra's anticipated retail price y
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    You know govt support should be for those who can show their product actually works before forking over the money. I support green energy but countries all over the world are doing this. We don't need to be financing "research" on wind energy for example. It's a known commodity. Either put up or shut up. Stop giving money for your buddies to steal. BOTH parties.

    Re-Elect NOBODY 2014
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    Give teh tax breaks to the people that buy the products, not the people that produce them. we know this method works...
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    @stepped_in_it This doesn't take long to read people. Outside of palm springs are over 3,000 windmills that supply the entire city and surrounding area with electricity. Equal to a nuclear power plant output. There was no excuse for giving that money to Solyandra for "start up". there are companies In this country already who know what the hell they are doing with wind.

    http://www.southpoint.com/states/ca/windmills...
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    @woodtick57 You may be right, I don't recall but my point remains the same. All over the world countries are doing great things with wind. Why are we not exploiting wind all over the great plains? T, Boone Pickens who is a conservative and who is an oil man has been trying for years to get plains states into wind and they won't do it. Why isn't the govt pushing proven green technology before wasting 500 million on a maybe? I could see it in prosperous times. But when times are hard and you're doing "stimulus" why not go with what you know works and is under produced?
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    I think wind and solar energy could be a great advantage; but after all this time and money, shouldn't we be a lot further along with this? There is a factory here that makes the turbine portions of the windmills. I would hate to see all these people lose their jobs. The money and planning has been messed up or corrupted in some way. It needs an investigation! Our country being what it is should have been at the forefront of these energy sources, instead money is going down the drain and a only a very tiny portion of our energy is coming from these sources.
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    The subsidies can foster innovation and even help the economy. But they must be monitored closely. In the end, if it don't create jobs, bring back tax revenues, or help find energy, what's the point?[on a side note] One thing I love about Florida is how the mob tends to behave itself because we are all armed. Yes!!!
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    The mafia doesn't stand a chance against Obama's cronies in milking the government for money!
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    Obama will continue to dole out billions to bad business models in the name of "Green", enriching his buddies, all of whom know that they are pursuing only the subsidy. The practicality of green energy is still decades away.
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    If you are the "KING'S" buddies you can make good money. Get 5million dollars, kick back 2 million file bankruptcy keep 3 million. Nor bad for days screwing the tax payers. Wait don't tell the "Banner" about theMafia's insurance plan or he will want a cut
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    Well if i ever saw a mafia man it would be Al Gore, the king pin of the global warming scam. Obama, Pelosi and Reid look like a crime family.
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    In Italy, how do you tell the difference between the mafia and the government? Seriously. Former Prime Minister Berlusconi started to run for office after he was sentenced to prison.
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    small potatoes compared to multinational corporations. the Mayor of NYC took the MSW contract away from the mob and gave it to Waste Management Inc. i guess the WMI lawyers sent the mob goons running like scared little girl scouts, to quote the mayor...
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    Did anyone notice in the article below this one that the picture of Joe Biden makes him look like a mafia don?
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    Instead of putting money into "development" of renewable energy, the money should go to installing solar panels on govt buildings in sunny areas. By using already tested technology and proving jobs to increase the use of renewable energy, govt can reduce future energy bills that would drain tax money and at tge same time refude the amount aof fossil fuel burned to generate energy...
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    HMMM.....I thought we had already experienced this here in the states! Wasn't that a 500+ million loan to....now what was their name....oh yeah..... Solyndra. And weren't there others.
    Ok, new game.
    Let's play name that "green" loan from the stimulus!
    I already got Solyndra......next!
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    is it better to have China lead the world in the next centuries power sources? they are leading the world in solar and wind. why shouldn't the US be leading them? I'd rather have GE solar panels on my house but i have Mitsubishi's.(Yes, i know that 's a japanese firm...)
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    @woodtick57 Agreed, but wouldn't it be better to fund a producing manufacturer as opposed to a researching manufacturer? Design the product, make it work, refine your production.....then ask for assistance!
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    @stepped_in_it

    Yes. We should fund research, like we have in so many other fields we rule in.

    i think giving the tax breaks to consumers of the goods is a better way to go...
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    technological innovation via research is the key to a sustainable future, especially in the energy field, not the status quo of those who care less about the environment and social justice and who tries and block anything that may threaten their profits...they are the ones who don't want anything to change, they won't just give up this power, they are a hindrance for the good of all humanity, they will drag us all down into oblivion...how could someone not want clean and sustainable energy?
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