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    There shouldn't have to be a discussion about this, but since the teabagger conservatives have taken over so many state legislatures, it has become necessary.

    'Doing the right thing' is not in their vocabulary or thought processes.

    If nobody intervened, it wouldn't be long before handicapped persons would be warehoused in poorly run and underfunded institutional facilities.
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    You mean concentration camps like the NAZI's under Hitler, if it were up to the right wing republicans an the teabagers thats what we would have now.
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    @Raptor
    I can't deny that there are probably a few of the far far right who would feel comfortable in a National Socialist regime, at least for a little while.
    But I was thinking more of the sort of treatment given to the handicapped in the early part of the last century.
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    Question: How would a student with no legs or in a wheelchair jump over hurdles? Or do a long jump? AND they are doing this while competing against other students with two perfectly good legs? I only ask this to understand how to provide this equality that has been demanded.
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    Presumably, those who CAN walk and run will do so, like the South African in the Olympics. Basketball and volleyball to a lesser extent would also be accessible. Those who can't walk but still have full use of their bodies like me, could wrestle.
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    @Real4WheelDrv

    I've worked with Courage Center since i was young, as my uncle had polio and uses a leg brace. I was the assistant ski coach in Duluth for a few years, and loved to watch the Twin ports Flyers play chair B-ball...

    amazing what anyone can do physically when they want to, and the new generations of prosthetics are truly game changing...
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    @Real4WheelDrv ...and that proves my point. How am I supposed to deploy "equality"? It is almost case by case basis and if I screw up trying to accommodate, then I get sued as would a school district. Disabilities do not affect everyone in the same way and there is no way to develop guidelines. Now I am not saying that you or anyone else should not be allowed to participate but how am I supposed to accommodate (assuming I was an educator or a PE coach or something)?
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    @RobertJHarsh Exactly, it would be a case by case basis. And I'm seeing it already from some posters here. People with disabilities playing FOOTBALL with normal kids, no. There are things that we can't reasonably do. The biggest issue I have is, how is anyone gonna PROVE any discrimination in court. Hell my high school cheated me out of my driver's training because I raised hell over the prom not being handicap accessible, but I'll never be able to PROVE it.
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    I can echo some of the other comments.
    Yeah, it's the disability that holds the student back. If a disabled student is able to make the cut and make the team, he/she should have a place on the team.
    But many schools have already had to cut other classes and programs, usually music, art, to accomodate sports. Some schools have had to eliminate some boys' sports to make way for girls' athletics. With already strained budgets, there isn't enough to pay Paul without robbing Peter.
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    I have a friend who is certifiably disabled. She walks with leg braces and has very little function of her right leg due to her spina bifida. If it were not for lacrosse, she would probably be in a wheelchair. However, she is a college athlete and bound for a bright future in physics.

    Sports are not just a game. They are character building. They teach teamwork, ethics, and adversity. People form lifelong friendships and have wonderful memories because of them.

    Now tell a disabled kid they can't play. If you can do it to their face, you are a heartless ass. Disabled kids often need more self-esteem building and feel like they can't or shouldn't try out. I say if they can make programs to encourage more kids to play, then great. There is so much more to sports than it just being a game.

    Title IX let me play college ball. I hope this helps out more people like my friend mentioned above.
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    I am sick & tired of the disabled being discriminated against! Give them a chance! I am very proud of your friend!!!!
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    I come from a small country community, there was boy in my class that had Down Syndrome, sweetest thing on the face of the earth. He desperately wanted to play football (this is Texas), he trained and trained and trained with a couple of other boys, and finally made the cut. It was the proudest day of his life to that point. It wasn't modified, he tried his damnest, the other teams played against him, held nothing back, and he broke his arm, he sat on the sidelines the rest of the season. No suits were filed, nothing was "given" to him. In my experience, those with disabilities just want to be like the rest of us. If it is fiscally possible, allow the children to play.
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    So let me get this straight. Music and arts- bad, because they cost too much and what good are they anyway? One student cant walk, but lets spend $ for a special program, and special access and gear, that gives rudolph the right to partake in reindeer games?
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    As a former little league coach I had to let all players have equal playing time, parents still expected us to win with my best players sitting in the dugout, this nobody loses, nobody fails, mentality is so screwed up! It's life!!! When the get out of school they are going to expect the NFL to put them on the field, Apple to hire them at high level jobs because its fair!
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    I agree. My disabled son loves special Olympics, and I can't imagine it being "fair" for anyone to participate.
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    This is just another smoke screen so people wont talk about the national dethat has has almost doubled in the past 4 years, that our "leaders" are lying to us about Benghazi, and many other examples of the current administrations incompetence.
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    @woodtick57 Look, I know they were not sitting in a smokey room brainstorming ideas on how they can cover up their incompetence, but I do think they release statements like this at oppurtunistic times to take peoples attention away from other things that are going on. Another example is Patraeus doing away the restriction on women in frontline combat during the same week Hilary testifying before congress.
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    @Jack-Black

    Patraeus? if you still think there is something to cover up in Benghazi, i would suggest the heavy duty brand of tinfoil...
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    @woodtick57 If you dont believe that this administration dropped the ball in Benghazi and that they still trying to cover it up then you might want to consult a proctologist to have your head removed.
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    While in theory this is the right thing to do, in reality what will happen is schools will cut back on non revenue producing sports so they don't have to offer the same thing in a parallel disability sport and the nation of kids will get more and more obese. I read about this when it was first announced and the thought crosses my mind that in the sport of football there is no way a team can accommodate a wheelchair bound kid. So they have to now create an alternative football game. And if they don't play "under the lights" some will go to court to force them to do so and probably win. Now you turn on the lights and spend thousands of dollars for the parents of 22 kids to watch their kids play football. This is just not going to turn out well.
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    This is simply a ploy to force school districts to implement very expensive alternative "special " needs sports leagues...or end the "regular"ones.
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    @talkenhed Thanks for the laugh. I suppose the moderators will take the comment down but it was very clever.
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    @bsking It fit in with my twisted sense of humor though. I do hope that you are well and having a good day. We've got another crisp sunny day out in central Oregon with snow on the way this afternoon according to the forecast.
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    Wow they really are stretching that "Leave no child behind." This is completely ridiculous. I can't even believe I'm going to begin to answer such nonsense. Why don't they cut the baloney and say that they are cutting more funds out of schools? No, instead pyscho babble. There is no way disable kids will be able to compete with physically able kids. This is preposterous.
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    School Sports Programs Must Include Students With Disabilities
    as they should, Give these people a chance to partisipate
  • #88
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    I have a special needs child in my home, he is grown now, so I am not trying to stand against them.
    But school sports is not a right, or else there would be no need for try outs and no cutting of players, everyone would make it.
    How exactly would a kid in a wheel chair play on his High School football team?
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    If you can "accommodate" those with special needs without changing the rules of the game then I am all for it, but we all know that's not going to happen. There are somethings in life that some CAN DO and others CAN NOT! I believe we are sending the wrong message to our children these day example "everyones a winner, everyone gets a trophy, everyone gets a turn, nobody needs to keep score". That's all a bunch of bullshit! Life is hard and its not fair to anyone not just those with physical and mental disabilities.
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    When did competitive sports get such a grip on local schools to the point where the federal Sec of Ed is declaring sports participation a civil right? IMO, public schools have taken on far too many responsibilities unrelated to their core function. If sports are so necessary for youth development (and yes, there is some value in them), then let's require the NFL, NBA, MLB et al to set up, fund, and be responsible for youth sports programs across the country.
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    They should be given any oppertunities possible to lift their spirits and be allowed to feel useful and relavent in society. I voted that it was a good idea but not a right, but now that I think about it I realize I voted wrong. The ADA protects them in other aspects in life, this should be no different, and rightfully so.
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    I am strictly all for this! I am volunteer in assisting Special Olympics and matter of fact, I participated in Polar Bear Plunging in cold water for fundraising in Special Olympics. Yes, school sports should be required to include students with disabilities. I am member of the Roman Catholic Men Group,Knights of Columbus, who stand strong on this issue. Matter of fact, I am asking to ban the "R" word which I consider very derogatory.
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