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    Give them five years to get citizenship and after than anyone in the USA found not to have become a citizen or fully immersed in the process is deported upon threat of immediate execution if they return. PERIOD. Lock down that damn border. FINALLY. Why do we have more than 250,000 troops outside the U.S. and do not lock down that border is beyond me.
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    "Why do we have more than 250,000 troops outside the U.S. and do not lock down that border is beyond me."
    Because apparently protecting Israel's interests and Europe's interests are more important.
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    @Fishbone345 We have more than 20,000 in Korea and another 120,000 in Afghanistan. Neither of which have anything to do with Israel or Europe.
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    @jessejaymes I know where they are jess, I think you are missing my point. I was talking about the bases we have across the globe. I think you know better than to think I don't want them home where they should be. I've spoken on the issue more than once. How many are at bases in the UK? How many are at bases in Germany? How many are stationed on aircraft carrier flotilla's in the Persian Gulf?
    I think they should be home protecting our pitiful, sieve-like borders too.
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    @Fishbone345 Well I do understand that. We have 46,000 in Germany. to what purpose one has to question.
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    @jessejaymes It dates back to the Cold War. We left them there in bases in Germany after WWII to establish a presence just in case Stalin got any big ideas. You can thank Patton for that one, he actually wanted to continue on through Berlin and make his way to Moscow. His idea being they would be next, and he was technically right even if a bit loony.
    Why we still have continued presence is likely to establish air power to that region and the Middle East if need be. The problem is, we overstayed our welcome, which leads to blowback, which leads to terrorism. But, don't try telling that to someone on the Right. Terrorists attacked the WTC's because they are jealous of our lifestyle. Right.
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    We are a nation of immigrants. Anyone here has roots in Europe, Africa, and Asia. My mother is an immigrant and my father is second-generation. If we forget where we come from, we have forgotten what principles we are founded on. Immigration reform, if it gives willing, law abiding, hard workers the opportunity to pursue a better life, is an excellent thing.
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    My ancestors came here legally through Ellis Island. Not across a border illegally. There is a difference to my mind.
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    We owe gratitude to those taking low paying jobs americans don't want. Without them food prices would easily double. They harvest our food, clean our poultry, butcher our meat and help ship and pack those foods. The cast majority are decent hard working folks who deserve to be legalized and allowed to be citizens if they want...
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    @jessejaymes Maybe, but illegals take jobs that most don't want - the cheap jobs. And remember, the first immigrants were illegal. They just didn't care so they took.
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    @PoliticalSpice You know once they are legallized those farm jobs won't be low paying anymore. Neither will the construction labor jobs.
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    @falco_alba The only difference is the entitlement incentives. Without the promise of free shit on the tax payer's dollar immigration would be a good thing.
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    @Fishbone345 Could be a sign of things to come. We'll have to see how they are treated by the rest of the pack.
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    @Fishbone345 I hope so. That will make it easier for the dems in 2014 and 2016. I don't think that the GOP is going to willingly go back to sanity any time soon. We may even see a comeback by Caribou Barbie now that Fox doesn't want her.
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    There are no "illegal" immigrants. There are no borders. You can be an American nobody where you come from as long as you believe in ideals of being an American.
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    @Politicskid No we shouldn't enforce unjust laws. I guess the people who broke the law by hiding fugitive laws were wrong too right?
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    @WattheTyler Oh, so it's a violation of human rights we don't have open borders?

    How about this: Take away all of the liberal social programs and I'll support open borders any day.
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    Both sides republican and democrat would sell this country to the devil to get a few votes, damn the welfare of the people. It is a sorry state of affairs that the politicians are creating for the U.S.A.
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    Do in think the process has become something that it was not intended to do? Yes. It has been financially prohibitive.

    However, that aside, making the process as easy as saying "let me in", is a dangerous proposition.

    Kids are unfortunate victims, but we are a nation of laws and sadly, the laws are not been applied or adjusted for the smallest groups and applied hardest on the largest groups.
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    This is where the politicians have gone against the wishes of the American public because of fear from the ACLU. It would be much easier and save this country millions of dollars if we would pull our troops out of the Arab countries and base them on our borders and cut that foreign aid. Then round up ecery illegal and send them packing. this would create more jobs also. Illegals broke the law to get here, and we do not need anymore law breakers in this country.
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    The only way this should happen is if 1. A fence along the entire southern border is built ( and dont say it can be done, IT CAN) 2. The border is patroled 24 hours per day by troops. 3. If a proposed citizen has a criminal record ( other than being hear illegally) they will be deported. 4. They pay all back taxes. 5. If someone is caught trying to sneak across the border once fence is built they will be barred from any chance in the future to obtain citizenship. 6. Speak English.
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    Fence (or moat)....yes. Clean record....yes. English....yes. Caught after fence built....yes. Border patrol......no. This is the 21st century.....video surveillance is much cheaper and requires less man power. It also doesn't put our men in the line of fire. Pay back taxes....no. This would discourage illegals to come forward and be difficult (at best) to figure how much (their previous wages have been illegal and not reported). IMO
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    @stepped_in_it I agree with a state of the art fence with video surveilance , but we will still need people to gaurd it or it will be pointless. Dont think we would need anymore Patrol agents and maybe we could use gaurd units one weekend a month to supplement the agents on duty. Ok, your right, maybe a back tax would be too hard to figure. How about a flat fee for each person here illegally?
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    So, you're willing to pay tax dollars to "round 'em up" and jail some (or many) and deport the rest? The act of illegal immigration would be , at best, considered a non-violent crime and would only "tax" our already over burdened systems. Please leave my tax dollars out of your "bigot" thinking and pay for it yourself!
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    @stepped_in_it ...Explain that to the thousands waiting to get in LEGALLY. It certainly costs them more than $1500 and they're waiting years. The feds should spend some of their extra efforts in getting those people here before giving amnesty to the border jumpers.
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    @ACTSmom Whatever the "costs" are to legalize the illegal should be placed on them. As for the waiting to get here.....you must first heal up your existing wounds before you go fight a new battle!
    This "pathway" should and better include a way to make this the last one! Seal our borders first and foremost.....but, I have my doubts!
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    @stepped_in_it So everyone who is against illegal immigrants and against rewarding criminal behavior is a "Bigot" lol, the left really has killed that word.
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    @Arumizy Not really. just get you and all your friends to pay the extra taxes required to hunt them down, "corral" them, process them and deport them. With 11 million, ya think $2000 a piece is reasonable? That's 22 billion to deport or maybe keep them around legally and it would be that much a year in extra revenue.....which do you want? Besides, again do you and your buddies want to do the menial jobs that they do?
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    This is just the beginning. Illegal lawbreakers get amnesty now, next step the liberals throw the borders open to overwhelm the country with good, dependent, democratic party voters. It will guarantee our welfare state forever. But it all started bipartisan, so Obama can claim that all of America wanted it.
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    With all of the criminals now serving in DC, what the difference if we let 11 million more in?
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    "In recent years high tech companies have complained that there aren't enough skilled workers in the US". Then why have they been laying off so many skilled American workers and shipping their jobs overseas?
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    There are plenty of qualified American high tech workers. The problem is that there aren't many willing to work for $12/hr. High Tech companies were among the first to learn how to outsource work to India and China. As a country we need to create laws that encourage companies to hire Americans.
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    How about denying any tax breaks for any out of country operations. Deny deductions for business expenses and employees outside the u.s. Slap the same duties on such goods as any other imported goods.
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    Henry Ford said "There is one rule for industrialists and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible." Now that rule has been changed to: "Make the cheapest quality of goods possible to sell at the highest price possible, paying the lowest wages possible." Maybe new American capitalists are richer than Henry Ford, but I think that his brand of capitalism was better for Americans.
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    @PNWest You obviously haven't been to the bay area. Indians dominate cisco and many other tech companies. We ship our engineers in from India regularly. They make decent money too.
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    @Vance1 You and i agree very seldom but we do here. If I can learn to speak Spanish in my own country in about 5-7 years without a single course or tutor, just picked it up, then they can damn well learn English in the 20 or so years many of them have been here.
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    "Part of the American dream Involves English."
    Part of it also involves cash. Like the under the table money they get from people who hire cheap laborers to save money. Enablers are a huge part of why people risk coming here.
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    @Fishbone345 Absolutely. Walmart gets popped every year basically for hiring illegals. If there is no significant penalties for corporations hiring illegals then this who thing is just smoke and mirrors.
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  • #216
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    Just another form of amnesty that has been tried before and FAILED! Any kow towing to the ILLEGAL immigrants is a slap in the face to LEGAL immigrants!
  • #126
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    If we don't secure our borders and then grant amnesty, this problem will NEVER go away. Obviously we did not learn this lesson in the 80's when Reagan granted amnesty. When you reward bad behavior, you will continue to get bad behavior.
  • #121
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    We already have a pathway to citizenship in this country. If their parents had followed it these children wouldn't be living here undocumented.
  • #112
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    we have tried it before and it was said to end the problem,doing it again will show some never learn. look around some of those in office was in on the last one agreed to the rest of the laws that went along with it,swore to up hold in and have never done a thing after the shamnesty.

    how about e-verify and all other forms of enforcement for starters,fraud of all sorts going on now showing support for illegal aliens is a full support for fraud, the new program from obama does even care what they did as long as they go sign up for his 2 year ride

    what is wrong with all doing like they agreed to in 86,they are the reason we see what we see. without backing from those in office no employer would get away with having illegal workers.
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    Let's see... they broke the law so that makes them criminals. The usual punishment for a foreign national is deportation unless the crime is major. We should deport everyone who is here illegally and revoke citizenship for all children born to foreign nationals who were here illegally. So just how much tax have they paid and how much should have been collected? How many of our tax dollars have been spend on medical care and school for those who are not entitled to it? I am second generation born here and every last one of my ancestors came here legally. They all got jobs, learned the language, paid taxes and voted.

    Voted? That's right people, your tax dollars are really buying votes. It's that simple.
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