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    Stop it, fer cryin' out loud. You got Sunday school, use it to teach your propoganda. The bloomin' bible is not science. It's a collection of stories.
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    How about we get back to teaching things in primary education that we DO know. Evolution and Creationism have no business in primary education. Our stinking kids are lagging light years behind the rest of the "educated world" and a good amount can't even read or write to 10th grade level and yet we waste time teaching theories. That crap belongs in college.
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    a society of morons is much easier to control than an educated and informed society, I think it's the goal in general for those who seek to keep that power...
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    Evolution is such an importing underlying principle that I think kids should get it by 6th grade science class. It affects every field of biological science, for instance.
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    @Zazziness I don't agree. Evolution is not a proven science. And it is divisive. I see this as the same thing as the 10 commandments in schools. Let one in you have to let them all in. Our schools today are social teaching while ignoring the basics fundamentals of reading and writing. We need to stop trying to be all things to all people in primary education to young minds and get back to competing with the rest of the first world and start turning out some kids that can actually spell and read. Evolution or creationism can be taught to those inquiring minds that want to take it in college. Neither should be forced on anyone.
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    HMMM.....I can see it now. 250 days of class to explain Evolution......6 days to explain Creationism. I mean, just how long does it take to explain creationism...."poof, there we are"
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    Teach them both as a "theory" and let the parents decide what they want their children to believe...problem solved, shut up and move on.
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    So, can we include The Great Spaghetti Monster in this? Under all that qualifies as religion His Noodly Appendage meets the criteria. Fair is fair, right?
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    Main problem with that is that Intelligent Design is not a theory. It is a hypothesis. A scientific theory must be testable in a consistent and repeatable manner.

    Intelligent Design is an unverified, unverifiable hypothesis. In short, it is not science. Keep it at home, in church or in some other religious setting where it belongs. It has no place in a Science class.
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    It's pretty clear that the gentleman from Montana doesn't know anything about science.

    I would hope that his constituents would take note of this at the next election.

    It's unevolved morons like this that will turn American exceptionalism into exceptional ignorance and superstition.
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    Harold, no worries man, Obama has already started the steady decline from American exceptionalism to American mediocrity and low expectations. Name calling is usually meant at a conversation stopper, not invitation to debate. See, people DO have different opinions, no one called you stupid or an unevolved moron for YOUR opinion. You instead went right to Rule #5 of Rules for Radicals.
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    @Tralee
    If you want to see decline, fill the government with fundamentalists like Fiscus.

    I was not trying to continue a conversation. That would be like trying to teach the pig to sing.

    For Rule 5 to be effective, there has to be something to ridicule. I'm sorry if the far far right has provided so much material to work from, but it has, and continues to do so many things that would deserve nothing but ridicule if they weren't trying to run a country in accordance with their superstitions.

    Having said all that, I think it would be a good idea to mention creation 'science' and intelligent design. It can be a good example of science misused, like flat earth, and geocentrism.

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    @harold_lloyd Wow, and how do your really feel? What a shame that you have written off half the country by believing all your are fed. Really, I am sorry for that.
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    @Tralee Science is not based on opinion, it is based on evidence. If you want to teach Christian creationism as science, then be prepared for your kids to get lessons on other creation myths in their science classes. Want them to hear about Earth getting populated by aliens from space or how people emerged from the center of the earth?

    If there is scientifically reliable evidence of alternatives to evolution then they are appropriate for discussion in a science class, but unsupportable stories based on nothing but belief do not qualify.
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    We can keep kicking God out of the classroom and see what happens. Already the U.S. is plummeting in education. Anyone want to take a wild stab at why? Ever since we started depending on Jimmy Carter and his big government education department the education system in this country has been going downhill. We can pretend science is the answer to every mystery, but it isn't. The Bible gives us many answers to the very questions we seek answers to. I applaud Clayton Fiscus for his bravery and patriotism and willingness to step forward and promote ideas that will advance American education instead of continuing the liberal indoctrination of the nation.
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    What an absolutely predictable response. But wrong. We are 21st in the world in math and science BECAUSE we have, in the past, allowed the Texas godaholics to write our science books. We can't lead the world in science if our kids are taught "goddidit with magic."
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    then whay are we getting our butt kicked in education by nations that teach Zero religion in htier schools and where far fewer people even believe those ancient myths?

    Seem the further you get away from teaching those myths as fact, the better education becomes, but that is logic and science, and they don't teach you that in your book of myths...
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    Thank you Neo! Taking God out of the Education System leads children into trouble and despair. I pray for the ones who do not believe in God and I do not mine to be persecuted for standing up for Jesus Christ, Our Lord & Savior!
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    Hogwash! God is more than welcome in the classrooms. His mom however must enroll him. If he has a question, he must raise his hand,,,,, just like everyone else. Science has answered far more mysteries than the Bible has. I don't believe for one second there is a God. Do you believe in Zeus? Me neither. I don't believe in god for the same reason you don't believe in Zeus.
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    This is a prime example of Rule #5 from Rules for Radicals. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense, it's irrational and infuriating. Well done CultOfReason.
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    Evolution is the ONLY explanation for the vast amount of data accumulated by international scientists in several dozen disciplines. Evolution has been verified by millions of graduate students. Creationism does not have a single verifiable piece of evidence to support it. A Bronze Age anthology of campfire fables is not science!!!
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    "Evolution is the ONLY explanation..." would be an impossible hypothesis to justify. If you wish to take the scientific high ground, then I suggest using scientific reasoning. For instance, "life on Earth is genetically related" can be substantiated.
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    Every so often the foundations for natural selection are a little bit undermined by discovery of people who really haven't evolved - like this guy.
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    As far as "Creationism" goes it is junk science and has no place in the class room. Contrary to Rep. Paul Broun, a republican from Ga., called evolution “lies from the pit of hell” in a speech, and argued that the Earth is 9,000 years old. Creationism on the other hand say it begain about 4000 years ago and the church claims
    according to Bishop James Ussher who sets the date for creation at or on October 23, 4004 BC.
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    Well just so we don't appease the Christian we should also cover the Greek and Roman gods, Muslim, Hindu, Celtic, Pagan, Wicca, Scientology etc. Just want to make sure we cover all of these myths in fairness.
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    You want to teach this in school, fine, teach it in philosophy and religious studies courses where it belongs along with Zeus. Leave science to scientific theories and the scientific method, of which creationism fails as adhering to either.
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    Teach the Bible on Sundays.

    And yes, all of the listed above do explain the origins of life. A lot better than a man in the sky waving his hand and poof! Here we are.
  • #208
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    The factual theories of science are proved wrong daily, to teach the theory of evolution as fact is equivalent to teaching the fact that the earth is flat was 1000 years ago.
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    Yes, they are... because science is:
    objective; its laws and predictions are repeatable and unaffected by human preferences.
    empirical; its findings are measurable and every theory can be tested.
    dynamic; the process of scientific investigation leads to new discoveries every day.
    complex, yet simple; complicated science questions can be broken down into simpler problems, solved, and all the answers woven back together to solve the complex problem.

    With evolution, the theory is accepted as true, the arguments are over the details.

    On the other hand religion, all religions, are none of these things because even when a religious tenet doesn't make sense to anyone one must buy it and not argue and not try to prove it to be false. And the arguments are circular, God is God because it says so in the bible. Totally Idiotic. No measurable truth no outside verification. And even as our knowledge of the universe grows, religions try so hard to deny anything that puts a chink in their belief system.
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    @LEC
    Science itself is evolution, as you said, as knowledge grows new facts are discovered which proves old "facts" wrong, what's true today may be proved false tomorrow
    God however is the same yesterday , today , and forever
    If he said he did it, then he did. Fact not theory
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    @Ashstop my i did not mean to vote up your response. God has never once said anything except in the negative. And God may not change, but because every incarnation of religion does change and changes God's supposed words or reinterprets them so often that it is really hard to swallow the idea that God never changes or that such a being exists at all.

    Evolution is a theory in the scientific sense, not in the normal sense of the word. It is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."[1][2] Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force.[3][4]
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    I will not even grant the question legitimacy. The science is settled. Get over it. All of modern biology is intertwined with evolution. Next time you benefit from modern science with your medical doctor's help, understand modern biological principles makes it all possible. While you're at it stop denying man made global warming too.
  • #61
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    Maybe someone should tell these idiots that evolution doesn't even pretend to discuss the origin of life; it denotes the pocess by which organisms adapt to their environment. You might as well complain that astronomy doesn't help you bake the perfect peach cobbler.

    Creationism isn't science; it is based on a totally unprovable tenet--that a deity created everything. Once you go there, the reasonable question is, which deity? Every religion has a creation story. Maybe we should teach the egyptian story about us being created through Osiris's ejaculation? THAT should perk up a dull school day.
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    I'm not sure I'd want a public school teacher teaching creationism (I can hear the sarcasm from here), but I would encourage skepticism when they teach evolution (NABT expressly recommends discouraging skepticism when teaching evolution).

    All science should be approached with proper skepticism. Without skepticism, Einstein would have been satisfied with Newton's F=ma. Part and parcel, we need to teach our teachers to say "I don't know" when that's the best answer to a student's question.
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    "Biological evolution must be presented in the same way that it is understood within the scientific community: as a well-accepted principle that provides the foundation to understanding the natural world. Evolution should not be misrepresented as ‘controversial,’ or in need of ‘critical analysis’ or special attention for any supposed ‘strength or weakness’ any more than other scientific ideas are." - from the "NABT Position Statement on Teaching Evolution"

    "The history of organic life is indemonstrable; we cannot prove a whole lot in evolutionary biology, and our findings will always be hypothesis. There is one true evolutionary history of life, and whether we will actually ever know it is not likely. Most importantly, we have to think about questioning underlying assumptions, whether we are dealing with molecules or anything else.”- Jeffrey H. Schwartz, Professor of Biological Anthropology
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    @DerivePI

    but what does this have to do with teaching anything that has absolutely no basis in fact whatsoever, such as creationism? what could one even say about it in a science class? it only belongs in a religion class or world mythology class
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    @woodtick57 - First, your position of "no basis in fact" is a position of faith. Second, there is more than just the one other theory of creationism to be looked at. Third, pondering the question of our origins is an important question to look at from the lens of science. Finally, I return the question to you, how has evolution added to your scientific knowledge (specifics are nice)?
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    @DerivePI

    No, no it isn't. there is not one shred of fact to support the existenceof any god, gods or goddesses.thus not one shred of evidence for creationism...

    not at matter of faith, a provable fact.
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    @woodtick57 - OK, this is science class, and your hypothesis is that there is not one shred of evidence for creationism. Since evidence is infinite, a scientist would be unable to disprove this negative and would have to argue from ignorance. In science, this is sometimes acceptable, but for our argument's sake, it does not differentiate from the ignorance that gives us the theory of evolution, except perhaps in quantity.
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    The legislation determined fossils and DNA are inconclusive? Let me guess, Montana be one of dem GOP states dag-nabbit. Been hearin' lots bout' dose lately, thought they be a myth and what not, you know like where many move to become dental floss tycoons.( or mennil toss flykunes). Raisin' it up, waxing it down, in a little white box they can sell uptown.
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    "We should also teach what we don't know," Fiscus said.
    Nah.....let's just stick with what we know.
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    This is absolutely ridiculous. Science and religion should always remain separate. No wonder the government is trying to give incentives for scientists from other countries, we seem to have none left.
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