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    This isn't going to change. corporations own D.C. Obama is owned by Wall Street just as much as Romney was and the conservatives and progressives will wail and pretend to be shocked but they're the ones TAKING THE MONEY. What the hell. It's not going to change. Welcome to the new world order.
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    You are absolutely correct. It is both saddening and maddening! There need to be those major restrictions on lobbying, as you reminded me about in McConnell's problem, thanks. It is "easier" said than done, and "tougher." People don't want to believe it, but we are more an oligarcy/plutocracy than a democracy, behind the scenes. Heck, that's why I say to keep on your reps & Senators, folks! The President? Try... Although I feel that the Congress can watch over themselves, via legislation, it is, indeed, the fox watching over the chicken coup. We have a 2nd amendment for a reason. Hold on to it! Keep on your legislators, folks!
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    the problem is not the money spent on lobbying, but that politicians need so much cash to buy the votes of our complacent electorate through TV commercials...

    the voters of our country have the power to stop this but they have given that power over to their TV remote controls....
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    Oh, and let's not leave out nepotism--just by coincidence many of our countries politicians are related to lobbyists...small world....
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    @russ

    Many of the lobyists are former polititcians.

    remember, the OWS people were lobbying...(ineffectively, but..) the suffragettes were lobbyists. the civil rights fighters were lobbyists.

    the very basis of our nation is founded on lobbying...
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    Lesson #101 on how to cut taxes. Give money to congressmen.
    Someone please tell me how either party can keep a straight face when talking about tax reform, loopholes, deficits. The conversation should be about how these clowns avoid indictment
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    @woodtick57 "General Electric spends $100,000 every day to lobby Congress"

    And how much did GE pay in taxes in 2010?$0.
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    @DARSB

    they actually paid tons in taxes. maybe not in income taxes...

    why is the the example everyone uses? what about all the normal sized corps out there being taxed as people?

    we even fought a war over that whole taxation without representation thingy...
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    "The report has horrified both progressives and conservatives" Yet, it still is happening, right there in front of (and with) them!
    Corporations are smart, they are getting a $1000 hooker for a mere $1. And our hookers in D.C. probably say thank you!
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    you really think term limits and legislation will stop them? Theyll lobby the hell out of any new legislation and buy the newcomers. its practically hopeless
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    Until America has had enough and physically storms the gates of DC and drag these traitors into the streets they will continue to sell this country down the road. Why do they spend millions to be a congressman when the job only pays $174,000.00 a year.
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    "Legislation" and "term limits" are the only two "options" the dimwit can think of? No wonder the US is fcuked up, binary "thinking" is all that yanks are capable of.
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    Legislation? The only people who have the power to write legislation are the corrupt politicians, and those politicians would write MORE corrupt laws favouring corporations. That's what happened during the economic meltdown of 2008, the "bailouts" of Bu**sh** and Obama were giveaways to corporations, not "stimulus".
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    Term limits? If politicians have LESS time at the public trough, LESS time in high paying government jobs, it gives them MORE incentive to act on corporations' behalf while in power. After they leave, they are paid off with cushy "jobs", and will be more willing to write bad laws and them knowing there is less time to make money while in government.
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    Countries with at least THREE major political parties, countries which have minority governments on a regular basis, do NOT have problems with bribery and corruption like the US does. It has some problem, but not as much. When your political life is dependent on listening to voters and coalition partners, you're less likely to listen to someone trying to bribe you.
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    If you want to end corruption in the US, start a viable third party.
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    Well duh! The reason corporations (and let's not forget special interest groups)do it is that it works. You don't think they'd spend millions if it didn't.....
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    What would Term limits do to effect lobbying in any way shape or form? To suggest such illustrates a complete and total lack of understanding of the issue.

    Of course lobbying gets that large of a ROI. It is basically how our government currently functions.

    It can and needs to be stopped. Much in the same way its consumer cousin marketing needs to be stopped.
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    I put "yes both of the above", but there should have been another option for "but it would never happen because it would require Washington to sign it into law".
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    I don't see how to solve this problem. If you eliminate lobbying or corporate donations they'll just find other sneaky ways to buy off the politicians. If you implement term limits they'll just buy them off with high salary jobs after their terms.
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    the only way they can 'buy them off' is to make donations to their campaign fund.

    informed voters would amke all the money in the world pointless for campaign usage...
    that is how you solve the problem educate the voters,.
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    @woodtick57 You underestimate the creativity of corruption. Cocaine, hookers, jobs for relatives, vacations, shady land deals - there are no shortage of ways to pay off politicians who do your bidding.
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    @PNWest

    And there is no shortage of people waiting to find out about that and get the scoop.

    if you have the type of representative that would be swayed, or even interested by such things, any intelligent voter would know it...
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    @woodtick57 How many intelligent voters are there? How many non-corrupt politicians do you think there are? Maybe I'm cynical but I think that almost all of our elected officials are corrupt to a certain extent.
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    @PNWest

    that makes me sad...omg I';m like neo...

    i know several of my reps personally. iknow htey are not corrupt. they would like nothing better than to not have to start fundraising the day after they get elected, but that is what it takes when the voters vote by TV commercials.

    if you think people are corrupt because they take campaign contributions, then yes, every single politician is corrupt.
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    Outlaw lobbyists!! Take the money out of politics!!! Cut all the fat from the benefits lawmakers receive!! Only then will we get politicians who are in politics for the people and not the power and the cash!!!
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