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  • #22
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    What do you think of the arguments made against women in combat?

    its indeed a very bad idea, they will get allot of good men killed
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    @Vance1 I do believe you are right sir I honestly do not believe that a women could handle to stress of a fire fight or react appropriately in a intense situation.
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    @USMCrepublican

    So nurses that don't carry weapons but get caught in firefights...they pull up their skirts and wait for the big strong men to save them?

    Military training includes handling firefights. That goes for women as well. Women have won medals for bravery in combat situations.
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    @USMCrepublican Oh really, and I suppose all those female emergency room doctors and nurses and policewomen don't know how to "react appropriately in an intense situation"? What a stupid chauvanist comment. I have more balls than you do in my pinky. I know many men who faint at the sight of their own blood and are too afraid to pass tractor trailers on the highway! Most women could handle combat much better than they could!
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    @Hachachacha some women very well could. However I have seen very few in my years that could and would handle the rigors of a frontline infantry, scout or sf unit. We don't all pass out at the sight of blood as I have been covered in it a time or two in my career. And I have passed more than just tractor trailers during missions that required specific skills. You preach like you are such a stone cold killer. I have met many like you and most have a.never deployed b.never left the fob c.was a tower guard that overlooked a base pizza hut. No offense but women are a huge logistical burden that I believe will cause many many problems. Also the military sees women as the weaker sex as they require less of them physically on fitness tests than men. Until I see standards chaged and equalized for a level playing field I will say no to women in a combat unit. Running missions via a truck is different than walking hours with all your gear without resupply. It is physically demanding and based on how women are graded the vast majority are not close to being qualified.
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    obviously they've never read. Available at Amazon
    How to Shit in the Woods, Second Edition: An Environmentally Sound Approach to a Lost Art [Paperback]
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    Women who join the military and sign up for combat duty are not the shy, retiring type. They aren't that delicate. The boys will just have to get over their shyness. Shit happens.
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    @Malitia_Man missed a lot of the call, because i didn't check messages for awhile, but i did get on. Very interesting to learn the right is actually doing something about ndaa.
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    If they want to play tough guys and go into combat then they shoudl be ready to crawl around in crap and guts and blood and not think one second about relieving themselves in public
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    I don't think women should be in combat infantry units. But not because of men watching me pee! Im sure there are pervs out there that are into that. My objection has to do with physical ability. I doubt the assertion that women can carry the load day in and day out. There may be a few but not many.
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    If they would just come out and say women can be in combat BUT they must pass the same requirements as a man.....equality rights will be happy!
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    @stepped_in_it I do think it will cause more problems than its worth. It may not be PC or fair, but it could effect morale and that isn't acceptable.
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    @stepped_in_it but I admit I would rather not watch soldiers poop in a bag. But if you gotta go....
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    @stepped_in_it I wished that I could up vote you more than once. At least in the Army, push up(upper body strength) and 2 mile run (cardio endurance) are different standards. I thin all services have different standards.
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    @wild_turkey6 women are graded far differently then men. This bias is now a huge issue because it places much weaker soldiers in a very physically demanding environment. Please read my petition, if you agree sign it and pass along to your friends thanks.

    http://wh.gov/yoeM
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    I am a female, and mind you I am not against women in combat but there are issues, major issues. These women need to take a reality check moment, and unless they no longer have a bloody period monthly, then I think they need to re-think, not necessarily their desire for combat, but the idea of being outdoors, sometimes days without a shower, sometimes days in their same clothes, and you want to deal with mother nature....I can see it now, as this woman drops her pants to change her tampon...GROSS. Then you need some way to dispose of it because of the odor it may create, especially if you have not been able to shower....anyone getting my point yet? So then maybe we have to make new rules...something like, women on their periods or near their periods do not have to deal with combat until their periods are over....one word....unfair. Womens rights are supposed to be about fairness right? So why should we as women expect rules to be altered to make it more adaptable for us, but make the men still have to deal with he same bull shit. Unfair....come on society, there are some things women can not and should not do.
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    Rules and regulations are already altered in the military to make women more competitive. Physical fitness tests and weight are biased towards women. It isn't fair if two soldiers one male the other female are being recommended for promotion. They are the same on paper except for a physical fitness test score. The male scored 220 and the female scores 240. The female gets the nod. However if you break it down to performance the male actually did more push ups, sit ups and ran two miles faster but scored less. I agree with what you said fully but there is far more resons than what you have listed. I started a petition addressing this issue. I retired from a combat arms unit and have many friends still active. This issue scares the hell out of them.

    http://wh.gov/yoeM
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    A lot of women now take birth control pills that make them not even get a period or if they do, a very short, light one. And a lot of women just naturally don't get periods. So I don't even think this is an issue for everyone. Where there's a will, there's a way and I am sure these women won't let it become that much of an issue to want any new rules about this.
  • #21
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    Ok a couple of things.......

    1. Men also squat when doing a BM (Bowel Movement)
    2. Us ladies have already addressed and solved this problem, see web site below:

    www.go-girl.com

    (Also a nice smooth piece of thick soft plastic can be bent to make our "inferior" pee anatomy shoot a nice clean stream.)
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    Again, a brigade of self righteous Politix posters rush in to denigrate possible hurdles to integrated combat missions. Is there no end to the know-it-all-ness of Politix posters. Maybe we should fire the Congress and the military command and let the Politix posters run it all. They seem to have all the answers.
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    suggest you read this it's available at all bookstores Amazon. B&N etc
    How to Shit in the Woods, Second Edition: An Environmentally Sound Approach to a Lost Art [Paperback]
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    This is starting to be a habit with me agreeing with you. I often shake my head with all the so called experts on military matters that seem to know all of the answers.
    Do you remember all the predictions about drops in recruitment and retention, mission failure, and orgies in the showers when DADT was repelled? How did that turn out?
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    First, let's note retired Gen Boykin is a senior exec at fundigelical Focus on the Family. Second, why is a seasoned combat vet so freaked out over the possibility of a soldier or Marine seeing lady parts?

    The horror...
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    I worry more about carrying a 70 lb ruck sack on top of weapon, ammo, water, and body armor. Women over here pee outside all the time. Also in vehicles using a Gatorade bottle and "she wee" adapter.
    Women do a lot of combat type missions. And do it well, I might add, but most do this from a vehicle. I worry about the differences in upper body strength. Hopefully, those in higher pay grades than me she this difference and will not lower standards.
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    The answer is obvious. All grunts should wear dresses regardless of gender, so that they can squat and leave it without embarrassment.
  • #33
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    "Jerry Boykin, a former lieutenant general, who is concerned that women won't be able to hack the gross conditions of extended deployment."

    Apparently, Boykin has never watched an episode of "Jerry Springer".
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    I know! I mean, why'd they go to Boykin, of all people, for commentary? He wants women kept barefoot and pregnant according to the good will of his "savior".
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    They can, but it isn't pleasant, and dealing with one's period while on the front lines? That could lead to medical problems, due to poor hygiene. It would put an added burden on the women, and aren't we always complaining we have an undue burden men do not have? So why ask for more? Seriously ladies, why do that to ourselves when there are other ways to serve? Then there is the problem of how enemy combatants would deal with captured female prisoners. Rape is a given and the enemy is NOT going to tolerate a feminist lecture to the contrary. This is another lib idea with unintended consequences.
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    Females do risk rape if captured But do you know what? So do males. Have you ever seen the movie "Lawrence of Arabia"? What do you think happened to Lawrence when he was captured by the Turks?
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    umm...in other countries our enemies are more interested in young men and little boys for sexual pleasure. women are strictly for reproduction...sad but its the truth...and women in the military are at risk of higher levels of sexual assault than civilians regardless of their job description...go watch "Invisible War"...a moving documentary
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    First, women's periods can be stopped with birth control. And no, they don't have to take a pill everyday. Next, rape can happen to anybody. The only concern I have is physical ability. If the ladies can hump it rifht along side the guys, USING THE SAME STANDARDS AS THE MEN, by all means let them do it.
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    @Dan_Tien ...women risk rape just by joining the military, one of its so-called dirty secrets, I sure wouldn't want one of my daughters entering the current military, or my son's either for that matter and I think the Turks of the old days preferred boys...
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  • #5
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    Are the Marines afraid that a woman can out poop and pee them? Hey, I knew some women who could pee out their name....then mine without stopping....I was impressed!
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    Well, to be honest, it changed when I also read an article that said female service member's 'unintended' pregnancies were on the rise.
  • #149
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    Many military women serve in environments with primitive sanitary conditions or none at all making feminine hygiene difficult. Some restrict fluid intake, which puts them at risk for heat stroke / dehydration. Others hold their urine for long periods of time, which leave them prone to urinary tract infections. Others resort to using layers of perineal pads, bottles, plastic bags or even cans to urinate in.

    GottaTinkle!- an easy-to-use, re-usable, hand-held, travel-sized female urination device (FUD) that gives women and children the ability to pee standing up, is a great solution. Unlike other FUDs, GottaTinkle! is not a funnel or cone designed to make you "pee like a man". Funnels and cones are awkward to use, prone to leaking and leave you feeling wet. GottaTinkle! is a simple, hygienic, urine-collection device that allows women and kids to simply pee into disposable baggies and toss out.

    Please take a look at the following YouTube video - http://youtu.be/bi4i2py60Do .
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