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    @AceLuby Nonsense. If his business is posted "we reserve the right to refuse to anyone" he is within his legal rights in EVERY state in America. EVERYONE.
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    Ok we only bake cakes Evangelical Christians, no AA's, no Latino's WASP's are ok but
    We don't make cakes for any of the follow religious groups they offend me : Baha'i, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism
    Orthodox Eastern Church, Protestantism, Catholicism, Shinto.
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    @jessejaymes That's a fact! I'm outta here, brother, just had to see a few other ppl. Noticed this item, saw your comment. Agree. I'm outta here! Till another day, have a good one!
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    Apparently freedom of religion no longer includes the 'free exercise thereof'. Any law that forces a religious person to act against his or her convictions is by definition unConstitutional. Homoxsexuals do NOT have the right to run roughshod over the religious convictions of others in the name of 'fairness'. The real bullies are the homosexuals. Their rights STOP where mine begin. I hope a group like the ACLJ takes up this man's case.
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    "Any law that forces a religious person to act against his or her convictions is by definition unConstitutional."

    There are no absolute rights in the Constitution. Snake handling is illegal in West Virginia, and human sacrifice hasn't been allowed since, oh, I don't know, EVER.
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    your so called 'freedom of religion' ends at the church doors. it has nothing to do with who you sell cakes to. what the man did was wrong... and if we look at it closely we'll find that discrimination for any reason is unconstitutional.

    homosexuals aren't 'running roughshod' over anybody at all, nor anybody's religious convictions. please take an honest look at it and you'll see that in the 'name of fairness' the man would bake them the best cake that he's ever made to help them celebrate their wedding day.
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    @dances-weebles Wrong. It doesn't end anywhere. "The free exercise thereof" means anywhere, anytime, any way. In no way can Christians be required by the government to behave in any way that violates their religious principals. That includes paying for thr birth control of perfect strangers, baking cakes or providing photographs for homosexual marriages. Any provision of the Civil Rights Law that requires me to violate my conscinece in any way is unConstitutional.
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    @DARSB "Congress shall make NO law. That would include snake handling, unBiblical as it may be. There absolutely are absolute rights in the Constitution, much as you might wish otherwise.
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    You can not have a business that serves the public and choose which people you serve. His business is to make cakes he should make them and keep his mouth shut.
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    Disagree 100%. You can have a business that serves the public and choose to NOT serve some people. Read this in many private businesses "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". If this causes his/any business to go out of business....it's their business (though not smart).
    Now, as for the reasons.....we don't (really) know all the particulates!
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    @stepped_in_it Absolutely correct. In my view the color I am interested in is GREEN, i.e,. MONEY. So he would be stupid in my view but he perfectly within his rights if his business is posted.
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    @stepped_in_it @AceLuby said it best in his earlier post "WHITES ONLY" . The man broke our great state's law and should be prosecuted. He DOES NOT have the right to discriminate under Oregon state law.
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    @PNWest So...he discriminated against someone of color? HMMM.....thought the article said a lesbian couple....but I might be wrong there! And, right now, we just might have a he said/she's said situation!
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    Don't tell me how to run my business is basically what he is stating. I think every business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone.
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    @thatgirl Here in Kentucky when Chick Filet stood their ground against something they believed to be true along the same lines business actually boomed. They ran out of food and people stood in long lines to show support. I'm guessing you are gay and are upset by this but it is his right and you can go elsewhere to get a cup cake. I have nothing against gays and lesbians but it is his store and his business. Violating his religous beliefs is unconstitutional.
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    @No_Bama Read the article again, there is a state anti-discrimination law that applies. Like it or not, he was breaking the law, but religious convictions would be an interesting defense...
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    @PoliticalSpice I've read the law and there is a clause in it for religious institutions and religious convictions. As I've said before, this guy will win this.
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    This is a local story that has been going on for a few days in my area. The owners say that the couple has bought pastries from them before and has not been refused service based on their sexual orientation. The shop owners demurred from specifically creating a wedding cake for them when it was requested, on the basis that they disagreed with gay marriage. There are Christian symbols clearly visible inside their shop, including a Bible on display. from which the man read to back up his refusal when he "called them" abominations.

    This never would have been a story in the media if the couple had gone to another pastry shop for their wedding cake rather than complaining to the state Attorney General. One wonders if they didn't force the issue by going to the obviously Christian-owned shop for the wedding cake to begin with.

    I am not a religious person and personally have no objections to gay marriage, but question whether freedom means that everyone must be forced to overlook their own beliefs in order to accommodate others. I am curious to see if the couple will demand to be married by a priest in a cathedral, as well.
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    This story is the equivalent of a Christian Book Store refusing to sell books about devil worship. He has a perfect right to do what he did. Case closed.
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    It's just more attention seeking behavior from the "fringe"...What?..Le sbians can't bake? No Gay bakeries in town? Just another frivoulous law suit designed to shout,
    "Look, they are discriminating against US"! Let them put their big girl panties on and
    go find another baker, or they can bake their own damn cake! So over this petty crap! They need to face facts...not everyone agrees with their lifestyle and get over it. I'm sure they can find someone who will bake them a cake w/ two brides or two grooms, who knows , and who cares?!
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    That's fine, just who do you think is next on this list? If one company can get away with this, others may follow suit. Next thing you know there will be discrimination against old people, children, men, women, blacks, whites, Jews, Catholics....where does it end? Isn't America divided enough or is it just a face of life that we can't seem to get through the day without finding someone to hate on?
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    Okay so lesbians claim he called them an abomination, which he denys, and mrs. and mrs.lesbian won't comment further until they talk to a lawyer... sounds like they're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

    And at this point do they really want him to make a cake for them ?

    ;-0
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    I fail to see how making a cake is forcing bigots to be gay. Of course, to the "Christian" right not being able to arbitrarily force mandates from a Bronze Age mythical creature on others while ignoring most of them theirselves is "forcing" something on them. I'm beginning to think that allowing the south to secede and take tea party folk with them is the only way the rest of us avoid having out country drug into the 3rd world.
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    @Cheenoguy Of course not, nowhere did I claim that they were forcing anyone to be gay. Where did you get this crazy assumption?

    BTW, Do you not see the irony (and hypocrisy) in calling someone a bigot then turning around and making bigoted, derogatory statements about Christians, the Tea party and the south in general? More "do as we say, not as we do" from the left.
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    @No_Bama And then you turn around and make more bigoted, derogatory statements about "the left." You're contributing to the polarization of this country and allowing this two party system to destroy America.

    Next time, try to explain your beliefs calmly and logically without insults, the other person wasn't right either and should follow that advice as well, your not going to win anyone over when you continue to allow for the extreme polarization of this country. George Washington warned us of this in his final speech in office, head his advice.
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    @Libertyiskey I did nothing of the sort. Care to point out where I made "bigoted, derogatory statements" as you claim? If not, I'll be waiting for your apology.
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    @No_Bama "more 'do as we say not as I do' from the left" You are grouping a whole ideology of people as hypocrites, so there you go deragatory.
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    America is really a disgusting evil country. We discriminate against blacks, Latinos, LGBT, atheists, Muslims, etc., start illegal wars overseas, deny healthcare to millions, drone strikes killing thousands of innocent civilians, support of criminal regimes like Israel or Saudi Arabia, etc. The USA imperial empire is now the modern 21st century Nazi Germany. I swear the only thing to turn the USA into a fascist state is if the Tea Party takes over.
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    @harold_lloyd I have been thinking of fleeing to Canada if the tea party takes complete control or if the government starts implementing the 2012 NDAA and starts arresting people and detaining them forever. The USA is the most reactionary country in the entire western world. Most Americans can't or don't read. A good percentage are creationists. Many can't even locate the UK on a map. It's only gonna get from back to worse. We have a so called two party system, but in reality both political parties are the same and dominated by corporations. There is not freedom left in America. We are living in a police state.
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    @WattheTyler You should get started. This country has many many MANY problems. As does every country. You haven't seen racism until you see the racism of the Canadians against the "East Indians". And for you to compare this country to Nazi Germany is absurd. More than jews went to the gas chambers under Hitler. Gays were among those who went. When is the last time you can document gays being gassed in America?
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    @jessejaymes Really? So why does the USA government have the right to detain or assassinate any US citizen without trail? No I can not support a country, a criminal regime like the one in Washington D.C. Millions of US citizens don't have healthcare, barely making by with two jobs, etc. We have a new racist Jim Crow prison system, largest on earth, made mostly of minorities. We are seeing the rise of proto-facists like the Christian right or tea party who will scapegoat immigrants, intellectuals, homosexuals, liberals, etc. The corporate greed found in America is off the charts. Both the Democratic and Republican parties are both two sides of the same corporate controlled coin. And yet we say "God bless America." No if god was real god would destroy this evil country.
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    @WattheTyler You aren't being gassed for being gay. I don't like this country. I never have. I love Europe and we are moving in about a year to Costa Rica. But for to compare this country to Nazi Germany just shows how DRAMA queen you are. That's just absurd.
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    Last I checked, we're still a Capitalist nation. Last I checked, businesses still have a right to refuse patronage/service for one reason or another. And if this lesbian couple found their business unwelcome, then they should've taken their business elsewhere. Capitalism...pure and simple....
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    "Last I checked, we're still a Capitalist nation."

    That's a relief. After all these "Obama Is A Socialist Everybody Panic" posts I was starting to wonder...
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    @harold_lloyd then someone should challenge that law as unconstitutional. When government tells you how to run YOUR business, they are wrong. I for one am glad I don't have a business in Oregon. I wouldn't want them telling me how to run my business and instilling "anti-discrimination " statutes on me. Something tells me the lesbo couple agitated this situation to begin with.
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    BTW, this guy was a baker, you're telling me this lesbian couple couldn't find another baker in town to accommodate their "wedding?" Honestly, these thin-skinned buffoons need to grow a backbone and move on...
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    The man has a RIGHT to do anything he wants, PERIOD! He dosn't need to give an explanation for the reason either. If thats the case all "No Shirt,No Shoes,No Service" signs are descrimination. When is this craziness going to end. If Amish can avoid the military because of their religion,a man should surely be able to refuse service to a certain group for his beliefs. Why don't you liberals practice what you preach and quit being the hipocrites you continue to display. Everyone has a right to dislike and like whom ever we want. We don't bother you, and you don't bother us. Thats the way it works. This gay couple should let all their little gay friends know this so they can boycott his business. Other than that,thats the only right they have.
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    Hear, hear, Buckfan4life2. A person's religious convictions are not "hatred" as the "tolerant' left would say. They are simply his beliefs which are protected by the Constitution, which the left wants to ignore when their ox is gored.
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    this is where our gubment is headed, tells you when and where to buy health insurance, tells you who you can and cant sell your goods to, tells you you have no right to arm/defend yourself and they wont protect you.
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    Wow, he just got a ton of free press that will most likely bring out more support from one bunch of crazies than the business he'd lose from the other bunch of crazies. Quit reporting it, let them sue him and move on. Otherwise you're not doing anyone any favors. Well, except for the bigot.
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    Biz Does Not Serve the Public.... It's serves the Owners to make a profit to pay their bills and feed their families.... Biz should never be made into social experiment... They sell goods and services to make a profit... If the Public want to buy those goods and services fine, if not they go out of biz... Anti Discrimination laws should Never apply to private non publicly funded biz of any kind... And Yes that should apply to all biz... If a biz gets no public funding then they should be able to discriminate all they wish against anyone they wish.... If a Bar says no gays, blacks, whites ect. fine.. then they can be protested against, publicly ridiculed, refused the use of Other biz support such as Visa, Master Card, refused advertizement in local media ect... If a store that excepts EBT cards (Food Stamps) discriminate they should be banned from excepting such...

    Now any biz, company or service provider that receives any Public Funding is a different story, those should be required to follow any and all regulation on discrimination or have that funding cut off if they fail to do so...

    My personal view is that to restrict Private companies and Individuals from discriminating is Unconstitutional.... The Constitution was written to protect your Right from the Government... Not to protect Your Rights from the people in general....
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    @Quantummist "biz is linc. by State, and Board of Health. A check of Oregon law to see if they differentiates racial discrimination from sexual orientation or they are they as regarded as the same discrimination.(1964 Civil Rights Act)
    Maybe you don't agree, but that's the law. You're in the retail biz you cannot discriminate.
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