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  • #15
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    LOL! It's similar to the oxymoron of Military and Intelligence; but she & Senate intelligence do take the cake of oxymoronisms! LOL!
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    @GmanGSW Have you heard the woman speak? I think she's wacked out on oxy most the time. Holy Toledo I've heard mutes that are more understandable than she is.
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    @jessejaymes
    LOL!!!! Jesse, you know how to make me laugh!!! Oh, btw, I do agree with your comment, by far!!!! Can't stop smiling!!!
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    @jessejaymes Seems you're stuck on the letter O today. Oxymoron, Oxy(cotin), Ozzy Osbourne.....Tomorrow I want you to practice your M's..... bahaha
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    @AceLuby That would be a better thing, but the Authorization of Use of Military Force passed in the aftermath of 9/11 lets the President, whoever he is, keep a kill list and pursue whoever he deems fit to pursue. http://goo.gl/2dynD
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    @DARSB I know, it's extremely scary. Just another escalation point of the military industrial complex. $400 billion worth of new spending just in the last 10 years for this crap.
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    Depending on how it is done, a well placed strategic drone strike will always cause less casualties than all out war. You use good recon and intell to try and minimize collateral casualties but in the end the enemy is still the enemy, I'm not too concerned with them.
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    @jessejaymes As do I. How many coffins wouldn't have come home from overseas if we'd used drone strikes instead. War is war, people die, that's how it plays out. Our people are more valuable in my opinion than others. If that makes me an ass, then so be it.
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    @Fishbone345 That's exactly right. there is a war going on with Islam whether people want to admit it or not. And Islam has no civilians.
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    @jessejaymes if there is 'a war going on with islam', then we started it. if all americans were pulled out of the area and we stopped trying to stir the shitstorm constantly, then there would be peace. whatever happens in their countries is none of our business.
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    Darn, sorry I missed this, I was watching but not at the beginning. It's about time someone recognized this dreadful process. If Bush had done it, it would have been front page, every day with screaming headlines. Read much about it in the papers or heard much about it on TV?
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    The left cried for days over warrantless wiretaps which I oppose also BTW. It seems to me that if Americans can be killed overseas without due process then it is likely they will be killed here w/o due process eventually. Scary stuff.
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    The program has its roots in the previous administration, in particular the Authorization for Use of Military Force passed in 2001 ( http://goo.gl/2dynD ). We see more drones today because the technology is much better.
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    @OhWiseOne Americans being killed here w/o due process has been going on for a long time. We know it by it's standard name of "officer involved shooting".
    It happened just the other day with the kidnapper in alabama.
    Where was his "day in court"?????
    Uniformed police forces here in the U.S. routinely engage in this practice.
    The ONLY difference is the location of the kill.
    Afghanistan or alabama...take your pick.
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    @OhWiseOne They have already spied on and killed americans here. Long before drones. Black Panthers. American Indian Movement, antiwar activist, others were targeted for operations. Some framed for crimes they knew they never committed, other killed in raids, or assasinated. They did it before they will do it again.
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    The Commander in Chief has the final say...so, why are they protesting the CIA
    director? Oh, I forgot, Obama can do no wrong. Bush would have been crucified.
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    Oh, Mimi. There are some days when I fear you'll eventually sink to the Neozoic Layer, but I have hope for you yet. So you wrote,

    "Oh, I forgot, Obama can do no wrong. Bush would have been crucified."

    But Mimi sweetie, G. W. Bush WAS crucified. The last year of his second term was excruciating for the Republicans as the room service check for Afghanistan and Iraq showed up, TARP had to pass to keep something or other from collapsing - I really did felt for the guy. He was and is banished from American media by the interests of the GOP.

    I have to say, with considerable sympathy for the guy, I have never seen a retiring President fade so immediately and completely from public view. But his galactic-scale disapproval numbers are objects of wonder in the wonk class.

    GW's rehabilitation make take longer than Nixon's. ;)
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    @DARSB What I meant was whatever Obama says, does, no matter how much he
    is dismantling the country I knew, the Dems can say nothing bad about him. I have never seen this country so divisive, ever. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do
    with his policies or lack of.

    Bush was 'crucified' for anything he did. The Dems believed there were WMD's, as
    well as Colin Powell. All the blame for the war in Iraq was put on Bush. No one has
    a problem with the drone attacks that kill hundreds of innocent people, because it
    is Obama calling the shots...

    He also had Katrina to deal with, and was ridiculed unmercifully for that. Yet New Jersey is still without some services, and there are no outcries friom the Left. Obama
    appears to be the 'Teflon Don'...another John Gotti, but eventually, even they get
    what they deserve.

    Also, History will define what Obama is...I doubt it will be kind to him in the end, that
    will remain to be seen, providing the country is still standing in four more years...
    Sweetie...( ;
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    I'm more concerned with the genie that's been let out of this particular bottle, and the possibility of it eventually being turned against us here in the U.S. For example, Iran managed to down a drone, and have probably managed to reverse-engineer it by now. If they use them against, say, Israel, we have lost any possible moral high ground that would allow us to successfully protest that act.
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    @hankf68 - The same moral high ground that we, as a nation, often take when we talk about defending democracy and human rights around the world. I'm not saying we are morally superior, just that we often take that as a given and in this case, I don't see how anyone could spin it into anything resembling righteousness in light of how many drone strikes we've carried out.
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    @Denizen_Kate ...our moral high ground is subjective and our human rights policy and support of Israel is atrocious to say the least and people wonder why the world hates us so, be careful that those drone strikes don't come after us, whomever are the next terrorist our gov't says are so, at home, for they are over our heads already, lets not be naive...
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    In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft

    For those living in these drone-infested regions, the reality they experience on a daily basis is horrifying. In the dark future envisaged in the science fiction Terminator movies, human decisions are removed from strategic operations once an artificial intelligence (AI) called 'Skynet' takes control. In real life we have the conscienceless Military-Industrial Complex - run by humanoids in the CIA, Pentagon, British Ministry of Defence, US and UK Government administrations and weapons manufacturers - working together to develop a war machine that has removed all semblance of humanity from combat operations. In the movies we're invited to excuse Skynet's creators because it is no longer under their control. In real life, terminator drones are programmed to 'double-tap' their targets, a euphemism for deliberately targeting rescuers attempting to drag victims from rubble in the aftermath of the initial drone strike. The predictable result, is that for every "terrorist" killed in Pakistan 49 civilians are murdered also .

    10,000 Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) aka drones are said to be currently in service around the globe, "protecting Western civilization from terrorists". A thousand of these are armed and most of them are American-operated. It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates'). While military personnel cuts have shrunk the sizes of standing armies,'theaters of operations' have expanded. In the US, the 'FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012', has seen the Federal Aviation Administration, NASA and other agencies work towards the total integration of commercial drones into US airspace. Ethical and privacy concerns are simply swept aside while the proliferation of drone technology is driven by the greed of powerful defense contractors.
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    Al Qaeda started this war and they are still planning and carrying out attacks against the US here and abroad. Ending strikes against them will only encourage them to continue their war against us. They burrow into areas where they are surrounded by civilians and then yell "war crimes!" when civilians are killed along with their operatives, even though they deliberately target civilians for their own attacks. If given the chance, they would laugh at Americans who protest against drone strikes before cutting off their heads on camera, and then upload the video to the internet.
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    These drone strikes are great. I approved of them when Bush did them and I approve of them now when Obama does them. These strikes do not put our precious American soldiers lives in danger. They are deathly effective in killing terrorists. They demoralize the heck out of our enemies and are cheaper than other alternatives. What's not to like? Please don't give me any nonsense about due process. The people being targeted by these strikes are waging war against Americans. They deserve what they get. Because of these strikes there is no where in the world that these terrorists can be at peace. Death can come from the skies at any moment. It must be a pretty lousy feeling to get promoted to #2 in Al Qaeda these days.
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    2 thumps up. Seems only a few of us care more about our American soldiers than either a terrorist or an "American" terrorist. HMMM.....a terrorist is a terrorist (McVeigh is a name I can remember...but my memory does fade at times).
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    obama is bloodthirsty, but liberals don't care. All they care about is their free obamaphones and that taxes go up on those working hard everyday. Children are dying because of obama's drone strikes and liberals aren't upset. I'm upset. No child should have to live in that kind of fear.
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    Children are not terrorists, but liberals don't care. They can be killed too, no fear. It must be a horrible way for children to grow up knowing they can have extermination rain down on them out of the sky at any time.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix Sorry this upsets you Neo but war is hell. By the way I am in the minority of liberals. Almost all of the liberals I know are against the drone strikes. Were you opposed to them when Bush started the program? I wasn't. I believe in protecting our soldiers as best we can. The drone strikes save American lives. That is a good thing.
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    @PNWest - So damn a child that did nothing, just as long as no American soldiers get killed. Gee, that must be real comforting for some mother in Pakistan to hear from you. We have the best army in the world. If obama would fund them properly and unleash them they could get the job done with minimum casualties, that includes harmless innocent children.
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    If you have evidence that an American is a traitor and is in another country, in the first place, I have no problem in taking out a traitorous American. I have a different feeling if this were to happen in the US, then there should be due process,@DARSB, et al. I do NOT agree with hurting or killing any women or children (non-combatants). Then again, what if the woman is a traitor? Still, I do NOT agree with any children or innocent adults being maimed or killed. Enough said. I think I've made my point.
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    If they want to execute an american they need more then a claim of evidence, the person should be permitted to contest the evidence unless cauaght in an act that such as attempting to bomb or murder people. Secret evidence that permits no ability for the target to contest it is basically capital punishment without benefit of a trial. Saying its ok if it happens outside the u.s. means your next vacation outside the country creates open season on americans. What about anti-war protesters like jane fonda visiting hanoi, should they been allowed to kill her? I voted you up cause i agreed with most of your statement, but wanted to clarify where i differ...
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    Generally, I'm not for this type of warfare. But if the taliban or whoever, had the technology, they would use it 100%. 9/11 is an example. They don't care about the innocent.. They purposely hide among the populace knowing that US forces would not want to attack them. They don't claim to hate the governments of the West. They hate the West period. West = infidels. Infidels = death. Therefore, the West must die. Until some of the corrupt governments backing the radicals get their heads out of the sand (pun intended), drones may be necessary.
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    @AceLuby Maybe we are not different from them. Yes, it is wrong to kill civilians, but what is one to do? We are in this crap shoot and trying to be above the enemy seems not to be working. I don't have an answer. Maybe it time to stop being the world police and leave other countries to do their on bidding. I just don't know.
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    @Knightmare Are the drones to be armed or just for surveillance? I am against using them against us. We are already being bombarded with surveillance cameras every where. I think drone use on American soil will happen. It just how they will be used. Eventually they probably will be armed. Could you see them being used doing a pursuit in LA to take out some carjacker?
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    Like I have always stated. We need all our troops, and all of our aid out of the rest of the world. You can't bully nations into your way of thinking and not expect to make enemies. If we cut off all aid and trade to Lybia, Haiti, Bosnia, Afganistan, Iraq, etc you would see gas prices and other trade items increase for a short time, but in the long run we would cut our defecit, put our people back to work, and we could reset the trade table with no monetary aid. Taking drones and killing innocent people is wrong and it makes everyone hate us.
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    LOAC, ROE and Collateral Damage Estimations all exist for a reason. Civilians always want to cry until America is crawling with terrorists.
  • #100
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    What exactly does Code pink want? Can they describe their vision of the world should their demands be met? Do they have a goal in mind or are they just being asses?
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