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    This makes sense. On another note the police should be enforcing traffic laws for bicyclists. Out here in Colorado I have a home along a MAJOR bicycle route up in the mountains. Its a continual issue with bicyclists riding in huge groups and making it difficult to pass them on windy roads. That and the fact that many bicyclists believe stop signs are simply for automobiles make things quite dangerous. It works both ways.....and I ride a bicycle too.
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    Way too true. Most bicyclist do not know that they have to obey the traffic laws just like a car. I have some who argue with me saying they're suppose to ride on the left side of the road because they can "see" the traffic coming at them.....or that the sidewalk (where available) is where they are supposed to ride. Of course, this is Tennessee.....jeez!
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    @stepped_in_it Believe me...I hear ya. I finally wrote a letter to the county commissioner and started seeing stepped up enforcement. It's almost funny seeing bicycles pulled over. I wrote this letter after a bicyclist told me to do things to myself that are unprintable on here.
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    We're generally in agreement. I ride a bike almost daily. I also have a car, a motorcycle, and an RV, and the safe use of each is quite different. I'm continually astonished at the driving habits of some asshats who operate each of the above. Yes, I'm all for ticketing bicyclist when they're stupid, discourteous, and causing problems. On the other hand enforcement should be proportionate to the degree of danger caused to others, i.e. how many motorists have been killed or injured due to illegal actions of a bicyclist vs. how many bicyclists have been killed or injured due to the illegal actions of a motorist. Get it? On a bike I'm infuriated daily by drivers who just don't see me or whose behavior indicates a attitude that bikes have no business whatsoever on the roadway--and that includes some cops in their cruiser.
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    I think if I am on a bike it is my job to keep me safe. Not ride on busy streets, then again I don't live in a big city.
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    Of course it's a bike rider's job to keep himself safe, same with the obligation for the driver of any vehicle to keep themself safe. There also exist a variety of laws requiring folks to drive in a manner to keep OTHER people safe.
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    Auto owners should always be accountable for their actions however, if bicylists are going to share the highways with autos, they should also have accountability for their actions along with licensing and insauance. They pose a risk on the highway just like anyone else, not to mention zigging in and out of traffic.
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    Bike safety back in my day was a lot more about bicyclists looking out for traffic rather than the reverse....now you've got bikers playing chicken on the road with cars that intentionally or unintentionally would hurt them....in addition many of the bikers are just plain rude....if you can't ride the speed limit stay as far away from traffic as possible....

    One other thing....how about bikes that are on paths that are for runners and walkers that insist on mowing down those running and walking.....

    Sorry but most bikers have an arrogance and little concern for their own life....

    Some actually deserve a door upside the head....
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    I am a bicycle rider. I have more trouble with inconsiderate motorists abusing the bike lane or turning across in front of me. I have learned that, like pedestrians, though we may have the right of way, automobile drivers don't always yield. Bicyclists also have to realize that we present a much smaller presence and can be difficult to see, especially on heavy traffic roads where drivers must consentrate on many things at once. Bicyclists should ride with anticipation, more so when we have to ride on the wrong side of the road or on inclement days. And have lights front and rear at night and on gray days. I am both a bicyclist and a professional driver with many miles and hours on the road. We all fail to see things, make mistakes. Watch drivers' eyes, make sure they see you. Drive/ride defensively.
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    I have taken at least 4 defensive driving courses (due to my CDL and renewing every 2 years). I also have taken both beginner and advanced MSF (motorcycle safety foundation) courses and have also taught that same course (a request from a local com. College). I believe all drivers and riders should have to take these 4 hours courses to get their licenses and every 5 years after that.....they do teach you a lot and save lives!
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    @stepped_in_it
    Yeah. My old cab company in L.A. required all drivers to take an 8 hour devensive driving class every 6 months. We went from an average of 4 accidents daily to an average of 3. Not bad out of a fleet of 4,000 vehicles.
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    @Keyjo It does help in the "professional" driver community. To bad the "amateur" driver community aren't held to that same standard!
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    Yep, in Calif. they have a no idle law for truckers. They kinda backed off the law after a few truckers died in the 100+ temps in the desert areas. Just what we need, more laws to reinforce common sense. Wonder when they're gonna pass a law enforcing right shoe on right foot and left shoe on left foot? ;-)
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    @stepped_in_it

    That's what bureaucracies do best.(Generate useless paperwork and policies.) My company is another example. If I fell off a toilet and hurt myself, I'd bet we'd have a safe pooping policy in two weeks.
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    @Thunderchicken Lesson.....don't fall off the toilet as you might incur the wrath of your fellow workers who must now wear seat belts to relieve themselves! LOL
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    @stepped_in_it The biggest problems are rudeness and the lack of commonsense. This leads to more laws being put on the books. How many times to you see some yahoo opening a door to traffic and leaving it open? Especially on two lane wrongs. Until " I'm special and I control the road" attitude diminishes, more "unnecessary" laws will be written.
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    From the Virginia Pilot link:"It’s what occurs when someone opens a car door into a lane with moving traffic and a bicyclist slams into it"
    1) "Turned head" vision is at best extremely poor. Turn your head to look over your shoulder. What you are seeing is without depth and "skewed" due to the bridge of your nose and both eyes not seeing the same thing! Using the mirror on your door will not give the full picture.
    2) I'm a motorcyclist (for 50+ years now). Motorcyclist, like bicyclist, have to have a better picture of their surroundings looking for signs of auto drivers not "seeing" them...they lose use in the confusion of the traffic. Too many motorcyclists (and bicyclists) are not experienced enough to ride in high traffic zones and usually end up as a hood ornament. I can't even tell you how many accidents I have avoided riding my bike in high traffic zones. This bicyclist problem is roughly the same problem motorcyclist have, but, we also have intersections/turn lane issues.
    3) Just another "big government" law, not to be enforced but to "protect" the sheeple from themselves......which is really by biggest issue here (just had to write # 1 & 2 to entertain myself.....hehe)
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    Good grief! I'm sure there is already a law that covers intentionally hurting a biker. Stupid waste of time, taxpayer dollars again. Ridiculous!
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    @norezen aren't there already laws for that too? Manslaughter, bodily harm? There is always civil recourse as well.
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    @norezen "unintention" actions are commonly called accidents. There is then generally then fault (or a percentage of fault) assigned to each driver/rider and then handled in civil court. If, at the time of the accident, one of the drivers/riders are found to have violated a traffic law, then LEO's will ticket that offender. A bike, motorcycle, auto, truck are all treated as moving vehicles.
    This law is nothing more than fodder as there are already laws that prohibit the flow of traffic!
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    @stepped_in_it The law makes it so even if an accident doesn't occur the behavior is still punished. Like a drunk driving or texting while driving law.
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    @norezen So, opening a door is against the law? HMMM......glad I drive a rag top and a wrangler w/o doors. I'm too old to climb out windows! <sarcasm w/ a grin>
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    I see we're still intent on introducing and passing bills that should otherwise be considered common sense or courtesy. I actually know women who still enjoys gentlemen opening and holding doosr for them.
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    We have way too many laws and rules on the books right now mainly because our politicians want to give us all the false impression that we are actually paying then to do something constructive. I'd really prefer that they'd spend more of their time repealing trivial laws instead of constantly making new ones.
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    If you think about it laws against murder would be unnecessary if common sense wasn't uncommon and if courtesy wasn't rare. Since people can be harmed in this instance from lack of courtesy it makes. On the other hand if bikers being hurt by it is rare it may just be a way to get more ticket money.
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    And you consider holding a door open for a woman the type of dooring this law is meant to address? The slogan to get people to stop breaking the door: every date: a crime. Is your girl worth it? Think of the pressure it will add on women to put out...
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    @PoliticalSpice - O Crap!! I just noticed my boo-boo, Spice, and how unrelated my comment was to the post subject. I need to clarify that I meant holding a door open out of courtesy for a lady - NOT holding open a car door to ambush a cyclist. Thanks for helping to point that out, kinda. Man, I must not have had my thinking cap on. Either that or the coffee hadn't kicked in yet. lol
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    so courts will now be tied up with decisions on whether or not a car door was left open for an extended period of time? ridiculous.
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    Peterson hopes to shift "obligation and accountability for car-bicycle collisions to drivers". Really? Doesn't the obligation to avoid collisions exist for both parties and accountability for whoever is responsible for causing them? Maybe it's just how the wording strikes me but it seems biased towards the bicyclists who should be no less obligated or accountable than anyone else on a public roadway.
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    Bicyclists in my experience are obnoxous morons that do whatever they want. Swerve into road, ride side by side,,so four are in the road..I can see road rage with these idiiots and dooring. Its not funny but some people might get bs
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    Too many laws! Law this, law that. Common sense would tell people that the bigger the mode of transportation, the more right of way it has. Stupid people on bikes who don't watch out for traffic get knocked around. Natural Selection in action.
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    Stupidass unenforceable law. I look cause I don't want my door taken off. If I wanted to harm a bicyclist I can think of more entertaining ways. And how in the HELL are you gonna enforce such an idiot law?
  • #63
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    This is the most asininely unenforceable, therefore WORTHLESS law yet. In my state there is a huge fine for smoking within 25 feet of a public doorway. Walking into the courthouse will give you emphysema. To my knowledge the law has NEVER resulted in a ticket.
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    trying to be like ca? gov has to make laws to protect those who have no sense from themselves and others. ca,someone steps off a curb you better stop,even though common sense would say cars are bigger people on foot need to watch.
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    So keeping your door open near fast moving traffic and dangers these bicyclers more than the fast moving traffic somehow
  • #59
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    How about bicyclists who hit people in a crosswalk or ride between stopped cars? Go to The Netherlands and take a look at their system for cyclists.
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    Takes all the fun out of parking. A better bill would be to require cyclists to have one of those little horns with a tassel on the back.
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