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    If a restaurant wants to deny service to people because they're gay, white, northern, or any other reason, they should be able to, and their competition should have the right to reap the benefits.
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    If only that idea had ever worked... it did lead to "whites only" drinking fountains and the insanely wrong practices of segregation.
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    @DARSB Guessing that if the Federal Gov hadn't stepped in during the mid '60's, that "policy" would still be in full force today.....but that's only a guess.
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    @stepped_in_it
    Careful "Wise" one will take that as insult to the white race by an evil minority.
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    Well done richard hodo standing up for YOUR rights people should never be forced to accept homosexuality if they clearly do not agree with it.
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    We have to accept straight people. Anyways thats not how I wanted to start. Please, let me start over now. Most of the time you don't even know people are gay. What's the worse you ever see, honestly, them holding hands? Hugging? Hearing an I love you, or be careful? If they're mature adults, that is. Just like you don't see alot of straight couples making out when you go to the grocery store besides teens.
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    @theroadtohell1 No it doesn't clear it up. Why are you so emotional about this issue? So sensitive? Why would you care about it so much?
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    For me it's always it's always been a civil rights issue, and it's really creepy to hear people like this restaurateur using much the same language as Lester Maddux.
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    Well since its in my home state and i am not gay but they will never again see me in their Hating place.And i sugest that any Gay never ever eat their lets see how long that Great Policy stays in Place or just how long stay in existence.I live less then 10 min from that Dump.
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    A difference I find is that in this particular case the plan was said to be for a fund raising event which to my mind is altogether different from reserving a table for dinner or even a dining room for a meeting. Refusing service to an individual or to members of some specific group simply because they are of this or that persuasion in my opinion is discriminatory and wrong. But to refuse a "fund raising event" for not wanting the business to be seen as supporting or endorsing a particular viewpoint, I think, is not. Lester Maddox went out of his way to have his business involved in political issues where this business owner was doing the exact opposite.
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    @InjusticeSucks

    They didn't deny gays service. Serving a racist is very different than hosting a Klan rally don't you think?
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    it is 1 things to deny service to customers who walk in because they happened to be gay, it is quite a different things to refuse to allow a fundraiser for an organization that you do not agree with.

    if this restaurant owner had said "I will not allow a fundraiser for the NRA, because I am NOT in favor of assault weapons" NONE of you would have a problem with that...
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    My thoughts exactly....individual rights have nothing to do with group activism. Our country was founded with indivdual rights in mind. And, while groups have a right to gather in public for peaceful protests, they do not have a right to demand a meeting venue from a private business owner. What if an anti-gay group wanted to have a meeting in a gay owned business in San Francisco? How would that go over? Would liberals act the same about that?
    And, anyone who likens this to civil rights issues 50 yrs ago is absolutely wrong. The liberal idealogy that is popular today says that everyone must be FOR everything and they demonize anyone who is AGAINST anything. That flies in the face of individual rights.
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    They weren't refused service because they were gay, they were refused service because they wanted to hold a fundraiser to support their hate group. Period. Why does Politix contiuously have misleading/false polls accompanying their stories?
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    @OhWiseOne actually this is politix Mary's idea of journalism...

    She even got her graduate at an Ivy League school. Leads me to believe that anything from an Ivy League school is suspect at best.

    Trying to stay relevant Mary?
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    @Republican5001 I like Mary but you have a good point. I've never thought that Ivy League schools were the best in the nation. They just produce liberal zombies.
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    @Republican5001 I was wondering how far down I'd have to go to see an attack on @politixmary

    Is It her politcs or is it an issue with women in general? Is that why these stories on gay issues are so upsetting?
    I care less, maybe it's because I'm a lsbian trapped in a male body. Cann't resist the temptation to be with women.

    @ohwiseone you realize politix is based in san fransisco right? This is as biden would say a big f-ing deal there. Mystery solved.
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    This kind of discrimination wasn't right when it was practiced against blacks. This kind of discrimination wasn't right when it was practiced against native Americans. This kind of discrimination wasn't right when it was practiced against Asians. And this kind of discrimination isn't right now.
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    I agree with your every point, PN. Question - would the "Miss Black America" be discriminatory? Or "Mrs America"? Are beauty pageants discriminatory or merely sexist?
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    @Rocker Congressional Black Caucus too. No non-blacks allowed to join. Just imagine a Congressional White Caucus that allowed only white people. The sniveling would never end.
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    It's a privately owned business they can refuse service to whom ever they choose to. It wasn't because they were gay, it was because it was a fundraiser and they don't have to support their cause...NEWSFLASH...and I know it's hard for liberals to grasp...but people are going to disagree and not get along...there is never going to be a time where everyone sits around a campfire, toast marshmallows, and sing Michael Row The Boat Ashore.
    If I owned a business I would be damned if anyone told me how to run it or that I had to allow a certain organization hold a fundraiser there. If I footed the money and it was my business I would run it how I saw fit and if anyone didn't like it then they don't have to patronize my business.
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    Why should any business be forced to serve anyone? It's their business and they can serve whom they please. Don't like it? Open your own business. Simple really.
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    Opening your own business is not simple for anybody.
    And to think discrimination doesn't effect people's freedom ignores the bigger picture.
    If an entire town is racist you may have everything except the most run-down, poor businesses refusing service to black people. Then say housing discriminates and black people can only find menial labor. And no black person there has the resources to open anything other than a barbershop or a 7-11.
    Do you think this sort of situation would be fair and that we should just let it happen because this is how people choose to do business?
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    @CommonSense I think business owners should be free to serve whomever they choose. It's their business and not yours. If anyone doesn't like it they can open their own business.
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    @CommonSense I think you are getting it mixed up with the Jim Crow laws. Obviously I don't agree with discriminating against gays but this is a private business and interfering would be denying the owners individual rights. I'm sure there are plenty of other places that would welcome the additional revenue from the gay rights group.
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    @Ventric I think it is bigoted, hateful, spiteful and selfish and I DON'T agree with it, but it IS a private business. They can serve who they like. Fortunately, someone else made a lot of money that day.
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    Private Business. This bigot has the right to refuse service just as the bigots in the LGBT community have the right to not give him any business to begin with. And yes libs, it's "Fair"....
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    I think the owner has the right to refuse his services to anybody he doesn't want in his establishment. If people dont like it they can eat elsewhere. If we force that on a restaurant owner then whats next?
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    Nobody should be compelled to serve anyone when we have strong convictions that what they are doing is wrong. We have the right to sanction behavior we find inappropriate
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    Welp, I guess per Alabama's laws, the "right to refuse service" is not illegal. I have gave this same opinion before and got "treaded" on and I don't support it! My favor color is green (as in money). It seems to make me happy (who says money can't buy you happiness is broke). I don't care if my money wants to mess with other same sex money or have multiple partners of money as long as all the children are green also! This businessman must survive on his morals....it must be very difficult to pay his bills with those morals. I keep my morals to myself and pay my bills with (you guessed it) money!
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    @stepped_in_it Yes, 2010 ended the 136 years of Democrat Control of Alabama's House and Senate. Maybe they were uptight.
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    pathetic to see Arkansas hasn't progressed beyond the Woothworth - Greensboro sit ins of the 60's and have gone so far as to codifiy their narrow minded hatred. I guess serving gays is against their religion.- so dumb, don't they read their Bible. Do unto
    .. Love thy neighbor etc. They violate every aspect of Judiao Christian culture. I guess gaay should be thankful Sharia law hasn't take over Arkansas. Then the local yokels could kill gays legally. Give this restaurant a wedding cake!
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    He didn't want a fundraiser in his restaurant. It still is his resataunt. Pretty much case closed.
  • #96
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    Good for him!! Most decent customers wouldn't want to go out to eat and see a group like the kkk or gay rights holding a rally at the next table, he will gain more business than he loses, if I'm ever close to his restaurant I will be proud to take my family there!
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    Open a restaurant that serves only people who are JUST like you. No gays, no atheists, no blacks, no Buddhists, no nudists, no raw foodists, no democrats, etc. Then we are free to boycott you. Good luck with that!
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    Nothing like watching the left hen peck a story and blow something out of proportions and misrepresent it. Firstly good folks of the internet ethics brigade he refused to allow a gay groups fund raising, he didn't deny service to a gay individual, or a gay couple. Secondly, you start to open your doors to a huge can of worms when you letting special interest groups do their so called fund raisers inside your doors. It brings the kind of attention to your business that most of the time especially in small towns you do not want.
    Lastly, it seems to be one of the general stories of, OMG dis guy hurt da gay righz leaderz darz feelizn. Animelz, bigotz etc. Again, it has nothing to do with an individual but with a group fund raiser, i know it is much easier for you guys to cast out the word bigot and to act like they guy is scum of the earth rather then to look at the context and the fact he has not denied a single individual service. If it were you and it was a traditional family group wanting to do a fund raiser, gun rights group etc etc in your bakery would you deny any of them service? Would you deny Westboro? IF you can say you would deny any group, and granted most of you would not admit it you are no better or worse then this guy.
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    @PayThatCEO Its more a parody of leet speak that the children are using these days. Black speech is a good bit better then this, but they mostly substitute words like axe.
  • #192
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    I believe it should be illegal to refuse service to anyone because of their race, gender, sexual orientation.
    However, in this case, I believe the owner is refusing the fund raiser is for a political cause with which he does not agree. Like he said, he would not allow a KKK fund raiser, either. I think he is within his rights.
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    If it were my business I would open my doors when I felt like it and sell to whoever I wanted to. I am assuming this place is a family oriented business and that type of culture isn't where I would take my family.
  • #183
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    It's not a private club; it's a bistro.

    It may be legal to refuse gays, but it's also legal to protest. A nice demonsration outside on the sidewalk might make it a less-popular dining spot. And of crse, there's the ever-sneaky plan of dining there but only ordering whatever to free-refill fluids are available. That should be nice for his bottom line.
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    But the owner didnt really refuse to serve gay people, what he did was refuse to allow a political group to hold a fund raiser in his establishment. Not the same as denying service to a gay individual at all.
  • #198
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    Protests of Chick-Fil-A didn't hurt their business. That Friday they set a new world record for sales. The drive through in the two restaurants where I live had cars around the building twice. Their corporate policy on marriage hasn't changed either though it was erroneously reported that it did.
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    @cpeter133

    No he didn't do that either. He didn't refuse to serve gay customers and he didn't 'compare' them to the KKK either. This article was very misleading, on purpose in my opinion, to get a knee jerk reaction from people with poor reading skills.
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    White sheets and lynchings are akin to sexual deviancy and child molestation , which gays are most certainly linked to exclusively. You cannot deny that these perverts are an agenda group trying to force everyone to accept them as normal & they bully anyone who dares not to. If you don't support these sexual deviants you are called a bigot, really. I don't accept any sexual deviants as normal. That makes me normal!
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