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  • #46
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    Perhaps I am missing something here but exactly how do they plan to get the criminal to participate in all of these new restrictions, registrations, background checks, etc? It's a widely known fact that some people follow laws and others do not. Reminds me of our other attempt to deal with the meth problem by putting SudaFed and like products behind the counter, requiring an ID and the purchase are recorded and submitted to the government (I guess that's where it goes anyway). The effect of these new control means that I stand in Walgreen's and giving up all my info in order to get something for my allergies. The effect on the meth problem itself......zero, the effect on quieting those screaming that was must do something.......100% successful. For the politicians quiet citizens are a beautiful thing.
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    Perhaps I should have also mentioned that so many of our jobs we have sent to other countries many of our meth cooks setup shop in Mexico where it can be made better, faster and cheaper than in the US. Now let's all go pat ourselves on the back for taking action on this paramount problem.
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    @Buzzfriendly
    So you can't say with certainty that precursor laws had "zero" effect on meth usage. But you could say the effect, whatever it is, is not worth the inconvenience of waiting in line and showing your ID, iyo
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    If we don't register guns how will the federal gov't know whether or not we have them? But, how will me registering any weapons make kids safer?
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    How do you know someone who has a gun but shouldn't like the Arizona or Colorado shooters if you don't register guns? I am a gun owner and am not worried about confiscation of my guns. I support background checks, waiting periods and gun registration for all guns.
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    @jessejaymes Background checks let you know if someone shouldn't have a weapon. Will the folks with mental health and criminal backgrounds register their guns? I have plenty of firearms..why should I wait to get a gun if I clear a background check instantly? It certainly wouldn't give me any "cooling off" time because there are plenty of options.
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    Aside from Cuba, China, Russia, and most other totalitarian states...Registration leads to Confiscation...

    let's see...New Zealand, 1921 the ownership of revolvers were allowed in the name of personal defense, 1970s this list was used to confiscate all revolvers.

    Canada...registration list 1990s, old guns grandfathered in, but this list is used for the state to confiscate the guns upon the death of the holder with no compensation to the estate

    1996 Australia used it's list of registered semiauto hunting rifles to confiscate all those weapons.

    The UK government instituted handgun registration in 1921, and about every 10 years or so they further restrict what can be owned and use the registration rolls to collect what is illegal.

    How about Chicago, put in registration of long guns, used that same registration to confiscate semiauto long guns in the early 1990s

    What about California, couldn't make up it's mind if the SKS was covered or not (1989), decided AFTER the registration period was closed that they needed to be registered, declared a second 'grace period' for registration...then about 5 years ago they decided that those SKSs registered during the grace period were illegal because the grace period was illegal, and in certain cities and counties sent law enforcement to the listed addresses demanding surrender of the firearm. Because there is the legal option of removing the gun from the state of CA, and these officers had no warrants, smart gun owners turned them away with the claim 'I gave it to a relative in Oregon (or whatever)' but MANY were seized with no compensation.(Cities and counties later on offered compensation for anyone who had a receipt, but the police weren't giving out receipts, only a few people who demanded them had them and they were basically notes scribbled on whatever spare paper the officer had)

    Side Note, the SKS was the MOST common weapon in the hands of Korean Shop Owners who used them to defend themselves and businesses when the LA riots happened....

    If you think this president hasn't ambitions to do the same, may I suggest you leave that cave and roost that your pearched on...
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    This administration knows that gun bans have little effect, as indicated here......

    "Restrictive gun laws have been around for almost 100 years in England, and Malcolm reports that getting a permit requires proving to police that you have a “good reason” for needing a gun. Self defense is not considered to be a good reason in England. Following a 1987 shooting in the British town of Hungerford, the Brits enacted stricter controls. And in 1998, a near-total ban on gun ownership followed another mass shooting. Were these moves a success?

    Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time.

    There is little doubt that the Senate will soon put forth new legislation regarding gun ownership, especially as it relates to so-called assault weapons. However, those making the argument that banning guns has worked in places like Australia and England might be advised to check the statistics or risk looking foolish if they encounter someone armed with the facts."

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/28/wi...
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    Good post. But gun grabbers don't care about facts or saving lives or any of that. They simply want people disarmed, and they're trying to do it one law at a time, chipping away at the Bill of RIGHTS.
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    NO GUN UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS!! Registration has been the first step in confiscation in every country that has confiscated gun! I don't give a tinkers damn what he is saying about not violating the second amendment. That's the plan. Even if Obama isn't planning on it now, it would make easy for another president to do it. No! We won't do it. Then add the fact that it won't do any good anyway, we might as well scrap this now.
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    This is nothing short of the left's attempt at criminalizing Conservative gun owners. Take our guns and make us felons so we can no longer vote.
  • #292
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    Just another example of the government sticking their nose deeper into your business! Guns are already registered under current laws and all the weapons used in these crimes were register ... how did that save anyone? Criminals don't register stolen weapons so what is the point here? When they do get around to banning firearms like in other anti-firearms countries ... it helps to know who owns what when they come to confiscate them ... just as simple as that!
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    an excerpt from an article in the ny times shows exactly why gun owners are so against gun registration "suburban newspaper The Journal News published on Dec. 23 the names and addresses of gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland Counties, and put online a map showing the locations of the gun permit holders."
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    I'm telling everyone this. If you do not know how Obamacare works and what is in it, what makes you think they are going to tell you what is in the gun control laws? I'm telling you it's not going to be nice to lawabiding citizens, and yes the big C word has been mentioned several times by democratic lawmakers. And by the way I haven't heard Obama deny confiscation, or any other democrat!
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    Government is eroding our 2nd amendment rights one small step at a time. The government is not stupid they have an agenda, it will take a while but hopefully American's will stand up and fight for their 2nd amendment rights. If the liberal media would report on how a person protected his or her property because there was no cop around I think things would shake out a little different. There is a statistic that 4,000 crimes a day are stopped due to armed citizens protecting themselves or their property.
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    I wouldn't say "government" as I support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which IS the Government, but I'd replace that with "politicians" or more correctly, "crooked and evil politicians". It's the crooked lackey of Bloomberg, Soros, etc that are wanting to disarm the public.
  • #233
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    Obama is the modern day Hitler! If he thinks he can take our gun's he will no doubt about!
    Not just the assault rifles but all guns!!
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    "As of 2012, there are an estimated 2.5-3.7 million rifles from the AR-15 family in civilian use in the United States."

    Just think folks - if the Obama's gun-grabbing agenda goes through, he will essentially be making 2.5-3.7 million law-abiding gun owners criminals. It'll be a double win for the gun-grabbing left's agenda, because after these law-abiding American citizens get caught with the outlawed weapons, which they will no doubt refuse to give up, they will become felons and will no longer be allowed to guns at all. It's a the Government's and a gun-grabber's wet dream. So how about trying to tell us all again how Obama isn't trying to take our guns or our Constitutional rights?
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    There are an estimated 60-70 million so-called "assault weapons" in the US now, with an estimated 25-35 million people owning them. The AR-15 style rifle is just one of over 150 weapons now called "assault weapons". The logistics and political fury that would result in the banning, or registering/restricting, them at the national level would be huge!
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    I think gun registration and background checks are more than reasonable. And statistics say most people agree -- including most of the people in the NRA.
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    I fully support background checks. I am totally against registration because it serves no legitimate purpose. What would the gov't do with this information?
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    @Zazziness Sounds "reasonable". Google CoBIS and let me know what you find out. NY did exactly this and the results show how "well" this worked out.
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    @Medicinebow I had a gun stolen by an employee who walked out in one of our business locations. Because the gun was registered I got it back. That's one reason.
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  • #359
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    just like AZ's immigration law would lead to "racial profiling" this would indeed lead to disarmament of law abiding citizens.
  • #299
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    I'm all for mental and crimal back ground checks, but I would never trust the government with registration, and don't appreciate "assualt weapons" bans, mag restrictions, or tax hikes on ammo. The fools on here that think the government would never do this or that always amaze me.
  • #266
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    Freedom and LIBERTY are on the way out because liberals,socialist,statist and communist know what is good for the collective and to hell with the individual.
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