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    But how many of the gun murders were committed by known criminals and how many were first time crimes committed by "law abiding citizens"?
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    It would be stupid have laws prohibiting criminals from buying guns, the criminal won't follow the law.. great logic... keep selling guns in bulk so the criminals can buy them on the black market. The gun show and black markets are doing record sales
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    @Leftofliberal I've been arguing that same point since newtown. The gun nuts refuse to recognise that argument. You see, the ppl in the extreme right would rather see thousands killed every year than be inconvenienced.
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    @Leftofliberal
    Why not implement the laws already in the books? Why create more laws? Why not implement the punishments set forth on these laws. There are too many people getting slaps on the wrists while breaking laws.
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    @mtkopf
    I do not want to see thousands killed every year, however, the laws already on the books are far from being implemented. I am not worried about myself being inconvenienced, I do my gun buying completely by the books, and have no issues with background checks. I get one regularly... something having to do with my job of handling controled narcotics. Implement the laws, go forth with the punishments, try and stem the problem at the root, the criminals!!
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    Liberals are promoting gun control with the goal of curbing gun violence, they are using gun violence as a justification for taking away the guns of law abiding citizens. Once this happens the government will have even more power over its citizens. We cannot sit by and let the 2nd Amendment be repealed on our watch.
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    No one is repealing the 2nd. There should be restrictions to it just like there are restrictions on free speech, voting etc. which all happen to be rights given to us in the Constitution also.
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    @mtkopf - But in the 2nd Amendment it says that right shall not be infringed. Restrictions, infringement, all the same. These are not to be tolerated. No repeal of the 2nd Amendment on Neo's watch.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix As far as I know, no one is seriously considering repealing jack shit. This is more republitard paranoia, and there is zero basis for it. If you like the 2nd amendment so much, you need to adhere to ALL of it, including the part where it says "well-regulated." You teatards like the "no infringement" part, but refuse to be well-regulated. On MY watch, that nonsense IS coming to an end.
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    S,@Neo_NtheMatrix so arm everyone with RPGs, tanks, maybe C-4. Those are already restricted.

    Our society has shown time and again that ppl cannot be trusted with certain weapons. Your "right" to own an assault style rifle has infringed on 26 people's rights to LIVE. The right to live outweighs your right to own certain weapons.

    But, while I, as a gun owner, do not see a need for anyone to own assault style rifles, I am not calling for a ban on them. I only want a ban on clip size, registration of weapons, universal background checks, and mandatory reporting of lost, stolen, or sold firearms. Those laws are not "infringing" or "restricting" your right to own your weapons.
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    I don't know why people think gun owners have so much power. Apparently if I get rid of MY guns, people will stop committing crimes with firearms. People will also stop committing suicide! Yeah, that's a lot of power. Too bad it's not true. I'll keep my guns. I'm not responsible for the actions of strangers. I'm responsible for protecting myself and my family.
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    These kind of stories lead the left down the inevitable path of total confiscation. The reasoning being that if gun control laws only affect law abiding citizens then we'll simply have to get rid of all guns. It is a flaw ingrained into their DNA.
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    The DNA of leftist is ingrained with respect for the political power of guns. Again you confuse the left with liberals. The Veitnamese, the Sandanistas, Fidel castro and his guerrilla army, Mao, all leftist with guns. Liberal democracy is part of capitalism. Liberals support gun control. Leftist oppose capitalism. We have no illusions that capitalist will use force to stop social change. The left believes in the ballot or the bullet. The left beleives in change by any means necessary. The left understands political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Hopefully we can bring about the change non-violently, but only a fool thinks the left is for gun control.
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    noone has called for total confiscation of guns... noone... but here's proof that morons shouldn't be allowed to own one:
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/17/man-ar...

    now that i think about it, though, it's not a bad idea. what if they made it illegal to buy, sell or own a gun or ammunition of any sort everywhere in the u.s. with strong penalties such as seizure of all real properties, vehicles and sporting goods to be sold by law enforcement agents to cover all costs of prosecution, and prison time for any infraction?

    if you needed a gun for hunting, then, you could apply to rent one during hunting season and, if you can prove that you need to hung for wild animals for subsistence rather than buying your meat in a store your name would be (if you qualified) entered into a lottery and if your name were to be drawn you would receive an authorised hunting weapon along with your license and a proscribed number of bullets or cartridges. then you'd have to return it at the end of the season along with any unused ammunition and proof of kill if and when you made your legal kill limit.

    how's that work for ya?
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    @dances-weebles - I suppose this idiotic post is supposed to masquerade as intelligent. I'm glad you fled to another continent. Your type of thinking terrifies me.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix Evidently he's bored or loves posting idiotic posts, just to create controversy, just ignore.
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    At what point do people comprehend, that this is NOT !! about laws, its about
    CONTROL !! or "To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct "
  • #32
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    Gun control only affects law abiding citizens! Criminals will always be able to get whatever gun they want! There are already gun control laws that aren't even being enforced. This issue is a waste of time, energy and money that all could be used to address more important matters right now!
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    We should be so lucky - that pushing ever-more gun-control laws is merely "a waste of time". Those who promote civilian disarmament know full well that it facilitates the criminals - resulting in more violent crime. And they also know that all the time, effort, and resources, expended - are an excellent investment (in their mind) in furthering their ultimate objective of subjugating all Americans. In fact, they are delighted knowing that they can make us pay for our own demise.
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    This seems obvious. Criminals are more afraid of citizens with guns than police. We have crime problem. Not a gun problem.
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    Another D'oh moment for the Liberals. The problem is you can never argue with someone you need to educate first, and the liberals cannot be educated.
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    So they tried to stop drinking with prohibition,the drug war from the 70s both failed.Those un afraid to break the law will,those that would follow the law would give up their right to defend themselves when the police or the government cant.Get real look at Chicago for proof of gun control reducing gun violence.
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    If you are such an expert on Chicago, living in Florida and all, why don't you explain why Chicago has a high murder rate. Explain to us all why gun control laws don't work here.
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    @mtkopf,
    Since YOU are the one promoting failed policies, the burden of "explaining" the failure is on YOU. Even so, it isn't hard to explain. Everyone with even a moderate capacity for rational thought understands it intuitively.
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    @mtkopf,
    Indeed, everyone everywhere (except you) has "figured out" that water runs down-hill in Chicago - and that it's dark there at night - and that criminals disobey laws. You keep trying mtkopf, someday even you might be able to comprehend the universally-obvious.
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    The Democrats want to completely disarm average American citizens of all firearms for some reason. What is the reason? Well there could be many reasons, and they are all sinister.

    Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it."
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    Gun control has nothing to do with crime control. It never did! Stumble on that once, ok, honest mistake, it was worth a try. Try pushing it on us again, shame on you. Something sinister is a foot!
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    Of course it doesn't work, all it does it make it harder for people to protect themselves from the criminals. It is just like all the opposition to castle doctrines, they do not think people should be allowed to defend themselves.
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    All of these gun control measures they want to put in place, will not keep the gang members, thugs, drug smugglers, etc.. from getting them. They talk about registering guns. Please someone give us the numbers that show how many of the (let's use Chicago) deaths so far this year were from legal gun owners. Of those deaths, how many happened because of self defense. I would be willing to bet that the percentages for both part will be extremely different from each other.
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    No. And the report "Crime and Justice in the United States, and in England and Wales", US Bureau of Justice Statistics, Publication No. NCJ-169284, and MANY OTHER research publications by US Bureau of Justice Statistics, Office of Justice Programs, National Institute of Justice (all US Department of Justice agencies) SAY SO. This is why we have a ban on federal research on firearms. The statistics just don't back what the special interests demanding more gun control want. If the US Department of Justice cannot be made to cook their books to please these folks, then the next best thing is to dry up their funding so the "inconvenient truths" won't hamper them and they can rely on a handful of isolated, albeit horrible tragedies to base their arguments. Violent Crime in England, and other places where very restrictive gun control has been enacted, has exploded. That's one reason England is experiencing such a brain drain to the USA along with very high taxation and restrictive personal freedoms. Don't take my word for it. See the reports for yourself at the web site:
    http://assaultweaponsbanof2013.blogspot.com You can even download them free!
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    Thank you for the excellent references. I will endeavor to employ them.

    It is my understanding that the "ban on federal research" applies only to the CDC - regarding their illicit attempts to treat all gun-shot injuries (including justified shootings) as a "national epidemic" requiring federal intervention to control the "spread" of the "disease". Congress has wisely denied the CDC funding for "researching" this nonsense.

    Are there other bans on research - besides the one on the CDC?
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    @thumper11 Thank you for the kind words. I believed the ban extended to the USDOJ as well. Last week I received an email from the folks at NCJRS (National Clearinghouse of Justice Research Statistics) soliciting individuals to research firearms and violence in the USA. So, either the ban is in effect for USDOJ and they are trying to use a loophole and use statistics provided by 2nd parties which they would be willing to pay for, or they are being pressured to farm out their research (which worries me a great deal, as they may be manipulated by private parties with sinister personal agendas!) If I find out, I'll post here. I agree with you on the CDC. Google:
    Wikipedia+list of rampage killers. Note all the different categories and note that ASIA AND OCEANIA (the Pacific Rim Countries) have MORE incidents of such violent mass murders than the US does. Also note RED CHINA where in 2010, such a mass killing took place in spite of the TOTAL BAN on the private ownership of firearms. Also, note Norway's Utoey Island (near Oslo) incident on July 22, 2011. A mad-dog racist murdered 77 TEENAGERS and wounded 259 after passing every single restrictive requirement the Norwegian government demanded of him-almost a mirror image of what Sen. Feinstein wants for US gun owners. Thanks again!
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    "Jacoby argues the only people who obeyed the law were law-abiding citizens, not criminals." If only our politicians had taken a reading comprehension class or 2. Let's make laws that make it tough to own guns. Everybody will abide by them.....yeah RIGHT! Criminals are called criminals because they don't follow your silly laws.....dipsh1ts
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    Yet another guy who just seems to miss the entire point of "gun control". The point of limiting high-capacity magazines and some "military style assault weapons" is not to "reduce crime" its to limit the number of people who may be killed or maimed when one of these mass shootings again happens in a school or movie theater.

    The idea is not centered around reducing crime---There, unfortunately, will always be crime and criminals. But to prevent a mass-shooter from being able to mow down hundreds and hundreds of innocent lives in a matter of seconds. If high-cap. magazines were restricted, and the mass-killer had 10 rounds in his clip..then it just might be possible to stop this guy from killing more than 10 people, once he has to stop to reload his weapon. I don't even want to see 1 person hurt or killed in my aforementioned example, but limiting the number of bullets in some high-capacity magazine---will indeed save lives...So once again, this guy simply just missed the who point of what is now being proposed as "gun control".
  • #16
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    As an avid shooter and with a 10 shot clip I am able to change out a 10 round clip with a new in less than 5 seconds.Do you really think 3 seconds matter when the intent is to kill or maim?So now what make a 1 shot clip ? It will still take only seconds to reload.
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    "just might be possible to stop this guy from killing" I'm not willing to give up my 2 puny "peashooters" for the term "MIGHT". Take away the assault guns and hi cap mags and the determined will find another way! A pump shotgun, a couple decent double action revolvers and some "quick" loads for them will do pretty much the same!
    I don't own "assault" guns or hi cap mags. Don't truly understand them and the need for ownership of them! But, I firmly believe that if all were turned in today, we would still have a "mass murder" spree within months. The determined will make do!
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    @miketost Yes I do. In fact, as the mass-shooter in the Giffords mass-shooting was attempting to reload---he was stopped by civilian by-standers before he could do so.
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    @stepped_in_it I'm not sure what you mean by your "peashooters"--but no one has demanded that you give them up. And if "quick loads" need to be addressed then so be it. None of that has anything to do with what I wrote before.
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    @Sonny 1thousand and one one thousand and 2 one thousand and 3 do you really think in 3 seconds they stopped him?In the time it took you to count was only 2 seconds for an avid shooter to reload.Fortunately this fool had not practiced.
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    Gun Control is about one thing and that's control kind of like obamacare. All they want to do is take away more rights from Americans.

    With all the millions and millions of guns and high capacity mags, in our country what good will it do? The government can't get them from all the gangs and people like that because no one knows where their guns are at. The only guns they can get are legal guns. Gun control is not about gun control it's people control. Wake up gun control nuts.
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