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    What underminds the case for everything that requires responsibility is the simple fact that we do not attack the irresponsible, instead, we attack the conduit used by those that disregard the laws of our society.
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    Nobody has proven to me that the issue is Dem/Repub, Lib/Conserv, Black/White yet. From what I've seen it can span all the above in pro and con.
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    It would require that we admit gun control doesn't work. Until we admit its a crime/mental health problem nothing will change. They want control. Gun control. And as long as they have crime they can point at law abiding citizens and blame them because they own guns. Prosecute criminals and treat mental Health correctly and you would see some real change.
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    @harold_lloyd I want to blame poverty too. Everything else being equal, money buys happiness and happy people rarely go shooting places up.
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    While I am a conservative and heavily for the 2nd amendment, blaming videogames for violence linked to the use of a firearm, like the Sandy Hook incident, is outrageously retarded.

    That's like saying the aroma of food makes people fat, instead of the fork. Both being retarded arguements.
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    Well adam lanza spent most of his time in a windowless room playing violent video games totally withdrawn from all Society.

    I wont quote your offensive words, but for anyone to deny a correlation between his sickness and the violent video games is simply ignorant. that doesn't mean everyone who plays these type of games will be a mass murderer, but people who are already mentally deficient as he was has no business playing those games or handling firearms.
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    We need to admit its a crime problem and start prosecuting criminals. It's not gun owners or video games. Kids are learning that they can get away with crime at a young age. And they won't get in much trouble.
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    @bsking If you can my statement, you'd know I did not advocate that there was no relationship; but that blaming videogames for the cause of violence "is simply ignorant".
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    Actually it is more like saying that the aroma of food makes people want to eat, or that pictures of naked women make men want to have sex.
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    Attacking violent video games and movies doesn't undermine the case for gun rights. It just shows both sides lack of interest in personal responsabilty and their regard for the constitution. After all, what difference does it make what side your on, both the first and second ammendment are in our Bill of Rights.
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    Years ago there was a short essay entitled "Children Learn What They Live". What kids are living vicariously is an incredible amount of violence, murder and mayhem. The stuff may sell, and of course it is legal, but it's poison as surely as soda pop and if we ban the one, soda pop, and allow the other, the depictions of violence, we are doing grave harm to our children. If we had any sense we would simply pull it all off the shelves and voluntarily get rid of it. All of it. Hollywood used to know how to tell a story without gratuitous sex and violence; now it panders to the immaturity of the population.
    Here is the essay. Note number two.
    http://www.empowermentresources.com/info2/chi...
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    You may have a point but I think it even goes farther. Kids are not punished for misbehaving. Teens are not punished for juvenile crimes and 18 year olds are not prosecuted for committing crimes. We are not teaching responsibility.
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    @NTBFW I agree. Adults who do not want to be responsible for themselves certainly won't teach responsibility to their children.
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    Cities are not more safer than they were 50 or 100 years ago this guy is an idiot. gun safe zones... more realistically, gunless "victim zones" are perfect hunting grounds that have been stocked by Liberal Democrats and ridiculous gun control laws, with multitudes of unarmed victims which perfectly suits the mentally d eranged Mad Men who seek out their victims based on their inability to defend themselves.
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    Cities are not safer now, and it's drugs, unemployement, lack of adequate prison systems, failed parenting, and gangs. They take all these regulations and aim them at the lawabiding citizen rather than go after gangs and enforce the sentences and laws on the books. Then you have welfare recepients popping out babies like M&Ms pouring out of a one pound bag. They take their welfare money and buy drugs enforcing the cycle of death and murders. But it's easier for the government to add more laws than to actually adress the problem.
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    @MadAmerican

    I agree and the laws that are being added aren't directed at those causing the problem.

    I realize we have two violent gun issues going on in America. We have street violence, that has been a growing concern for years. Then we have spree killers and it's these nuts who have drawn attention to violence in general. In America, it's OK if violence is contained to the inner city. No one cares about them anyway. We didn't even care when it spilled over into a peaceful Amish schoolhouse...those weren't OUR children.

    But when it is OUR children, only then do we come to life and attempt to suddenly fix a problem that's been raging for too long. We now have an epidemic of violence in this nation. We ARE the most violent country in the industrialized world. Blame guns? In the case of the mass killers, maybe. But gun violence in general is created by violent people. We ARE violent people, plain and simple.

    Has anyone even discussed the idea of criminal action against people who use guns to commit violent acts? Nope. Not at all. The only thing talked about is more gun regulations. That might (the key word is "might") stop a couple of crazy spree killers, but it's certainly not going to stop the overall violence that plagues our nation.

    Not until we put legislation into place to severely punish those who use guns to murder, rob and terrorize others will we start to see this type of violence decline.
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    @PayThatCEO I mispoke-they are not safer! My mistake, now the man's prayer.....I'm a man......... I can change........if I have to.........I guess.....Amen
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    I vote for leaving video games and guns alone, both. If a video game caused someone to commit a violent crime, they had a screw loose to start with.
    Don't blame guns and video games. Blame genetic disasters.
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    It really is a deflection yet again. Many, if not most, of the people committing these crimes may have not had a violent past, but they expressed violent tendencies and mental instability. I think the discussion should go to the elephant in the room and that is why are we allowing the mentally unstable to continue to be integrated into society? I know the political reasoning behind it, because our politicians on both side fought oh so hard to integrate these people, thinking that interaction with "normal" people will somehow make everything good. I don't know what a solution would be that is reasonable because I am no expert in psychology, but there is enough evidence to support that something has to be done with these people. Take Lanza for example, the guy had a website dedicated to supporting and worshiping Satan, even your most anti-religious persons don't even do this without satire, this was the real thing. Loughner, well you can just read up on that nutcase, and then there's the Colorado shooter, same thing. Again, not all, but many have past issues and we disregard it because bleeding hearts will scream and yell if we discriminate. You can blame it on pharma all you want, but again, I think that's a deflection.
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    That's a valid point I've been talking about criminals and haven't really considered the mentally ill. It's so hard to predict what a crazy person will do. But we can do something about crime. Would you agree that crime and mental health should be addressed equally?
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    I do believe some individuals are unable to differentiate between reality and fantasy...this is where movies and video games could be held responsible to a point...it still comes down to parenting...
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    He is right. It's not video games and gun control isn't the answer. It's a CRIME PROBLEM. Not a gun problem. I know of two young kids that were caught red handed with stolen guns almost $30,000 worth and at least that much in prescription pills. They both had been arrested as minors for breaking into a POST OFFICE and nothing was done to them. One got probation and the other got four months. Within three weeks of getting out he broke into a club and got 30 days. Now they could have gotten fifty plus years for the guns and drugs. But they were not prosecuted. These young kids are being taught that they won't be punished for their crimes. There is your problem.
    I spoke to my sheriff the other day and he said if he could get 5% of the county population prosecuted and put away, he could cut crime here by 95%. His numbers may be off a few points but he is right. He keeps arresting the same people over and over. Until we address the crime problem things are not going to change. Beating up gun owners won't effect crime at all. We have to be careful not to get in trouble so we don't lose our right to own them. It just pisses me off when a criminal commits a crime and law abiding citizens get blamed.
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    I used to like to play Super Mario Bros Kart but that don't mean I'm into road rage. That 8 and 16 bit game platform was best anyhow.
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    AMEN..And there are countless others out here that feel the same. We grew up playing and some still play. And it was anything to see a gun in a rack of a truck in the school parking lot. We were raised with values and morals.If someone can't telll the difference between real life and a movie or video game The parent or parents have failed in their role.
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    Look at it this way. Guns have been around America for a very long time, and gun laws were relatively relaxed in the USA up until the 1960s without these heinous mass shootings and daily body counts in places like Chicago. The one thing that has NOT been around a very long time and only since these body counts and mass shootings are: 1) CRACK COCAINE 2) EXTREMELY VIOLENT & GRAPHIC MOVIES 3) EXTREMELY VIOLENT & GRAPHIC VIDEO GAMES.
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    Lots of graves in Tombstone to prove that, in fact, gun violence has been going on in America long before movies or video games.
  • #53
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    Rational people want to address anything that increases violence in soceity. No one thing is the problem. Only unparented kids are watching those ultra violent movies to excess. They are only part of the problem. America wants some gun control. We just have to find a happy medium which is ONLY unacceptable to the My Way or the Highway Freaks.
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    Every sociopath is not a serial killer. But every serial killer is a sociopath. Every video game player is not a gangsta but every gangsta is a video game player.
  • #69
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    Not necessarily. He's managed to make thinly veiled public threats of violence against both our president and our country. Talk about hurting the cause? Ted Nugent *really* does not help it.
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    @AntiPorcheria Naw. Bill Ayers was old news by then, with his revolutionary younger days well behind him. Unfortunately, age has not brought calm or wisdom to Mr. Cat Scratch Fever.
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    @Zazziness - Perhaps. But the point was solid. Mr. Ayers bombs killed two of his associates while being created. Mr. Nugents guns have killed no one. Ironic point.
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    @AntiPorcheria Not really a point at all. I get so tired of this childish "This conservative is horrible but hey, I don't have to be concerned about that because this leftist was horrible." (No matter how far back or unrelated you have to go to get an example.) Ted is here, today, making decent people think "You know, if he represents the way gun enthusiasts think, maybe it would be better if their ownership was restricted."
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