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  • #17
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    Just as a voice in the wilderness here I ask two questions. 1.) When is the last time a pregnant woman shot up a school, a political rally or a movie theatre? Actually the first question is when has a pregnant women shot up ANYWHERE? My second question is this. 2.) Have all of you forgot about the LAPD unloading on a pickup that was the wrong color, the wrong size and had the wrong race of people in it from the person they thought they were unloading on? I don't think we need law enforcement being more willing to shoot. I think LESS would be more appropriate.
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    Well if citizens shouldn't have semi auto weapons (I don't feel this way but a lot of people on these boards do!) then the LA shooting incident proves law enforcement doesn't need such weapons either. Maybe Biden should just get rid of all semi auto pistols and rifles for law enforcement and the secret service and give them all double barreled shotguns since he feels that's all you need for protection.
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    @DrNickels I have an AR-15. Let them come and find it. I don't' care. they won't. Because I don't abuse it and I don't run around flapping my gums about what a billy bad ass I am with my guns like right wingers do. (shrug).
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    Can't help but wonder what the hell she was thinking those last minutes. Big time mistake on her part.
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    @callmecrazy - No doubt. Very sad. But IMO the cops can't hesitate and be effective. I just don't submit to conclusion jumping, auto blame or conspiracy theories.
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    "some women wind up being stupid, pregnant and aggressive"
    That is FAR less likely than Mr. AntiPorcheria going on a machete-slashing-rampage at the local day-care center. A single solitary incident does NOT constitute a trend.
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    Really, you expect a thinking person to buy that??? Look at the entire series of target photo's (and the recessed background), you have average citizen obviously inside their own homes. It is not just a pregnant woman in the target... look at the recessed background... she is in a nursery... Police officers are not automatically more valuable than the general public... you took an oath to protect and serve. These targets are about desensitizing law enforcement... if you cannot see that then you are the EXACT type of officer the public should be worried about. I know many good officers and they are appalled at these types of targets, why aren't you???
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    There is a reason that police, swat, and military are practicing more and more often with "desensitizing" props like this. Look it up for yourselves if you don't believe this ex-military and law enforcement officer.
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    Has anyone had a gun pointed at them? I have.....3 times in my life. The only thing I saw was the gun. It is amazing what focus you suddenly have when that gun is pointed at you! From 5 feet, I could see the rifling of the barrel clear as a bell. If I was an LEO, that is what I'd see.
    Now, I know some will be (mildly put) extremely upset about this use of pictures. Tough. This is what the world has come to.......live with it!
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    @stepped_in_it In the course of fulfilling a lawful duty I could understand dropping anybody, but the type of desensitation is preparation for something else. If I were a cop I would not have a problem shooting a pregnant woman if I had to. I would have a problem training on those targets. The question would be the why they might want me to train on them.
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    During my deployment to Iraq a common tactic was for them to send children, handicapped children and use pregnant women as suicide bombers. Sick people exist in the world, people do crazy things and you have to be able to react to it. Fortunatly i was never put into a situation i had to pull the trigger on a child but i have a friend who was and he is damaged beyond repair because of it.
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    Hmm... okay, prolifers, if a cop kills a pregnant woman and the fetus is also lost, is the cop then an abortionist, too?
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    nothing in this story about how many targets Law Enforcement Technologies has sold to the Department of Homeland Security. there is another one of a young mother on a playground with a pistol in one hand and her daughter's hand in the other. fascinating.
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    Gettings those cops ready for any possible revolts to the statist take over of the people.......cool!!!
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    They're probably the reason those yahoos in California riddled an SUV with 2 Hispanic women aboard with bullets in a panic shooting incident during the Chris Dorner hysteria. By all means, let's get them conditioned to shooting at MORE WOMEN, especially pregnant ones and kids as well! Unbelievable!
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    Those of you who voted for "they are needed"... You are all sick!!! I hope they are thinking of you and your family while they are shooting at them!!!
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    I wonder what the thought would be if we started training with police and government agent targets to do some desensitizing of our own?
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    I don't like them but bad people do come in all shapes and sizes. In fact it's not uncommon during domestic dispute arrests for the victim to attack the cops when they start to take their man away. So they do serve a useful purpose. It's terrible that they are useful but they are a good training tool. If nothing else it helps officers to be more aware and can possibly not have to shoot someone. I would never use them in any civilian class.
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    @wonka45ACP For shooting a paper target of a cop? I can only hope they would, I could use the cash!
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  • #109
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    You must practice for all situations! Kids (under 18) are shooting people and killing them. You need to wake up and realize even the pregnant crack whores are a threat! I guess the rest of you feel it's ok for a preggo or juvenile to shoot our policemen and firemen, or anyone else. Think about what the police go through on a daily basis, dealing with the ass scabs of society.
  • #94
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    Now we know who they're planning to use the 2-Billion rounds of hollow-points on. They have enough to double-tap every man, woman, and child in America - TWICE - with 600 Million rounds left over.
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    To a police officer going home at the end of his shift should be priority one....sadly if the situation presents itself that he must kill a pregnant woman, a minor or a 80 yr old grandmother, I would hope he would put 2 in the chest.... If he doesn't stop that threat then he has failed at his job and possibly lost his life.
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    I don't think this is as new a concept as we imagine. My father flew with SAC during the Korean War and was trained for much worse. Imagine the training needed to be prpared to drop a bomb on human beings that would kill millions. If more of this type of training had been done for soldiers in Vietnam Nam, maybe the ones who were forces to kill women and children there wouldn't have had such a hard time letting go of their personal horror!
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    Except these targets are intended for civilian police officers in residential America - not for active-duty combat soldiers at war in hostile enemy territory. That said, perhaps they're revealing their future intentions with this stunt.
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    @thumper11 anytime you have to draw your gun due to an attack with a weapon capable of causing lethal harm it is active duty combat. It doesn't matter if you are LEO, private citizen, or military, you have a duty to try and return to your spouse and children.
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    @Drake_Burrwood
    Actually, my father was taught to survive for the good of the country. We were taught what to do if a bomb landed at Oak Ridge, as opposed the HAAP, or Eastman Chemical Plant because if he wasn't already dead he probably wouldn't come home until the unrest was over. We were to do what needed to be done as long as we could. I will always love President Ronald Reagan!
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    @Drake_Burrwood,
    The first duty and priority of all policemen is to protect and serve the public. I believe most swear an oath to that effect. Yes, it is often a dangerous and hazardous job, but they knew that when they signed up. As long as they have a badge, they are (properly) expected to risk their own safety and their own life, in order to serve the people. If they can't (or won't) do that, then we (the people) have no use for them whatsoever.

    The seven "LEO's" who wildly shot-up the car (with the two little old ladies in it) in LA - demonstrated that your kind of "LEO" poses a much greater threat and danger to the public, than the criminals they were hired to apprehend. Your "LEO's" are nothing more than brutal street-thugs operating with impunity under false color-of-law.
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    A cop shopuld not hesitate to protect his life, regardless of who is holding the gun. They have a right to go home at the end of their shift. Hesitating out of misplaced sentimentality could get them a trip in a body bag.
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    I'm sure those two old Latino women in Los Angeles out at 5:00 a.m. delivering papers for about 8 cents a paper that got shot up by the LAPD would appreciate your sentiments.
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    @jessejaymes Exactly. Or the dozens of unarmed black men murdered by NYC police in the past decade who shoot them by "accident." cops need to learn to hesitate, long enough to be sure it is a gun is being aimmed, instead of a person holding a cell phone or wallet.
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    @jessejaymes that problem seems to me to be that when that vehicle appeared, the LEO's present knew that that vehicle was a valid target. Law enforcement is a team effort, someone outside the area miss communicated. Or not. Depends on things I doubt I'll ever know.
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    Teaching law enforcement not to feel anything before shooting the most vulnerable people.
    Law enforcement is already often too heavy handed in their tactics. Suppressing basic human empathy in cops will only lead to tragic situations where a cop kills someone unarmed. This program could transform cops into sociopaths, as if we don't already have enough of a problem with sociopaths getting onto the police force.
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    The question of a sociopath's feelings is not before but after. During combat training takes over to keep you alive; avoiding placing a possible target so as firing with a crowd as a back stop, during disarm practice avoiding handing the weapon back to your practice partner. What you feel afterward when your life is no longer threatened that is the difference between a sociopath and others. Some one with little training will do what emotion and thought leads but that takes more time often more then exists.
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    @Drake_Burrwood
    Regardless it's possible some might be imprinted with the message in a way that biases cops towards shooting even when it isn't necessary.
    If they contextualized the target practice, added a plot line with characteristics that should tell the cop whether or not he needs to shoot then that would be even more sophisticated training and it would both reduce the risk of the cop not shooting when he needs to and the risk of the cop shooting unnecessarily.
  • #157
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    @CommonSense years ago I took part in training for work based on a US postal service law enforcement training system, with an insert for a firearm and a hard drive that created what would now be a live filmed "video game". There is right brained "thinking" and left brain, in combat you have to react to patterns and react quickly. A bullet whizzes by your head, a belligerent man suddenly draws a knife and charges, to many choices and its you bleeding out in the grass.
    But yes care has to be taken in creating any training set up or unintended problems can appear.
  • #8
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    I have respect for most law enforcement officers but tell me what are the numbers of threats that they confront by this class that would require the use of such targets.Seems as thou it is just another way to desensitize the police for what lies ahead.
  • #32
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    @dances-weebles Why, total govt takeover and suspension of all our constitutional rights, according to Conspiracy Theorist Daily, of course. You dont subscribe?
  • #48
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    @tgirl2 you missedAmerican Thinker.com . current lead tale. Some great conspiracy tales here.
    The Endgame for the Destruction of the United States
    Daren JonescuAmerican Education: Rotting the Country from the Inside
    This one is for MIA
    Forfeiting Freedom by Mass Neurological Dysregulation
    In order to maintain political freedom in the United States, a prevalent number of American brains must be capable of understanding, adhering to, and fighting for a secular scripture: the unalterable Declaration of Independence, which defines God-given rights, and the Constitution, which provides the legal framework for a limited government that enables individuals to actualize those rights. This methodology of freedom-keeping is similar to religion in that it is based on following exalted documents. But unlike authoritarian forms of religion, there is no excommunication for negating those writings. We are free to forfeit our freedom.
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    OOPS - clicked on the wrong button. These targets are totally inappropriate and contrary to police training.
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