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    Society is fine with protecting our money, gold, banks, casinos, themeparks, retail stores, nightclubs, and streets and towns with armed guards and police, yet balk at protecting our children with the same? There is a disconnect there. Armed faculty and/or administration is the most efficient and quickest/best way to respond to a dangerous threat.
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    Yeah, you think that it is a great idea to spend more federal funds on a new program, except for when you are complaining about government spending, like in this comment: "These radical democrats are spending this country into GREECE." Spending the US into bankruptcy is okay if the NRA suggests doing it, huh?
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    @Dan_Tien
    I would much rather they spend our tax dollars keeping children safe than on aborting them!!
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    @Vance1 Trying to combine too separate issues in order to justify one? The NRA is only asking to add more spending to pay for their suggested program of armed school guards, they are not suggesting removing funds from one program to fund another. Would you also rather "spend our tax dollars keeping children safe" than using them to subsidize gun makers?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-makers-get...
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    @Vance1 By the way, the total number of public schools as of 2009 was 98,706.
    http://www.edreform.com/2012/04/k-12-facts/

    "...a crude estimate for the overall bill for the placing of an armed guard in every US school could be as much as $7.2bn. If the government only had to cover public schools, the total could be a minimum of $5.4bn."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/21/n...

    So much for apples. As for oranges: "With a total budget of some $1.1 billion, more than a third of which comes from the federal, state and local governments, Planned Parenthood offers family planning, H.I.V. counseling, treatment for sexually transmitted diseases, cancer screening and other services as well as abortions, mainly to low-income women. Congress has long barred the use of federal money for abortion, but it provides more than $75 million a year to Planned Parenthood affiliates to support family planning for low-income women. Millions more in federal dollars are provided for sex education and, indirectly, through Medicaid and other programs."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/us/politics...
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    @Fishbone345 After reading your last comment I have visions of some of the right wing posters here picturing an anvil falling on my head.
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    I think it is a great idea. If it is good enough for the presidents kids comgress ' kids it.is good enough for mine. My children's and everybody else children's safety is more important than that bunch of ass clowns.
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    @Vance1 yes. You would think they would be against it. Look at all the votes they are not able to buy.if they stopped it they might never be voted out of office again.
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    There is a clear and continuous danger to the kids of high officials that simply doesn't exist for the average person.
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    The only thing I worry about - if the gov't funds this they will demand to run it - Think TSA - guess that would help meet Obama's goal of a nation-wide police force - those that don't measure up to TSA standards for hiring could be considered for armed school security guards.
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    Lol if they can't measure up to TSA STANDARDS, then they should go back to 7th grade for more training.
    Worst trained in all of LE. Thats why they keep messing up, they're not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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    Why would you need armed people in schools to protect the kids. Obama and the Democrats have all the answers. It is the gun don't you know? Don't let facts get in your way. Just because the past hundreds of years and all the guns we had, and kids were not being killed, that is of no matter. It is the gun! It is not this new age Liberal culture that enables broken families with their anything goes sexual revolution. It's the gun! It has nothing to do with our broken families and people growing up with no security from a loving mother and father. It's the gun. It's not the new age Liberal culture that makes our children want to join gangs to find some semblance of a family unit. It's the gun! It is not our new age drug culture that produces mentally ill people who rationalize killing kids. It's the gun. The next time some nut job breaks into a school with some shot gun or knife or sword, or bomb, no need to worry. The cops will get their with their guns after all the kids are dead. Why would you want someone in the school with guns to protect the kids?

    Liberals and Democrats? You are so pathetic is is scary!
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    "Group suggests Congress should fund extra training for 'security officers'"
    Counter idea. Why doesn't the NRA fund it? They have pretty goddamn deep pockets. They float money around in Lobby form in DC like its nothing.
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    You will spend all this money try to ban guns etc but want to scrimp on the best way possible to protect the kids? I don't know what to say.
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    @NTBFW It's funny how they complain about spending when it is to their convenience. I wonder what a government study on the correlation between video games and violence costs, or any of the other freedom stripping measures they want cost?
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    @AlexMIA it not I'm MY interest. It about protecting the kids. And it wouldn't cost nearly as much as you would think. I'm willing to put MY money up. So take that BS somewhere else. My kids are already out of school.
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    I say let the gun industry pay for armed guards to protect our schools from people threatening to murder our children with their products.
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    sounds like a good new welfare program,while we are at it might as well let ford pay for more traffic cops as their product kills lots of children in drunk driving accidents and domestic abuse situations
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    @MongoAPillager So you're against guards in schools all togather. I agree. Because otherwise you'd be all for everyone else paying for it. I'm certain you don't want that.
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    @MongoAPillager Right. Asking for private industry to pay for armed guards is welfare, but the NRA (firearm industry lobby) asking the government (taxpayers) to pay for armed guards is not welfare.
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    @Dan_Tien you know how much I hate taxes. But I would vote for a tax that provided proper training and screening. Provided it was at the state level and the money go directly to the program and not the teachers union or the general administration fund. I can't believe you would quibble over this. I can't see a way to get the NRA to completely find this. They could provide a huge amount of resources from the top professionals that could provide a specialized lesson plan for a training school. The NRA has the people, facilities and the experience to train the guards properly. They could secure a school well enough that the risk is greater driving them to school than the kids actually being in school.
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    @NTBFW I "quibble" about this because the estimated cost to employ armed guards for every school in the United States is between $5 billion and $7 billion per year. That does not include the cost of training. I posted a link to this estimate from a British source in another comment thread to this article, but you can look up the number of schools in the US and do the math yourself if you want. Standard annual wages for guards is between $22k to $45k. The more you pay, the better the guard. Want the lowest bidder?
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    I, like everyone else whether they are a 2nd Amendment supporter or not, hated to see this day come: when armed guards are NECESSARY to keep our children safe in public schools.~ Never-the-less, this is now the world we live in. People have always recognized weakness in the individual, corporately and governmentally. They now know the easiest place to gain their 15 minutes of fame for their own insane reasons, is the public schools because we have erroneously made them "GUN FREE ZONES", which is the #1 attraction to criminals... to prey on the weak and the young. Schools as they are today, "has it all" for such criminals as this.~ If you set aside the hidden liberal agenda of dis-arming America, then it's easy to see we now have to step up to the plate and defend ourselves in the ways of the world, which isn't the banning of guns, but the employment of armed guards in our schools.~ No rocket science; No political correctness; No political spin. If you wish to keep your children safe against a hurting and dying world without God, defend them with armed guards.
  • #146
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    Armed guards and armed teachers. Stop fooling around, let's do something meaningful that can stop the gun violence in schools. The morons from the left have no clue. Nothing they are proposing will have any effect at all on school safety.
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    Finally, a plan that directly deals with protecting our children! Isn't that the most important goal?
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    Research USD 501, Topeka Ks. One of my relatives was Chief of School Security for the district. He hired retired and off duty officers with loaded weapons to guard the schools after multiple riots in the 70's. No one ever had to discharge their weapons (and we're talking about 4 high schools, 9 jr high schools and 20 some grade schools.

    However, my relative that has long since retired states that he no longer believes it is the logical course of action. Secure lockdown, no kids leaving campus, unanticipated exits by parental escort only, video monitoring EVERYWHERE are his suggestions. He was in charge of the system for 24 years.
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    The doors were locked at Sandy Hook. It didn't stop the killer. I prefer someone to be at my child's school that has a fighting chance of taking down a shooter.
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    @AnnieO - I don't know what the answer is.

    Lanza shot his way through a locked glass door at the front of the school. Anyone with a rock has a key to a glass door.

    A secure lock down would be a barred barricade wired into the fire alarms for safety and with a mechanical override under FD/PD control. Not very expensive but very effective. Keep the windows high and you have effectively secured your children in a fortress.

    I am a CC myself, but after listening to my relative talk about his experiences and how things have changed, I tend to follow his lead. The best protection for our children would be to prevent unwanted entry. That has to be cheaper and safer than slinging bullets around the school.
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    @AntiPorcheria But you should still be prepared for the worst. I agree those are all good measures but if a gunman gets in, then what? I agree, there is no 100% fix. I think the armed guards idea is worth a try. Nothing else has worked so far.
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    @AnnieO - I understand. Can't tell you what the real answers are. But we have to get real about the scenarios. If you have armed guards, those are dead men if a shooter wants in. Think about it. If a shooter is really intent on getting in for whatever reason, don't you suppose he's going to figure out how to take out the security guard or two first? I know I would. However if I can't get in and move freely I can't do much damage and can be held for authorities.
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    @AntiPorcheria At least the guards have a fighting chance. I don't think Lanza was a shooting expert by any means. Even if a guard can slow the gunman down, precious time could save more lives. A criminal that wants to commit a mass shooting doesn't go to a place with armed guards. That's why they target schools and movie theaters. They choose the places with the most sitting ducks. I know that all shooters are different but we have to look at the evidence here of how they choose their targets.
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    Yes. That's exactly the best choice. But I say they need specific training and a lot if it. There are certain schools right now that are working up training programs for this very thing. It won't be cheap but it is worth it. As much money as we are spending why scrimp now on the children. Nothing you can do will make our schools safer than trained professional guards protecting them. Nothing.
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    The local H.S. just last week during a day break ran an exercise and scenario evolution to see some issues that needs addressing in order to develop training and procedure. I have to say I'm kinda proud of our little town in taking a practical and quick approach to the issue.
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    @Rocker that's great! It's going to take local school districts finding solutions to fit their particular needs. But the best way to look at armed guards vs police being called in an emergency has several factors.
    First trained armed guards can do the same things we already trust and expect the police to do now. But they can be where they need to be immediately. Plus depending on the layout of a school, those precious few seconds could give a shooter the chance to take hostages and be able to defend his position from cops coming from outside. If you have guards inside they would be in a much better position to stop him before he got started. The biggest advantage of armed guards is deference. The fact they are there makes it unlikely that anyone try it in the first place. Since they tend to go for easy targets.
  • #13
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    In all seriousness (damn that video was funny) I don't see the harm in what the NRA is trying to do. Risk assessment awareness is not a bad thing. I don't think much will come of it but I don't see it as some evil thing either.
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    Considering some of the idiotic things I've read the government is spending money to research lately, I think finally we have a winner!
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    This is very responsible and positive by the NRA unlike the knee jerk 23 executive orders by Obama, and Obiden giving his double barrel shotgun response. The two biggest a**clowns in America!
  • #143
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    Not only should there be armed guards at all schools (There already ARE armed guards at many), but the "Gun Free Zone" policy advertises sitting ducks for the picking. End "Gun Free Zones". In addition, adult teachers and administrators should not have their 2nd Amendment rights violated. Send adult teachers and administrators to concealed carry classes so they may get their CCW and carry if they choose. No one should be forced to carry, however. The point is, a criminal should not have a guide presented to them letting them know who is an easy target, and who will proved armed response.
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