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    Shoot more and they will stop coming eventually. Unethical and immoral, yes, effective without a doubt.
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    @MrGreenHerb Start killing them and they will stop trying to cross the border, it is effective.
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    @Arumizy Start killing them, you'll have many many people on your hands to deal with. The Mexican government will want justice for the deaths, since the Mexican race is high in America. You cannot go out and start killing people because they're crossing the boarder, thats like saying protect MickyD's to prevent obesity, if they cross the line start putting them down quicker then they down their milkshakes.
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    @MrGreenHerb Then the mexican government should control their people and help enforce the border. And what will they do, try to invade the US with their corrupt military and be destroyed? If they are crossing the border, they are an invader and should be dealt with in such a manner. You start sniping them as they cross and the rest will get the idea and stop trying.
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    Heard a good idea that history has proven works for border security. Hadrian's Wall in Britian. A wall the length of the border, that people can stand and travel the length of while on top of it, with guardtowers every 1/4 mile, and barracks every mile, or few miles in this day and age. Have larger barracks every so many miles with troops. Rotate 8 hour shifts, a man every 1/4 mile, with shoot to kill instructions for anyone trying to cross illegally. Sonar sensory equipment would prevent tunneling. Would only take about 10,000 troops to secure border where not even a cockroach could get past. But it seems neither party really wants to secure the border. As far as shooting people from helecopters, that is a bit sissyfied. Get on the ground if you want to fight.
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    Actually you can fire rather accurately from a chopper, it just takes a special gyro stabilized seat. But I don't know nothing about that.
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    Wheres the $ supposed to come from? And we all know what eventually happened with that wall, right?
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    @Rocker
    "How can you kill women and children?"
    "You don't lead them so much."
    ~Full Metal Jacket 1987
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    @mtkopf - Dark Humor for what it is and recognizing it isn't lost on me at the appropriate times. Sick as it seems now, it had some element of truth in that day and setting.
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    Not everyone sneaking into this country are part of drug smuggling. They are trying to get here for a better, much safer life. If your family had to live everyday with the absolute fear that the drug cartels are going to kill them, wouldn't you try anything to make them safer?
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    @justapirate
    Their government has already conceded they cannot fight enough of the cartels while the others slip through. These are cartels from all over South America trying to use Mexico as their way to get their drugs into our country. Since our country are the consumers, aren't the American people to blame?
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    @BelinKS Our government knows what needs done to the cartels. We even have the capability. Too many politicians in the way trying to suck up votes at the cost of our country. And that still doesn't justify the invasion we are facing daily. It has to stop even if it's one round at a time.
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    So apply for Legal Immigration. Problemo solved. We can't be the Wallet paying for unlimited freebies for the Third World population. Calif is proof of that sad fact.
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    I have sympathy for Mexicans being forced into the drug trade because of cartels, but they need to arm themselves and get something similar to a second amendment in their country. Mexico is a prime example of what happens to a country when the populace is disarmed and only the government and police have firearms, especially when most of the police are part of the problem helping the cartels.
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    Had to think about this one a bit. Two issues in my mind that opposed each other. I don't approve of police agencies firing from aircraft in this country. A: That's a military undertaking, not civilian. I haven't yet seen a civilian program with sufficient training, oversight and safeguards to allow me to be comfortable with the idea. Any time at all spent paying attention to the news and it's obvious that going beyond limits by police officials is just too common an occurence. But then we have B:Those are invaders coming across that border and they need repelled by any means.
    I've reconciled the controversy in my mind. Invaders have no rights. They are subject to attack by anyone defending this country. So, good hunting, boys.
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    invaders? have they actually been entering the nation as an army? has there been a declaration of war against the u.s.? have they actually attacked any government installations? if so, then why haven't we heard anything about it?
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    Okay, I'll vote you up....you have a well thought out and reasoned approach and I would add C: American civilians when LEGALLY crossing the border are usually shot at and are injured or killed....what has the Mexican government done other than to say....oops....?
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    You know I'm about as illegal immigration as anyone that posts here but shooting from helicopters with gunfire first originating from other than the helicopter in the USA has NO basis in need. NONE.
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    @PoliticalSpice That's because I'm a moderate and I won't tolerate BS from either side. Talking about shooting people on the grounds "they might have drugs" is just indefensible.
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    Shooting at illegals from helicopters should not only be legal for CBP, but a tourist attraction. Anybody with a rifle and a few hundred dollars should get an hour to hang out of a helicopter door hunting border violators. I'd make TX my next vacation spot for that alone.
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    I just wonder how many families of illegals mourn the death of Border Patrol Agents who are killed in the line of duty? Let's see those stories. Let's see the canisters in Mexico at the 7-11 for donations to be sent back for dead Americans.
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    Americans are always in favour of shooting first as long as the people or animals are incapable of shooting back. When people shoot back Americans can't get out fast enough.
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    Uhh... yeah. Vietnam: the better part of 2 decades in country. A-stan: Over a decade in country. I gotta question your definition of "fast enough".
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    How do we not know by now whether they had drugs in the truck?

    I like Guatemalans, but we need to have a no nonsense approach to any drug trafficing from Mexico (or anywhere). It shouldn't be Texans that have to track these belligerents but the feds.
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    It all depends on our commitment to our children. Mexico shots anyone illegally crossing their southern border because they want to leave a sovereign nation to their kids. We may be too weak and heartless to defend our families and our Country from the invasion and colonization by benefit and service starved foreign peasants.
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    Or they can vote for obama and the liberals and they can continue to come here illegally and get welfare and free health care and whatever else they want for doing absolutely nothing.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix i think we have already seen that . what is said of those who do not learn from history,well we are seeing first hand what those in office are.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix as long as it ticks you "small government" conservatives off, I'm pleased. Illegals don't do anything? BS, they do work blubbery Americans won't. They come here for work, not welfare.
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    @Jet_Silverman ...and they wind up with welfare. Haven't noticed that?

    And this blubbery American made many attempts to do those jobs that blubbery Americans won't do. I was constantly denied. If the workforce is driven from the area so that cheap illegals can do the job, then, tell me, who's at fault because the 'locals' won't take the jobs? We were run out. We ain't there no more. And that's our fault?
    Blind. Pure blind.
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  • #199
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    Unfortunately, this is nothing new in the Republic of Texas. Texas Rangers have always been able to and allowed to shoot Mexicans with impudence.
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    I wonder if Mexico would be pleased if America sent thousands of it's poorest over the border and demanded free health care, housing, jobs, education...Tell the illegals to GTFO or we'll shoot. Comprende?
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    i can never support putting an ameircans at risk, mark the "no man's land" and change the ROE to allow first shot from US on anyone in the zone.
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    Immigration is a distraction.
    1. People say they are costing us in welfare, but US citizens are way more likely to wind up on welfare. For one thing even legal immigrants are not allowed welfare. I'm sure with fraud and all it happens from time to time, but it's illegal. Instead of singling out immigrants why not push for mandatory volunteer work (assigned a group to work with by the state) for able-bodied welfare recipients? That would make being on welfare an unattractive option fast and throngs of people on welfare would be getting off of it and into the workforce. This focus on "the illegals" is a distraction.
    2. People say they take our jobs. This is flawed reasoning. Jobs don't belong to anyone until they are given voluntarily by an employer. Besides that immigrants are consumers and consumption creates jobs. Whether these jobs are created in America or not depends largely on our trade policy. Our free-for-all trade policy is a failed experiment and it's time to go back to commonsense trade policies that protect American interests and aim for promoting fairer trade for all nations. Besides just raising tariffs to make up unfair advantages products made in sweatshops should be kept out entirely.
    3. As for crime coming across our border. I agree that's a problem, so legalize drugs and the cartels have nothing to fight over anymore and we get to make some new tax revenue. Problem solved.
    4. People point out they are here illegally. Because we make it monstrously difficult for people to do something very simple, to move to a new place to better themselves and their families. If we want illegal immigration to go away we need to make legal immigration a feasible, doable thing for your typical would-be immigrant.
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    And the comments and the poll shows that people are only thinking about this specific story instead of the big picture of how public policy plays out. It's things like this that try my faith in democracy. How can we have sound government policy when people never think of the big picture and only think of specifically reported incidents and how it would play out in those specifically reported incidents while not imagining how the law would play out under a different set of circumstances?
    The point being the people being shot at could have easily been American citizens and then I bet the poll numbers would be dramatically different. It isn't practical though for there to be different policies depending on whether or not the person is a US citizen because you can never know for sure if the person you are shooting up might really be a US citizen/illegal alien. There's also the possibility that a runaway car from the police may be carrying children with them or innocent hostages. If they start shooting of course they need to be shot back, but otherwise it's best to avoid escalating such situations.
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    This is pretty simple, Stop all drug enforcement and aid to Mexico has well as cease all tourism to Mexico until that government starts enforcing it's own borders. Give illegals two choices;
    Prison until you become a US citizen requires working off the fines and paying for your citizenship.

    Shipped back to Mexico and charge the Mexican government for the services rendered and inform the illegal that if they are found again 10 years federal time no parole.

    Patrol the border with IMS Intelligent munition system reconfigured for non-lethal.

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