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  • #2
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    Part of the responsibility of taking a job is knowing what is grounds for termination, and avoiding them if one desires to remain employed. Sounds like she got talked into suing by a slick lawyer wanting to make some money and a name for herself, in other words the typical lawyer. She will probably win since the school offered her fiance a job after firing her, unless they can prove they were unaware of his relationship with her, which would be pretty hard to do now. That was really a stupid action on the part of the school to do that.
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    Agreed.... And remember, at any given time there is a lawyer who will, for enough money, will be more than glad to demonstrate that whatever you did (or didn't do) was not your fault. And that personal responsibility for contraception in some form or another by both parties is someone else's concern. I don't think that the fact of being sexually active was an issue. Getting pregnant (getting caught) was, as stipulated in the employment agreement. The hiring of the 'partner' was indeed a stupid play.
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    A paternity test would prove the man had extra-marital sex, would it not? But I agree with you that offering the job to the baby's father was really stupid, unless they were unaware that he was the man who impregnated the teacher.
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    @dances-weebles - Yep, the long shot has an annoying tendency to come thru even for vasectomies. And I know of 2 boo-boos that happened to some friends after the fact.
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    @DogLady_1 Yep,The defense could also crucify the girl on the stand as to her sexual promiscuity and her validity, and say that perhaps the fiance is not even the father, so she might drop the suit before it even came to trial just to save the drama. IF this goes to court then there will be a required paternity test at some point before any money would be paid. Besides all that, it seems to be mostly "he said, they said, she said" and unless either side has any evidence, then justice will not be served and the verdict will depend on a jury of their peers, or in other words, 10 idiots, 1 average person, and 1 planted person.
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    I was all,"Hey, she signed a contract!" but then I got to the part where the school offered her illicit lover a job.

    Now it's all about sexism and hypocrisy.
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    Not at all. Once she became pregnant, while being unwed, it basically tells it to every student that she was having premarital sex (it is kind of hard to hide it). I would also wonder how they would prove that the man they offered the job had premarital sex.
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    That point is a mere allegation, she has offered no proof that her fiance was offered a job. It is her word against the school's.
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    @dances-weebles I agree, which is why I am content to wait until SHE provides proof. Until then it is my opinion that she took the job with activism in mind and is making this claim to bolster her position.
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    Lets see here...I signed a document for employment which made an agreement as a condition of employment; then I chose to take personal risks which resulted in me breaking that agreement; so...when terminated for the personal choice I made I guess I should sue to hopefully get enough money so I don't have to work anymore. Right?

    I guess that beats honoring the agreement or finding another job.
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    actually, the school should be sued for demanding that any employee should sign such a moronic contract. what a person does in their private life is none of their business.

    people have sex... get over it.
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    @dances-weebles -One wonders who held the gun to her head and forced her to take the position? I would never have worked for anyone with such preconditions, however I would honor any agreement I make.
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    @AntiPorcheria another good point is that she may have signed the 'contract' without reading it, or without even knowing what it was. if it were simply stuck in with a huge pile of other employment documents then that's possible.
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    @dances-weebles it doesn't matter that you disagree with their policy. It is their policy and she did agree. That is end of story. What your saying isn't the issue.
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    Don't you just love the Christianphobic Left putting out every story that they believe will portray Christians, Christian schools, Churches in a bad light. Their goal is to tear down our Christian heritage in this nation so they can usher in their secularocracy(I know, that is not a real word). But it should be and you get the point. Liberals hate everything about freedom unless it is freedoms to be bigoted against Christians. In their paranoid insecure world, no one has the right or freedom to go against political correctness.
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    I'm non-religious for the most part (agnostic) but I agree with you about the bias against religion. Socialism does not like having religion in competition with it's own ideologies.
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    @ZombieMedic That's nice to hear. I've always said that back 50 years ago when our nation lifted up our Christian heritage, Atheists or Agnostics did not fear Christianity but rather understood how core moral values were good for a nation. Setting the framework for peer pressures in school advocating kids staying away from sex, drugs and alcohol. We all knew this was good for America and not some theocracy forcing people to be Christians. Liberals pushing their Socialist agendas had to demonize Christianity to usher in Big Government control. They wanted to be the ones controlling our children's minds with political correctness, not Biblical values that were at odd's with their vision of a Socialistic America.
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    So you're saying that Christian schools are above criticism?
    Or that all are without fault?

    It's that kind of thinking that gets you into trouble.

    "Liberals hate everything about freedom unless it is freedoms to be bigoted against Christians."

    That you feel that way is beyond pitiful.
    And wrong, and stupid, and just as bigoted, too.

    It's also beyond reality, which explains a lot about you.
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    @harold_lloyd I never said all Christian schools were above criticism. I said Liberals go out of their way to portray any Bible believing Christian in a negative light. I'm sure there are bad Christian schools as there are bad public schools. If you have seen how Liberals through Hollywood, news outlets, sit-coms, have demonized Christians then you are living in some dream world. They try to paint any Bible believing Christian Pastor or evangelist as a money grabbing, judgmental corrupt fanatic. Maybe you have missed the past 40 years.... I have not. Liberals have declared war on every semblance of Christian symbols or expression on public land. Under the lie of separation of church and state, they have censored God from our text books, censored Christmas and Easter pageants, nativity scenes, censored prayer, and now even want to censor the Christmas tree. They can't even bare hearing the word Christian. Not all Liberals are so bigoted, just most.
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    @commonsense51
    "Liberals go out of their way to portray any Bible believing Christian in a negative light."
    Two parts to this.

    "Liberals go out of their way..." I concede that there are as many liberal jerks as there are teabagger jerks, and they're about as deluded. But as a political force, they are relatively weak.

    "...Bible believing Christian..." If this means anti-science, creationist, climate denier, then we have a problem. If you are what I just described, bless your heart and I think you should be allowed to believe anything you want. But I don't want you to run the govt according to your beliefs. Govt has to be run according to the most rational principles, and that means the scientific method, and logic.
    We seem to be forgetting that the USA is a nation with a Christian majority, but it is not a Christian nation.
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    Yes, they should have fired her. But what were they thinking with offering the fiancé? Both sides used poor judgment.
  • #66
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    Absolutely they were right to fire her. it is no different than anyone else who signed a pre-employment Clause that deals with your behavior and public image . police officers have similar clauses .. Now we could only hold our politicians to the same standard..
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    If she signed a contract agreeing to those specific terms and conditions I would think they had every right to fire her. For those of you who are atheist and Christian haters and bashers you will never understand anything from our point of view. This is a legal matter not some idealistic pie in the sky she should have never signed such a “moronic agreement” or they have no business telling her what she can and cannot do outside of the school. It was her choice to work there she knew the rules and she has no one to blame but herself. What if she stole money or created a safety issue would we even be having this discussion?
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    Secular schools fire women for performing in pornographic videos. Why? Because that behavior is a bad example to our kids. A Christian school should absolutely fire a woman that is supposed to be an example of purity to girls just like a man should be an example of responsibility to boys. And the part about offering the fiance a job, I don't buy it. Sounds to me like the "War on Women" fabrication is being furthered here.
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    If she signed a contractual agreement and violated its contents, she has proven her word (or bond) worthless -- and the onus is on her. it's a religious institution, and they are supposed to follow the precepts of their faith, To allow her to remain in a public setting is to give affirmation for her indiscretion. IOW, there are consequences for immoral and improper behavior.....
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    like most I had very little sympathy.. That is until I got to where the school offered a job to her Boyfriend.. Can we say hypocrisy.. I am sure we can..
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    We really do not know that. She says they did, but she has offered no proof, and without proof, I do not believe her.
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    @Realthinker Does it really matter at the end. She is suing which means she feels she has an argument and case. I have no doubt that this same school offered her boyfriend a job. As I have in the past worked for these type of companies. I have seen worse hypocrisy than this occur.
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    Ok, I'm confused, unless she was artificially inseminated, how exactly did she get pregnant without having premarital sex? There is a violation there somewhere...and as long as you sign an agreement to follow the school's conduct policy, you must abide by it. However, if it's true that the school offered the fiancè a job...total sleaze move on their part which smacks of patriarchal BS.
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    I just think it's a bit hypocritical and unChristian, according to the Christian doctrine of forgiveness. What was it Y'shuah bar Yosef said? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?" (or words to that effect). Further, to fire the poor unfortunate woman at a time when she is pregnant places the safety of her unborn child at risk by depriving her of an income, quality healthcare, etc. And don't Christians have an obsessive stated interest in children of especially such (unwed) Mothers from conception to birth?
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    You are confusing forgiveness and responsibility. I can forgive someone for stealing from me for example. But I expect them to be responsible and accept the punishment. Two different things.
  • #37
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    I am appalled at the number of people who believe her ALLEGATION that the school offered her fiance a job. She could be lying in an effort to bolster her claim. After all, what proof has she offered? A Christian school, being private, has the right to require it's employees to uphold certain standards; the standards in this covenant are Biblical and those stardards are the reason parents choose to pay to send their children to this school. Teachers have an obligation to uphold their end of the covenant. Did this brat take the job with the intention of being an activist? It sounds to me like she might have.
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    Guilty or not, she will have her day in court, I agree rules are rules, but history has shown us that religious groups are human, and things aren't always what they seem.
  • #108
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    You are right. But it was part of the story. If they did offer him a job it weakens their case. If not she has no case
  • #256
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    Jesus Christ was born out of wedlock.Mary and God got it on.I don`t think they got marred. Mrs.God would not let that happen.She was PO`d enough about the infidelity to start with.
  • #253
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    Can you say frivolous lawsuit?
    She's not being fired for being pregnant. If she had been raped and got pregnant she wouldn't have been fired. She could've even lied and said that was the reason, but she didn't (not that I want to encourage that, there's already too many false rape accusations). She is being fired for sex outside of marriage not being pregnant. No discrimination.
    I think it's dumb to consider sex outside of marriage to even be relevant here, but that's their beliefs. It is a private Christian school.
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  • #239
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    God alone is the judge and he is the only one with authority in these matters,
    however if we work for the church or a religious group we must watch out and
    try to be as good as we can, because the eyes of the world are watching us
    and that's why we can not call the wrong right. we can't be OK with God and
    Satan at the same time.
  • #234
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    She should have claimed "immaculate conception". I would have liked to have seen how the school would begin to try firing her after that, lol.
  • #232
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    GOOD for them!!! They are a Christian school and teach God's word! As a teacher there, she should be ashamed of herself and should be fired. However, I am sure a jury full of liberals will let her win and again deepen the wounds of this country by Removing GOD from Christian schools!
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