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    The "Environmentalists" as we seem to call them now-days are, and always have been, just another way/reason used for the E.P.A.(short for U.S. Government) to rule the people. It is used in part to limit America's productivity in MANY facets of life, but none any greater than KEEPING THE UNITED STATES DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN OIL".

    Keeping us dependent on foreign oil does a MULTITUDE of things "under the radar" of the American citizen. It finances MANY middle eastern agendas as well as help to control many markets domestically.

    The US is sitting on more oil reserves than the Middle East. We could tap our own oil, bring our gas price down by at LEAST 2.00$ a gallon, and the environment where we drill would be in better condition when done than it was before drilling. It's been proven. We have the technology to drill cleanly, efficiently and all without harming the environment one iota.

    This is all yet just one more facet of the "hidden agendas" of the socialist leadership (liberal Democrats) in Washington. Nothing more.
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    No matter what happens with the pipeline or if the US produces more oil, there will never be $2.00/gallon gas. There maybe a chance of becoming oil independent. but the cost per gallon will still be high. We are exporting more gas because the oil producers can get more on the global market than at home. Why not sell that gas here at home? It would be the same in the future. Profits rule. Gas will be sold where it can generate the most profit.
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    @Roco Then I'm all for becoming oil independent and then see how it goes. Eh? If we totally removed ourselves from the Middle Eastern markets, they would probably go broke, which would be just as well. All they know how to do is buys other country's military and rocket launchers. that market over there? I'd just as soon never pay them a dime and for once NOT have them dictate to US, the price of oil in the US.

    The Middle East has had an ongoing laugh on us. Their wealth is financed through US. How bout we send a message to the Socialists and shut this "environmental" crap down? Eh?
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    @WVMountYouNear If it business as usual in the energy market, I not correlating oil independence with cheaper gas. The concept of supply and demand doesn't necessarily work when it comes to the price of gas. How many times in the last several years their was a huge surplus of gas and the cost of gas still climbed? Just recently with the refinery problems in CA, gas went up in markets that the refineries didn't even supply. I understand wanting to take OPEC out of the equation. But I still don't see cheap gas in our future.
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    obama's own state department has told him there is nothing wrong with approving the Keystone Pipeline. Americans already knew this. obama was hoping to stall, which he did. He didn't expect his own state department to buck his position though. Now he's between a rock and a hard place. He has to find a way to deny the pipeline again on environmental charges even as his own state department says the pipeline is completely safe.

    What is there for obama to like about Keystone? It will provide jobs, energy independence, and a boost to the economy. None of those things are things obama wants. I fully expect obama to shoot this project down again. This is what you elected America. This is YOUR fault. You, yes, YOU! You voted for him, and you have forced this ogre on all of us.
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    There's a little difference in crude oil and corrosive toxic sand sludge being pumped through pipelines. Apparently the sand is very hard on the pipeline and failures are common. Oh and then there's the part where it sinks in water making it nearly impossible to clean up and the benzene that's added to it is quite harmfull. But other than that..
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    The Keystone pipeline would allow Canadians to export oil to Europe instead of dumping it in the USA. That's the real environmental concern.
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    @NavinRJohnson do you know how much benzene is out on the highways every day? Rail cars? At least with s pipeline you know where it's going to be and can prepare for a leak to contain a spill. A truck is much more likely to overturn in a major city than in a rural area due to traffic.
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    I know, the endangered spotted tree frog of upper iowa might lose its habitat so we can be less dependant on arab oil. Seems like a no-brainer. But enviromentalist warriors are themselves, no-brainers.
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    That same thing happens when green energy projects are being planned. In Texas the wind farms need powerlines built. These same willy-nilly environmentalist bitch about that...they come up with stupid reasons like someone's grandma saw a three legged toad with one ball in one of the progected right of ways...and it was back in 1937.
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    As someone who could not care less about Spotted Owls or Snail Darters, I find it interesting tht you right wingers would risk destroying our environment even further because the truth is that every oil company that drills, pipes or otherwise transports has major spills. Every single one. Sooner than later. This oil is destined for China and India. It won't lessen our dependency on Arab oil and it will create 35 permanent full time jobs. That's it. I'm just amazed at how cheaply you right wing thugs will sell out your country.
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    @jessejaymes - Of course liberals could get rid of their gas guzzling fully loaded SUVs carrying only one passenger that they drive 30 miles to work everyday in. Then maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't need so much oil to begin with.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix 1,) I don't drive an SUV 2.) I can't control what you drive. 3.) This has nothing to do with oil for the USA. This is oil destined for China. I personally do not want a pipeline across America for Chinese Oil. I guess you do. Sad, very sad. In your right wing Hatred for Obama the oil companies have found your hot button to sell even more oil to the commies and you blame Obama. VERY VERY VERY SAD.
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    @jessejaymes The only way I see this oil destined for china is if we dont build it and force canada to redirect it to the left coast, which would give the maoists easier access. As for oil spills, yeah it happens. Just like planes crash from time to time. And pileups on the freeway happen. Does that keep you secluded in your house, afraid to go where you need to? You could walk I suppose, but even that has it's risks. You could be mugged. And don't even get me started on hitchhiking. You could end up like the gimp in "pulp fiction". You even risk slipping and falling in the shower every day. I suggest handrails and helmets. Mandated of course, by our all knowing nanny, government.
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    We have thousands of pipelines allready and we do not have massive leakage problems. We have more tanker wrecks and trail derailments than oil lines breaking. Plus pipelines are becoming safer and made of better materials. We need this pipeline because it would give us a leg up on OPEC and would generate thousands of short term jobs and some long term jobs. How can this be bad when everyone wants it execpt for a few tree hoggers?
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    35 long term permanet jobs and doesn't lessen our dependence on OPEC on drop. The oil goes to China and India. You'll sell out America for 35 jobs. Just frigging amazing.
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    @jessejaymes So you are saying that we will import Chinese while building it? BTW we are already sending oil to China for refining. And it will take more than 35 people to monitor and maintain this pipeline. Anything to help the economy and cut dependence on foreign oil is worthwhile to me.
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    @jessejaymes

    Where do you get the 35 jobs number. Being in the pipeline industry, I can assure you it will take much more manpower than that. I would guess more like 350 just in the field.
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    @MadAmerican 35 full time maintenance crews workers and less than 30 part time. To maintain a pipeline stretching from Canada to The Gulf. Just freaking amazing. You will sell out America for nothing. And the oil is going to The gulf to be refined into gasoline for CHINA. What is the matter with you man? I thought you were pro American? Anti communist? Is there NOTHING in this country you won't sell out to feed your hatred of Obama? Nothing at all?
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    The king no longer needs the environmentalist support or vote.Just another group he has used for his own agenda to be re-elected.What a poor excuse for being POTUS
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    The pipeline has few negative environmental effects. The tar sands may, but they will be used no matter what. Alternative transportation will happen at a much larger cost than the pipeline. The pipeline is an environmental win.
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    approximately 33 people in the picture are getting a story that sounds like there are thousands protesting. Let's hold the nation and economy hostage to satisfy a few saturday goof balls. Majority rules, go home, pipe line needs to be build.
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    They're surprised? Just gives a glimpse into the weak minds of most environmentalists. I guess they thought this administration was their buddy? ROTFLMAO Follow the money! Besides, how many of those environmentalists that are upset have given up driving or riding in vehicles, using any sort of plastic, makeup, canned or packed foods, television, electricity, bathing with hot water, cleaning their plate when they eat their tofu, etc etc. Buncha clueless hypocrites.
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    These same bunch of morons are also clamoring for jobs and to better their economic situation. They have offered NO sensible alternative to this pipeline. I say build it. Americans need jobs, we need to improve our economy. This is a MAJOR revenue get. I would like to see us buy oil from Canada vice the Anti-American Mullahs in the Middle East. I hope this pathetic little protest falls on deaf ears....
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    Let's not since global climate change is a different subject and it would be best to embarrass yourself one issue at a time.
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    @Bobolinsky Tens of thousands of scientific articles in peer-reviewed publications over the course of over ten years *all* support climate change. I am really tired of the few flat-earth proponents that are left constantly holding the rest of us back from discussing practical reactions.
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    @Zazziness we are tired of politicians and the rich using scare tactics to gather more power and money,manmade global warming is just an outdated hippie LSD trip supported by an Earth worshiping cult and a minion of professors and scientists living off idiot savant tree buggers and government grants
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    Other choice is funding terrorist groups via OPEC and keeping employment down. It seems to me the environmentalists are in league with Obama's version of fundamentely changing America.
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    Look Canada isn't going to just sat on that oil they're going to sell it to someone why not sell it to us to improve the North American economy. With that oil our economy would expand, our country would have more revenue to pay down the national debt, and we could get away from buying oil from the towelheads that hate us. I personally am tired of funding terrorism every time I fill up my gas tank. Make no mistake about it that's just what we're doing by buying oil from the Middle East. Lets collapse their economy and make ours stronger at the same time! Stop being stupid America support the pipe line!!!
  • #127
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    They're not selling it to us. Don't you get that?

    Oil is a commodity sold on the market to the highest bidder. Canada's oil companies aren't going to say "oh, here U.S., here's some oil...and we'll give it to you cheap." They will do exactly as is being done right now. Oil, pumped from ground, put on tanker, sold to whomever at market prices.

    All this pipeline will do is make life easier for the oil companies. And I assure you they won't give us a break on it at all.
  • #128
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    @PayThatCEO what countries stock market sets the price of oil OURS does. More oil on the market brings the price down not up and we set the price for the global market. Oil is traded around the world and bought with the U.S. dollar. The pipe line would in turn lower the cost at home( not including shipping charges we pay) and oil from the Middle East wouldn't be as attractive because of shipping not to mention the lower cost that they would have to sell their oil at. breaking the backs of OPEC and harming the economies in those countries. It's a win/win for us. As our debit falls the dollar would rise in value driving the price of oil down even more. Also if the fed would raise interest rates it would help the value of the dollar and lower the price of oil. The economy circles around the price of oil and the value of the u.s. dollar something Osama Obama doesn't understand or doesn't care or maybe both.
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    @Corey

    But wait a minute. How many times has the price of gas gone UP, and we're told it's because there is too much consumption? Too much oil on the market doesn't bring the price down, it makes it go up.
  • #132
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    @PayThatCEO it goes up because the value of the dollar is down. Remember when you could buy $100.00 worth of groceries and it last 2 weeks and now it only last 3 or4 days same with oil prices its called inflation and the only way to fight it is to make more of a product, raise interest rates, and pay down debt. History repeats itself we are living the 70's all over again except this time around interest is lower and it shouldn't be that's one of the problems. Low rates weakens the dollar along with the high debt we as a nation face that's why everything keeps going up except wages. If Clinton hadn't screwed us by signing nafta wages would most likely kept pace with inflation but he let our jobs leave for Mexico. Look at your budget the less you owe the more buying power you have. When you owe more then your buying power decreases. To get out of this mess we are going to have to live within our means, pay down debt, produce more oil, and control inflation by raising rates. The government can spend until the cows come home but if they don't do these 4 things its not going to get any better
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    Some of these environmentalists are really out there. The fact is that humans everywhere cause damage to the planet daily, and there is little we can actually do about it. Climate change is a natural process, we can't stop it, all we can do is delay it or speed it up due to our pollution. What most people don't realize is that over 80% of global air pollution comes from China, so even if we ceased all the activity that contributes to climate change in the US, we wouldn't put a dent in it. Build the pipeline, it'll create more jobs and provide America with newer natural resources closer to home at a much more affordable rate than buying them from the Arabs.
  • #118
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    Keystone XL Pipeline To Create 13,000 American Jobs
    and a proposed $7 billion into our economy.
    But Obama knows whats best for all you people, Doesnt he!
  • #115
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    I believe environmentalist should back up , they are govt. Hire hit mens,they want regulates on everything. They kill half the jobs we could have. We need jobs in America, not more rules.
  • #114
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    I think we should send the environmentalists to china and mexico where they could do sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more good. They might even cause some business to return home by leveling the playing field?
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