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    32,367 deaths in 2011. We need to eliminate the cause of these useless deaths. Even if we save just one or two, isn't that worth it?

    Of course these were the deaths caused by automobiles. So, everyone just put your keys in the jar that's coming around and get a good pair of walking shoes.
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    Automobiles are a necessary part of life. So are ladders, bathtubs, stairways and other things that can cause our demise. Usually if someone dies using one of these things it's called an accident.

    Usually when someone dies from a gun it's called murder.
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    Often times Gun control advocates say "isn't it worth it if it saves just One"; Actually no, since gun control policies may save that one but kill even more. If both sets could be saved. Those saved by "legal carry" and those by "gun control" we would be getting somewhere.
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    @PayThatCEO Nearly 11,000 deaths in 2011.......that's the number of automobile related deaths involving drunk driving. Is alcohol also being banned. Or how about ALL cars have installed a device that prevents drunk drivers from driving. Why not! So if it's a pain for the rest of us law abiding citizens....we just might save one life!(sounds silly now....huh)
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    @Drake_Burrwood that's right. And I wonder how many times a criminal decided against committing a violent act because he thought that his potential target had a gun in the house or that they might be able to defend themselves. There's a reason that home robberies in Australia have started happening more often with the homeowners at home. And there's a reason that gun control advocates don't include statistics in their arguments.
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    @stepped_in_it - We could require cars to have a gas tank that is limited to 100 miles of travel maximum before refilling and outlaw sports cars as too dangerous (looking). We have to do something!
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    I voted no because regardless of the number, and how much gun control you have, it is not going to stop acriminal intent on killing. They will get a gun, or weapon of some kind, and kill. No kind of "control" is going to stop a killer. All this does is push people into emotional thoughts such as, "if we took the guns off the street, they couldn't kill". When the reality is they would just get it through illegal means or use another weapon.
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    I agree, so why are we not demanding stronger punishments from those who use guns in the commission of a crime?
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    @PayThatCEO I've always agreed that punishments for criminal use of a firearm should have very stiff penalties. Apparently the current trend is to make more laws that simply make criminals out of the law abiding. I say enforce the current laws and enhance background checks.
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    @Medicinebow

    I'm for a federal gun crime law. Across the board, every state. Using a gun in the commission of a crime would be a federal offense with a sentence of no less than 25 years.

    Such crimes used to carry stiff sentences. Armed robbery was once considered very serious. Not anymore. Now it's a couple years, maybe.

    A federal violent crime law would definitely help knock down the gang violence and send a message that this activity won't be tolerated. Get the non-violent people out of jail and put the violent ones in there for a long time.
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    @PayThatCEO I agree. The career criminals know the loopholes how to plea their way out of punishment. Use the laws we have and make them stick. If you do the crime take the punishment.
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    @PayThatCEO You might be on to something, the feds want to dictate what each state does about gun control as a whole, but when someone is killed on state property it's state problem, and when they are killed on fed property in that same state its a fed problem doesn't sound right does ot?
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    What about the list of guns used to stop a crime or stoop a death? Those #s are higher than the deaths but are also not being counted.

    Also it has been proven in the past that these list are biased. They include legal killings where a cop kills someone and where a homeowner kills someone robbing him and no charges are filled. If this list were to be fair such legal killings need to be removed and they are not.
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    The point should by why are they being shot. Who is doing the shooting? The guns aren't just going off by themselves. It's criminals doing the shooting. Go after the criminals. Anyone that doesn't agree that we can reduce these numbers significantly by focusing on criminals is not being honest. None of my guns shot any one what's different about mine? They look just as scary as any. They work the same.
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    @PNWest must you always find the exception? I didn't even look at it. What I want from you is a realistic discussion. I won't even bother if you won't use some level of honesty. I will discuss solutions to a crime problem but I'm am sick of your flippant responses. You are wasting everyone's time.
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    @NTBFW Realistically speaking roughly 30,000 people die by gun each year in the USA. Realistically speaking a gun is much more likely to end up shooting someone you know rather than a bad guy. Realistically speaking gun deaths per capita in the US are far higher than they are in other western democracies that have stringent gun safety laws. And finally realistically speaking you are not the judge of who is wasting people's time here. If you don't like my flippant comments then feel free to ignore them.
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    @PNWest realistically I may as well ignore them since your mind is made up by using one statistic to base your opinion on. You know nothing about guns. But you want to ignore people that do know something about them. When you throw a number out and don't break it down by cause then yes you are wasting everyone's time that is trying to find a solution to the problem. A real solution anyway. Not the typical liberal plan of doing the wrong thing and believing that good intention are the same as good results.
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    Sandy Hook affected my views on Gun Control, but not the way the MSM would have you believe. The Second Amendment had never been "my" issue, but I suddenly realized nobody else was going to protect my kids from mutants, certainly not the government, so I raced over to galleryofguns.com to buy my first firearm. Sold out - I'm not the only one following this line of reasoning.
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    Mental health and the ability of criminals to obtain guns is relevant.
    But then again when you as the government are running guns to Mexican cartels....perhaps the government should be de-armed?
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    The fact that makes it irrevelant is that 99% of these deaths involve criminals and preventable accidents.....none of which banning guns or magazines will stop!!!
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    Why is there a concentration on gun deaths specifically, when so many MORE people are murdered, killed, die from other means? How many pedestrians have been killed by motor vehicles since Sandy Hook; how many traffic accidents (vehicle on vehicle) resulting in fatalities have there been since Sandy Hook?; how many suffocations, drownings, poisonings, etc. If we were willing and able to ban everything that results in considerable numbers of death each year, we would soon be living back in 20,000 b.c. The most gun deaths are attributable to inner city gangs fighting over drug turf. They don't obey gun laws; they don't obey drug laws; they laugh at the federal enhancement for possessing drugs and firearms at the same time; they laugh at laws forbidding minor in possession of a firearm; they laugh at laws forbidding felon in possession of (a) firearm(s); they laugh at laws forbidding homicide; they laugh at laws forbidding discharge of a firearm within city limits; they laugh at local laws regarding the ban on firearms ownership; they especially ROTFLTAO at gun registration laws, since they don't have to register firearms because it would VIOLATE THEIR RIGHTS AGAINST SELF-INCRIMINATION under the 5th Amendment. And ALL of these THUGS are praying that the idiots in Washington D.C. are successful in banning firearms for all Law-Abiding Americans. They can then expand the inner-city war zones across America and victimize disarmed citizens in their own homes knowing they will not run into any armed citizens that will shoot them standing their ground. It's not the firearms. It's the poverty; it's the hopelessness; it's the flawed
    thinking process; it's the "I want to get rich quick too" sickness; it's the DRUGS.
    De-criminalize DRUGS and you will see a drop in firearms violence so fast and extreme it will have inner cities considering if it should begin laying off street policemen. Until you decriminalize drugs and there are a large number of young, uneducated, unemployable, lawless men in inner city wanting to get rich quick you will continue to see firearms violence, even if you idiotically disarm those who DON'T COMMIT VIOLENCE.
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    Criminals wouldn't be caught dead with the small gun's laughably called "Saturday-night Specials" the same study that criminals said they bought their guns for $75, described those same guns bought by those same criminals; 6" barrel, chrome plated,.45 calibre, magnum, etc.
    When gunkontrol stole the law-abiding poor mans gun. We let urban warlords steal not only their property and dignity, but just like those warlords in far lands there sons and daughters. To make them money and fight their wars.
    A generation lost with many fewer lawfully armed role models for those children to believe the could fight on the side of law and win even if they might die in the attempt.
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    did a search and replaced gun deaths with stabbing deaths and found only pages of shootings in the search.

    same thing in my town,every gunshot fired weather it hit a person or was some fool making noise was reported yet those who were stabbed did not make the news.seems the media has a one track agenda right now..
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    There is definitely an agenda! Just look at Politix, everyday there are stories about guns now. They must be getting some $ from Obama's big lobbying group now, epsecially since it's not just reporting but the polls are slanted as well.
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    @ZombieMedic Politix is based in California. Their bias leans towards Pro Gay, Anti gun....that's just the facts, that being said, Politix Mary has actually taken several on my suggested fair and balanced articles regarding gun politics. I guess if you want a forum where everyone agrees, this is probably not the place for you.
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    It's irrelevant since the second amendment secures our right to bear arms. Those statistics include deaths by police shootings, self defense shootings, suicides and gang shootings whose guns are not bought legally in the first place. I stand by my right to own and bear arms!
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    @wonka45ACP
    It will be again when people stop voting in these liberals who talk the talk but don't walk the walk! I'd like the liberals see their freedoms come back when conservatives are in office. Have you seen conservatives take your rights away? Obama is the worst I've ever seen! He wants to be a dictator! Why do you think Hillary wanted out? She did not believe in what Obama was doing to our country. She came up with health care reform while her husband was president. He asked her to, then ignored all the work she did. Her's was pretty good. Healthcare went down the toilet with the advent of HMO's. working in the healthcare field I saw it from both sides. Worst thing ever! Want to reform healthcare, get rid of HMOs!
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    A better question would be how many malicious gun deaths since Sandy Hook have been from someone using an AR-15 style rifle. My guess would be not many if any. Of the 12,664 murders in 2011, only 323 were committed with a rifle (2.55%), and AR's are only a portion of that number.
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    These numbers should show that even with stricter gun laws, criminals will continue to kill with guns. Notice that they want to know someone was killed with a gun, but don't care who killed or why!
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    Completely irrelevant, since most of the deaths are suicides, accidents, or killings by police and law enforcement or self-defense. The few criminal ones are usually gang members killing gang members, ironically enough in the areas where there is the most gun control, since criminals congregate in areas where more non gang people are unarmed, for obvious reasons.

    What about the number of times that a citizen has used a firearm to prevent a crime, as most instances of a gun saving a life never required even a shot fired, much less having to kill someone. The number of crimes stopped and/or prevented each year in the U.S. is over 1 million, no matter whose statistics are used. Even the FBI admited in reports that guns are used to prevent over 1.5 million crimes a year, and some numbers are as high as 2+ million crimes prevented or stopped by citizens with guns. That definitely cuts down on the number of homicides!
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    This number presented in this way doesn't paint an accurate picture. Guns didnt kill these people. People killed these people. The guns are just a tool. This representation suggests that guns walked up and shot someone or that they talked someone into killing. It's just an attempt to tug on heart strings to further an agenda under a guise of "safety".
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    That number represents the number of people killed by guns since the Newtown gun massacre. Nothing more and nothing less. The bodies continue to pile up.
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    @PNWest this is a tragedy, I agree. And it is a parenting issue, not a gun control issue. A child that age should know how to handle a gun and the xonsequences of doing so. Next example....
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    @culinary Next example - http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houst...
    Another small child playing with his dad's weapon. Another parenting issue no doubt. Easy access to guns had nothing to do with it I guess. The bodies keep piling up.

    In case you want more here's another for you. Easy access to guns made it easy for granny to kill her little grandchildren - http://news.yahoo.com/cops-grandma-shot-self-... More bodies.

    We can go on all day if you want. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/201...
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    Yes the number is relevant, but it would help to to know even more the total number of death by predators to help find out how many are killed by Gun Control Policies.
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    It would only become relevant if the graph listed total deaths by licensed gun owners vs total deaths by illegal gun owners. One would also have to omit deaths by Law Enforcement.

    This graph is a red herring.
  • #64
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    @seedtick the policy didn't kill anyone, not anymore than a gun has ever killed anyone by itself. Gun control has made countless victims though, by taking away those victims ability to defend themselves.
  • #65
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    @seedtick not true. Look at gun free zones. I would say the aurora theater was directly caused by gun control.
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    @NTBFW Both of you miss my point. It is offered in the context of the liberal argument...they think that the lack of gun control kills people. I am just as much against gun control as you are.
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    Their are many here that especially on this issue hear only what the government leads you to believe.Have you ever heard of the Cato institute?It as group of non- government researchers in the most respected think tank on nearly all subjects.Go to their web site and read their home page to better understand their functions.Then checkout www.cato.org gun control- myths-realities.Know what your talking about society will benefit.
  • #170
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    Sandy hook was a hoax to make it to where the government would be able to bypass the second amendment. Therefore being one step closer to marshal law and coming to the NWO (new world order)
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