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  • #88
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    @methinks
    I would have thought so. I have several friends who are either RNs or FNPs, who say that while personally they would have done anything to save her, they don't want to condemn the nurse without more info. For me the recording says it all.
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    She should have provided any care she knew how to do. Did she, or did she not take an oath when becoming a nurse. Now, I don't know the laws of California, nor do I care what they were. It is hard to understand how someone can actually watch someone in that kind of physical distress without trying to give aid. And, the lack of emotion she expressed in her phone converstation is unbelievable. Now, I am not too emotional during a crisis, I tend to be a reactionary who responds immediately to the crisis. So, maybe I am not the one to give an opinion concerning this incident. But, there it is anyway.
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    Sure, it has nothing to do with the greedy bastards who own the home and don't want to be held liable if someone is injured while receiving cpr at all. It must be a union that made the rule. Not the owner or a lawyer in accounting at all...
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    @frigginhell
    Remember it is never the greedy people making millions it is always the people who are lucky if they make a living wage.
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    This "heartless person" and the deceased are both victims of corporate capitalism.
    Rule one of American capitalism is "PROFITS BEFORE PEOPLE!"
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    Morelikely she wasn't a union member. A union member would have given the CPR knowing her union could contest her being fired in arbitration...
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    I'm sorry. I think this woman should be indicted for negligent manslaughter, Even SOLDIERS are allowed to disobey unlawful orders, and allowing someone to die because you're afraid of discipline/losing your job is the epitome of reckless and callous indifference to human life and suffering, especially by a freaking NURSE!
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    I am a nurse, I worked in a facility with seniors, or oldsters as my DON referred to them as. Way on earth did she call 911 if she wasn't going to do a damn thing about this!?! This world is going to hell in a hand basket on roller skates!! RIP little lady, hopefully she didn't have much pain.
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    I don't think it is reasonable to call this woman a nurse. A nurse would have started CPR while a receptionist or even another resident called 99.
    I'd rather end up having to work at Wendy's then keep my job because I let someone die.
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    @Cheenoguy
    This just breaks my heart. I got attached to all my residents. There are many questions running through my mind, was the lady a DNR? What kind of facility is this? Where were the other staff members? Where were the other residents? Were there visitors in the facility? Why didn't anyone do something?
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    @texas_cutie75
    Appears she was not DNR. It is the facility policy to not perform CPR.
    I know around here nursing home nurses make next to nothing. Guess what kind of quality that gets them.
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    @Cheenoguy
    Actually in my neck of the woods, nursing home nurses make pretty good money. I was very happy in the home setting. What kind of nursing school did this "woman" go to. How completely heartless!!
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    Just another example of how the medical community doesn't give a damn about patients! It's all about how much can they bleed from Medicare, Insurance Companies, etc..... when the money runs out .... basically you can drop dead because they won't lift a finger to help you.

    Seeing how this was a nursing home or something along that line, it probably wouldn't have made any difference and hopefully she's in a better place!
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    My word this was a human being in need old but still alive.The boss says dont do it ?As an employee drag her of the property and try as a citizen .WTF
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    This place is like a motel. They just want your money and then for you to go away. How can this woman be so uncaring. What comes around goes around!
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    I think she would have had a better chance of living if she WERE at a motel. At least someone with CPR knowledge could step up an do what they were trained to do. That this "nurse" refused to perform what she was qualified to do, out of simple human decency, is a travesty.
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    There are retirement communities in both California and Arizona where old people go to die. They have do not resuscitate demands in their files. How did all of your right wingers suddenly become experts on this case? Are you that afraid of dying?
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    I'm with you.....DNR would be my choice at 86. But, the dead womans' daughter says there was NO DNR for her Mother at Glenview Gardens.
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    @BossTweed then on who's authority was the Nurse acting? That remains to be seen. Guess that's why there is an investigation as there should be if the Nurse broke policy. But Nurses don't set policy. Administrations do and if the location had a DNR policy the daughter should have known that. I just oppose people making snap judgements on something like this because we simply don't know why the nurse refused CPR at this time.
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    @Jet_Silverman Someone else just posted that the daughter of the deceased woman is a nurse as well and supporting the refusing Nurse. I haven't read that yet but are you going to go against the daughter also?
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    @jessejaymes Yes. It wasn't the daughter's life. The mother was in a home, so they obviously were't broke. Maybe the daughter just wanted her mother's money.
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    That's the sad litigious state of the country we live in now. You have to worry about getting sued because they allow people to sue for recusitating a person and they die or you injure them during the recusitation, and now thay want to make it a crime if you don't do it at all to protect yourself from frivilous litigation. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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    As reprehensible as this story is us it a sign if the times that losing your job is actually a choice when faced with the death of another person
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    Can the law force someone else into action? I think the 4th amendment coul be leveraged. Especially if you consider its overleveraging for Roe v Wade.
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    I don't know if the 4th can be invoked - the nurse could claim the woman had a *reasonable* seizure.

    However, the 5th might work: since we're all owned by the State now, they could invoke Eminent Domain to save her.
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    @wonka45ACP - Its funny how people think the police are there for them. If you report a crime and the police get there on say... Sunday, you have no recourse except through political persuasion.
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    I have do not a resuscitate demand on my person at all times. I don't know the particulars of this situation and I'm not going to "take a side here". All I'm going to say is I hope I don't live to 87 years old and I hope if I do and I collapse that people will mind their own business and let me go. Jeez.
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    Isn't that a little extreme considering you are only 66? They would have said she had a DNR by now, I would think. If you hear the 911 call, the lady was being an ass.
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    if nothing else Jessie we can depend one the GOP to breathe life into the dead particularly when the dead is ACORN .
    The HR budget has now defunded the long defunct organization Acorn. Acorn ceased to exist in 2010 and hasn't been funded since
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    @AlexMIA Alex you know I try and try and try with you but you just won't have it will you? I played Division one wide receiver at 6' 175 -185. I was a third down "possession receiver". You could need 7 yards and I'd get you 8 even sandwiched between two 225 lb linebackers. I would hold onto the ball. I had a broken collarbone, dislocated hip, broken noses, broken ankle and outside of football two broken wrists, broken ankle again, shot, stabbed and facial reconstruction surgery from a screwdriver being plunged into my face three times. Today I have back, neck, hip, knee and ankle problems. I never spend a day not in pain. Not one. So if you don't mind I base my opinions on people making their own decisions for themselves. The Nurse may be a dick. Or the nurse may have just been following instructions. May have been following the deceased instructions. How did you get to be such a know it all?
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    According to the latest reports she did not have a DNR, strangely enough her daughter who is also a nurse has come out in defense of the home and of the actions of the nurse on duty.
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    <<<A nurse at Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield, Calif., refused to give Lorraine Bayless CPR after she collapsed last Tuesday in the dining room and was barely breathing. The nurse called 911 for help, saying it was against the facility's policy for staff to give CPR.

    "It's a human being," dispatcher Tracey Halvorson says on a 911 tape released Sunday by the Bakersfield Fire Department. It was aired by many media outlets Monday.

    "Is there anybody that's willing to help this lady and not let her die?"

    "Um, not at this time,'' the nurse said. Bayless was declared dead at Mercy Southwest Hospital later Tuesday.

    "I was appalled to hear of a policy at a facility that will not give CPR,'' says Robyn Grant, director of public relations and advocacy for The National Consumer Voice for Quality Longterm Care. "Who knew? I guess this has never come up before, but it will from now on. It's an incredible tragedy."

    KGET-TV says Bayless' daughter told the station she is a nurse and was "satisfied with Glenwood's handling of the situation." It said she had no "do not resuscitate" order on file.

    The executive director of Glenwood Gardens, Jeffrey Toomer, defended the nurse's actions, saying she did indeed follow policy.

    "In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives," Toomer said in a written statement. "That is the protocol we followed.">>> >

    I have so many questions about this. My first is how can any facility dealing with elderly patients possibly not have emergency procedures in place for any possible event? What would happen if the place caught fire? Is their practice simply to call the fire department and wait?

    How did anyone know immediately what the woman collapsed from? Was she choking? Did anyone check her airway?

    The daughter?!?!? Now THERE'S a question. She's satisfied with the handling of the situation? Are you kidding me? If that had been my mother and allowed her to lay there unassisted on the floor dying I would have torn the place apart. My own mother collapsed of a heart attack and my poor dad, who'd never done CPR in his life, did the best he could until help arrived. Just like Mrs. Bayless, my mom passed away anyway, but that's not the point. The point is, you do everything you can to save a life until nothing more can be done.

    I feel poor Mrs. Bayless was allowed to die because she was old and no one cared. The facility probably has a waiting list. They don't care if it's Mrs. Bayless's money or someone else's.

    What a shameful damn country we've become that we scream and take to the streets for the unborn, but everyone else's life means very little.
  • #108
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    this woman did nothing wrong, you dont know the whole story and once again, you can blame frivolous lawsuit lawyers for this one.
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    http://news.sky.com/story/1060648/cpr-refusal...

    I am an RN in a hospital. I can't imagine working in a facility with a policy that says I can't save someone's life without a DNR form. However, it was the policy at this facility to call 911 and nothing else, and all residents and families are aware and sign a waiver when they move in. The nurse acted appropriately in this matter.
  • #106
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    This nurse is a complete imbecile. I can't even really form a complete thought about her because I'm so flabbergasted. And speechless is not something I find myself very often..... Unreal!
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