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    I don't get why some crimes are called hate crimes. Aren't all murders done out of hate? I have never seen a love murder. Or is this another example of "special laws" that some groups want like "special marriages"?
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    We rarely agree on anything but here we just might. I don't see the need for "hate crime" designation. Murder in the first degree is murder period.
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    Educate yourself. Learn what the term hate crime means, and don't just parrot right wing talk show hosts. Everybody is protected equally by hate crime laws. Whether a crime is a hate crime or not is determined by the criminal's motivation. Taking motivation into account when punishing a crime is nothing new. Hate crimes have a worse effect on the community at large. Crimes with worse effects should be punished more harshly.
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    A single act of violence is a terrible thing but it is a crime against one person. A hate crime is an act of violence that is meant to bring fear to an entire group of people. For instance, burning down your neighbor's house because you hate him is arson. Burning down a synagogue because you want the Jews in your neighborhood to know they're next is a hate crime.
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    ...and a good example of why Hate Crime laws are silly. There was plenty of hate involved to justify the death penalty, whether or not race or sexual preference was a factor.
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    are we going to give it to Eric Holder when he begins to kill citizens inside the USA?

    Eric Holder refuses to rule out drone strikes in US
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    @Vance1 What does that have to do with this. I'll answer for you so you don't beat around the bush. It has absolutely nothing to do with this. Zero, nada, zilch. You got an axe to grind do it on the appropriate threads. This was about a man who actually was dragged and beaten and burned to death. This is not some what if or some other fantasy fairy tale scenario you have brewing you in your conspiracy filled mind. I'm guessing the guy that actually did this probably sounds a lot like you. You see a thread about a gay black democrat being lynched in Mississippi and see it as a reason to attack Eric Holder. You really need to get over it.
    Yes, this was most likely a hate crime. I'm going to guess someone had some kind of preconceived notion and prejudices about this man and carried out the murder without even actually knowing the man.
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    @frigginhell You're going to guess the persone had some kind of preconceived notion and prejudices? How about the person that committed the crime was just a sick individual? And since this is a "local" crime, who the hell is the federal goverment to force their laws on the states. Mississippi already has laws on the books for murder and that is what this is, plain and simple. So let me ask you this, if a white man's home is invaded and he is tied up and tortured and then set on fire while he is still alive, and the suspect that was arrested was black, is that a "hate" crime or just a crime?
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    Punishment for crimes should be clearcut and the same for everyone. "Hate crime" is a ridiculous law that allows for uneven prosecution and makes getting a fair trial more difficult, if not impossible. Murder is murder, crime is crime, doesn't matter the reason or motivation of the perpetrator.
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    I don't know what the full story is here but when someone is found beaten, dragged, and set on fire and unclothed on a riverbank it looks like there may be quite a bit more going on than a lovers spat gone bad. I hope that this crime is investigated fully. As we all know Mississippi doesn't have the best reputation when it come to investigating the murders of controversial black men. Let the FBI come in and investigate this crime.
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    @NTBFW Posting that you have an "insiders" viewpoint repeatedly doesn't really add to the ongoing conversation if you are just using it to look special. Which is essentially what you are doing since you are mum about what "else" this was.
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    @Fishbone345 whatever. I just asked a few people and all I heard was it was business. More to it than just a hate crime. Surely you know that in a small town the press is the last place to expect the real story. If I knew who did it or anything I would tell the authorities. It's just not as cut and dried as its being reported. That's all.
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    @NTBFW I was replying to what PNwest was saying. Telling him that he is right. There is more than what's being reported
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    @NTBFW The point is, you have repeatedly posted as if you have some "insiders" point of view, yet you haven't shared it. Its the "I'm a special snowflake" post.
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    Why is it we only hear the words hate crime when it involves gays? There are Churches burnt to the ground and I hear little mention of those being hate crimes.
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    @FollowTheMoney Putting a murderer to death just makes their sentence that much easier to face. Its not punishment to release them from this world.
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    too late we already have for some foolish reasons a protected class of people,kind of like a protected animal species on the endangered list. crime is crime i do not get the idea of a crime being worst only if it is done against certain groups.
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    @Fishbone345 Understood, but I'm not looking to punishment or revenge. I'm only looking to rid the world of murders. Make their deaths painful if it helps satisfy anyone's need for punishment .
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    I worked in law enforcement for some years. When people do an about face on loved ones, especially due to what the perpetrator feels is a personal betrayal, the assault/murder can be quite GHOULISH and HORRIFIC. This one is no exception, and we don't have enough facts yet to assume it's a hate crime. Particularly when I read somewhere that the prime suspect is AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
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    "Hate" is such an easy label to apply. A "Hate Crime" even more so.

    The truth lies in the evidence uncovered by investigation.

    SHOULD law enforcement investigate as if it were a "hate crime"? No.

    They should investigate...and if the evidence points toward a crime designed to inspire fear in all gay or black or balding or glasses wearing or well dressed or smiling people....then it should be considered a "hate crime".

    Until then, it's a crime like the hundreds committed daily.
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    I agree this is a death penalty case if anything is but I'm trying to understand when a black man killing a black man became a specific hate crime unless the family is saying the guy killed him because he was gay?
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    Here is my opinion (you know what they say about those)...no one life is worth more than another. If you kill someone, regardless of motive or method, you get the death penalty. Period. WHY you killed that person is irrelevant. You killed them and should die as a result. My life is not worth more than yours. Therefore my killer shouldn't get a stiffer penalty than yours.
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    @culinary In a perfect world where we know beyond a shadow of a doubt the killer in every murder case, I would agree with you. But we don't have a perfect justice system, or one even close to perfect, so I have a hard time with this kind of mentality towards all murders. FWIW I'm very pro death penalty, just not in all cases.
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    @AceLuby I understand that. And I guess I should have ammended the statement with if we knew for sure...
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    murder is a hate crime when a person is killed because they are a homosexual or lizbian does not make them any more dead making some one special because they want to marry some one of the same sex is not fair also it is not like the civil rights movement for a black woman can marry a white man and prouce children 2 men or 2 woman can not produce children
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    Did anyone miss these two became "freinds" before his death.
    Depends on what kind of "Freinds" they were. If they were intimate it would characterize as Domestic Violence, not hate crime.
    Don't put the cart before the horse.
    If it turns out is was because if his sexuality, yes, give to Feds for prosecution.
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    Are "Rednecks" and "Crackers" covered under the hate crime law? They are a minority that many other groups don't like. When do they get special laws so they can marry 1st cousins? Or legally park 10 junk cars in their front yard? Or go to Wal-Mart without the fear of being photographed and having it put on world wide web sites for everyone to ridicule? OMG where is the justice?
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    The over the top nature of the assaults it was hate the question is it because of some personal relationship or an attack because of a group he belonged to. To find out requires Investigation for the answer of the motivation.
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    My question is why did no one complain about hate crime penalties until they included or tried to include the GLBT community? Everyone supported them until then. I don't see anyone advocating for their removal for race or religion or gender but including sexual orientation causes an uproar. I think that shows how necessary they are.
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    If I believed in hell, I would hope there is a special place for people that do things like this. Murder is one thing....this is something entirely different.
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    To do that much to him sounds exactly like a hate crime, but if he was in a sexual relationship with one of his killers then it couldn't be. Sounds like there is a lot more investigating to do. I've never heard of a crime of passion being this prolonged!
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    My heart goes out to the family. Rest in peace Marco McMillian. I pray your suffering wasn't long and that in rest you can find the peace denied you by this atrocious act.
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    Nobody wakes up in the morning and wants to have someone invade their personal privacy and behave hostile toward them in a way that brings about a repetitive persistent question of my character and encourages others to behave hostile." People have families, they have childhood friends, they have basic interests in paying their bills and holding down a responsible job. When someone with a criminal background makes a false hostile LGBT accusation, a person's identity and privacy is stolen from them. it seems as if every criminal scum or vicious right wing militant extremist wants to reign down fire and brimstone. They place themselves in the position of authority not granted to them. They are not God Almighty, or a judge, or a jury or a parent, but they roll up on their target with hostility that would get them put down if they tried that in a person's home at two in the morning. They don’t get both sides of a story. They don’t think if the accuser is the trouble maker or worse if they have a criminal background. They don’t apply a sense of Christian decency in their moderated response which is what they supposedly project as a quality of their life. I'm not talking clever about how to get people to accept LGBT. This is a specific... hypothetical... example of how an abusive DUI license suspended alcoholic welder or a couple years later how an abusive Atlanta TX HHSC DADS social service worker news reported pedophile pastor could set a non-LGBT person up for a very serious fall. Its entertainment to people like that. Cold-blooded, sadistic entertainment to cause a lone person to tail spin like that. Hate crime latency of thought is what causes law enforcement and witnesses to do the wrong thing and abandon someone to a crime like that. That’s when you see a very wrong social dynamic in society in its response to this issue. All people deserve to be protected from crime, that doesn’t mean you have to endorse all subjects, but criminals should never be given a free pass to gain experience and confidence in harming others.
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    If you are the target of an armed robbery, there is an understood quality to the crime that the focus is on the criminal’s behavior, or that it was random chance, or that it could have been anyone as the target. Hate crime makes the target a person of interest, there is personal purposeful connection forced upon the target, and it is a specific motivation toward that target alone that would not necessarily be forwarded onto other random people. Most crime could be vaguely defined as hateful, but there is a personal discriminatory hostility in addition to just the crime itself. I have been targeted by a masked armed robbery in a small business and that did not bring my life into question nor did it encourage others to repeat the armed robbery. If a person were to be accused falsely of LGBT by what turned out to be DUI license suspended alcoholic welder in Nash TX, then that filth talk from an abusive drunkard would not just stay with that one confrontation. Gossip, defamation, harassment and innuendo would extend say to more than one confrontation in the community, and local PD would be slow if not negligent or business-protective to react by not filing a complaint properly or behaving aggressive or disrespectful themselves. Their inaction and own religious beliefs would basically conflict with their professional responsibility to protect and serve. Hypothetically speaking.
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