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    I think the issue is why are 14.7% needing food stamps? If they need them give them to them. We have to get theses people to a point they don't need them.
  • #137
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    This one is a no brainer. The half witted half assed politicians need to stop chasing all the jobs overseas. Bring the jobs home and then change welfare to workfare.
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    @marine1 contrary to what some believe the US isn't a very easy country to do business in. Over regulation and taxes are stifling jobs growth. Most companies do pay a lot in taxes.
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    @marine1 ..............Workfare is the KEY for the able bodied. But, Dems resist it though it would be great for the least fortunate's self esteem and in many cases give them the OJT necessary to getting a decent job. Dems see the poor as sure votes who will ALWAYS vote for them ONLY as long as they remain hopeless and dependent. Very sad.
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    Because if you don't eat, you die. Simple as that. Not a whole lot of choices if you no longer receive unemployment and you are not a parent who can receive AFDC. A lot of people are either too qualified for many jobs or too unqualified, inexperienced for others.
    Most people, given a choice, don't want handouts. This is a tough decision for many Americans, especially after they've lost their jobs, their health benefits, and their homes.
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    Turns out that trickle down economics doesn't work all that well.

    You have to wonder why the Republicans keep trying to get us to accept it.

    Who do you think they really represent?
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    Lets see ... compared to most generations before them ... the bulk of food stamp recipients today are so lazy that they stink. If you've ever been to Wal-Mart at the beginning of the month, you know what I'm talking about! These people that look like they just crawled out of a hole always seem to have money for cigarettes and beer but shampoo, soap, and toothpaste apparently don't figure into the equation. Owning my own business, I can also tell you that most of these people do their best to get fired so they can get back to sitting around on their fat, lazy ass. It's a miracle if you can find someone that isn't a thief, drug addict, alcoholic, or lazy turd to work with you these days. We haven't had anyone approach us for a job since Bill Clinton was in office. Before that, we use to try multiple people out for the same job, how times have changed!
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    Wouldn't wanna live in your world. Around here there aren't any job openings because they're taken as fast as they open up. There are the lazy ones. they get figured out quick. The extremely larger majority would just like to have a job and minimum wage is all there is here. They take it.
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    Here's a solution: stop shopping in places frequented by those you find inferior and imperfect. That should keep you home a lot more.

    BTW--I never shop at wal-mart--you're shipping money directly to china by doing so. Which takes manufacturing jobs away from americans and shuts down american businesses. So don't lecture ANYONE about their shopping habits.
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    @cpeter133

    I would love to not have to shop at Wally World but since they've run every small business that was in direct competition with them out of business I no longer have the luxury of making a choice. How am I lecturing anyone on their shopping habits and how does that have any bearing on this arguement?

    I didn't say imperfect or inferior (I'm not comparing anyone to myself or anyone else)... I said thief, drug addict, alcoholic, and just plain lazy gutter rat ... there's big difference ... lol.
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    @JustTheFacts
    And you know these people are " thief, drug addict, alcoholic, and just plain lazy gutter rat"? The last especially shows you judging others as inferior.
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    Offer your biased conjecture with confidence that you're correct but I assure you that you'll never know the answer unless you live a year of your life in our shoes. A typical monthly budget - $800 rent for dump with dangerous electrical problems and pet rats the size of footballs leaving as much as $300 for utilities, medicine, and food. I am truly thankful that I own my place and know how to grow my own food and make many of my medicines. I'd guess that a lot of you just take you want from grocery store shelves without paying attention to price. A trip to the grocery store is voluntary submission to robbery.
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    Some combination of all of the above, but mainly because Congressional conservatives pushed through and enacted legislation that enabled the Stock Market insider cadre to bankrupt the Economy and damn near crash the entire Worlds' economic stability which, BTW, we STILL haven't recovered from because of just how far reaching the ramifications of illicit Market manipulation are.
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    I was on food stamps for alomst a year. I had to sell possessions to make the bills and buy more food because EBT barely covered the food I had to buy, and FORGET buying healthy. It was nearly impossible. Enough healthy food for 2 weeks just for me and I was at the steps of a food bank hoping to get a few more things by the middle of the month.
    Its a terrible way to live and it wasn't by choice. No one, NO ONE wants to struggle and barely have enough food to survive the month. Its sad people who never have to worry about food think we CHOOSE/CHOSE to live that way.
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    According to the U.S. Census Bureau for 2013 more than 43 million Americans are living in poverty. That's the highest amount in over 50 years. Unemployment is certainly part of the problem, but income inequality is a bigger issue. To receive food stamps for a family of three, the poverty line in federal fiscal year 2013 is $1,591 a month. Can you imagine? The distance between rich and poor is greater in America than nearly all other developed countries, making the US a leader in a trend that economists warn has dire consequences.
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    More Americans are poor; their unemployment benefits have run out; the government is no longer counting them as 'unemployed'; the economy is still in the crapper; human beings need food to exist/survive; now they can't even go to the White House on tours and make a detour through the kitchen to grab leftovers from the 1st Garbage Cans.
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    It been rough for me and my old man since I couldnt find a job in my field, yet, had to go back to retail but he been helping with my bills and student loans so glad that Im working again so he doesnt have to help me out anymore cause he got his hospital bills from his eye surgery and his credit card debt. It has been slightly hard to make ends meet but I went our state website just to see if we qualify and guess we do but havent applied for it. Too much pride me and my dad have to get some assistance. Before got the jb I have now I was unemployed for a year and 4 months and got to say it was boring as hell lol.
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    keep bringing in more people and more will soon be on those rolls. it should not be easy to get away with just saying a company cannot find help it needs to be proven without room for doubt before a visa is given.
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    Me and my wife both have crap paying jobs. We still manage to put between $500-$1000 a month in savings. Times are tough and many people do really need a little help but I've known more people on food stamps who just won't work than those who are trying hard. There are jobs out there if you really want to work for a living.
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    Really? We get a lot of 'Work from Home' and "Be a truck driver" offers around here. Folks would just love to have those jobs like you THINK there is.

    Whoops, I forgot. There was an ad to work in a plastics plant the other day. Forgot about that one. Of course, it's three states away and you know how well those jobs pay (if you don't, it's minimum wage or just a tad more). How much you wanna bet that's a BS ad.(IMMIGRANTS> NEED MORE IMMIGRANTS> AMERICANS ARE LAZY!)
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    @justapirate a pirate walks into a bar. Bartender looks up and says," Is that a steering wheel in your pants?" Pirate says," Aye, and its driving me nuts."
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    @TheHandsomeOne i easily fall into the peasant catagory i just dont want a handout unless there is no other way. And there is always another way.
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    Maybe if we had soup kitchens like in the 30's and 20's, took away food stamps, you would see a reduction in the users of the system. They would get healthy meals and not be able to pick what they wanted. I'm sure a large majority of the ones on food stamps need them, there are the skimmers that cheat the system and get them to avoid having to work. Try to get all of them to work if possible. I do have compassion on the poor, and hope we can find them jobs that are substantial to being them into the middle class if possible. Work programs are also an idea, let them clean sidewalks, work in parks and other community services in exchange for food stamps or food kitchens.
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    @TheHandsomeOne I have no problem with that, however we were talking about another subject, try to stay on track.
  • #131
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    @Bill2E ......I am on topic.... I'm showing you just the tip of the iceberg why welfare for poor exists and that it pales wildly with WELFARE for the vulgarly wealthy.

    It's a shame this doesn't anger everyone in the lower 97%.
  • #133
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    @TheHandsomeOne It does anger everyone in the lower 97%, there is another topic on that and it has been discussed. When you run for office and offer a solution to the problem you will have started to correct the problem.
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    There are working families where without SNAP, it is have a roof over their families head or have food in their stomachs. SNAP is a program that does not need to be messed with. Even with snap it is not enough money and they have to utilize food pantries also. Keeping our poor and elderly fed is important. No one in this country should go hungry! This nation is too far advanced to let hunger be a problem. School breakfast and lunches at free or reduced rate is also something that should be left in place. People are giving charity by giving money and food to food banks and pantries. They are very much needed because snap benefits are not high enough to keep food for a family for an entire month. Especially nutrishes food. It costs more the the alternative. With the help of food banks and pantries, these people can get more nutrishes food for their children. One or the other doesn't work, it takes both! People can call it entitlement programs all they want. This is one program that should be left alone, along with WIC. Have you seen how much formula costs? Some women cannot breast feed because of work schedules not allowing for pumping and their milk stops producing because of it. Other mothers just can't produce milk or cannot produce enough milk. I fell into the catagory of not being able to produce enough milk with all three of my children. I tried every trick in the book each time to try to produce enough milk. It didn't work. I had to buy formula to supplement my lack of milk. It was very expensive. Especially when you consider the costs of diapers and baby wipes. I tried to go the route of clothe diapers with each child. It's pretty much a disaster and with my first two I was working and going to college. Most day cares and home sitters refuse cloth diapers. Staying home with my last, I tried cloth one more time. Disasters! I tried to make it easier with a diaper service. It still was a disaster, so I ended up giving up. Please help by contacting your congressmen and asking that snap, wic and school breakfast and lunch programs be left alone. This is too important to let these programs be cut and American citizens and children go hungry! I don't care about people's arguement that people should not have had kids if they couldn't feed them. A lot of families did start out able to feed their families. Factories closing and going to other countries and mechanical design invented that does away with the work a human used to do along with the recession changed a lot of families ability to pay for both a roof over their families heads and feed them too.
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    Companies would rather outsource than pay Americans a wage they can make a living off of. Soon they won't even have to outsource, they'll just bring cheap labor over on visas. That percentage of Americans on food stamps is only going to get higher the way we're doing things. Corporate America...
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    Add the disintegration of the family, that is, a married couple raising children, that is, a man and a woman, that is, an actual man from birth and an actual woman from birth, husband and wife, father and mother.
  • #57
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    Please. The disintegration of the family happened years ago as divorce rates shot up to 50%, destroying any true sense of a family unit, real father figures etc. Did that have anything to do with homosexuality? Umm, no. Add to it the educated class stopped having as many children and the poor starting having 5 kids by 4 different fathers. No, that couldn't be it.
    Here's a thought to make you drop your Bible in shock. Is it possible that homosexual unions could actually invigorate the family unit, strengthened by a passionate group that would actually cherish the idea and live harmoniously, at least for the next 50 years while it's still new?
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    @MattiMuck Then you better come up with something better than your first statement. The family unit is all but destroyed, and homosexuality is the absolute least of its problems.
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    @Firestorm I'm not sure why you are making this about homosexuality. It is certainly an issue, but like you explained divorce, promiscuity, single parenting are also the major factors in the disintegration of the family and actually the poverty and crime rate are significantly affected by the lack of a traditional family unit. The specifics I gave were merely to identify what I (and God) consider a family.

    I'm also aware that it started getting bad in the 50s...well, it doesn't happen over night, and 2 generations later here we are, living in an entitlement driven society. As the family goes, so goes the nation.

    All of this really was encompassed within my first post i.e. the disintegration of the family (see above for my explanation of family).
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    @MattiMuck Well, if that is truly the case then I will apologize. Your initial post had just about every undertone to say yea, marriage. Boo, gays.
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    I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.

    Benjamin Franklin
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    And how does one get 'driven' out of poverty? Which countries do less for the poor, but have greater upward mobility?
  • #43
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    @AceLuby "And how does one get 'driven' out of poverty? " One thing is certain, throwing more money at it is not working. We have spent trillions on the war on poverty and no results.
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    @IMAQT That's not what I asked. You claimed that one can be 'driven' out of poverty. I want to know how that works, I'm not interested in the failures of the current system, I want to know why the system you're dreaming of would work better.
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    @justapirate your shopping bill doesn't "neuter" anything since you're just one person who may or may not have unusual shopping habits.
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    @justapirate I keep seeing people saying that. I wonder how you figure this? I have a fairly large salad i buy in a pack for a dollar with a small can of raw tuna (no mayo) for 82 cents and a dab of fat free ranch on it for lunch six days a week. Costs me less than two dollars for lunch. Fills me up. Satisfies my need for meat. How much does a big mac cost?
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    Most food you buy in a store is horrible fr your body, I think people should learn how to garden vegetables, And eat less processed foods. We've started to grow our own foods to help out a bit at home, and it makes a difference. Self sufficiency is something we should strive for. Dirt is free, we should utilize it haha
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    The reality here is that the rich are destroying the middle class by design. Once that number of people on food stamps/welfare/medicaid reaches around 25-30% the ultra rich will pull the rug and leave these people like the peons in Mexico in small towns. No jobs, no support system, no government services. See ya around. That's exactly what is coming. But in order to facilitate the rich destroying the middle class without revolution while they do it they will temporarily prop up the poor minimally so the very middle class they are destroying will have someone else to bitch about.
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    @jessejaymes Ahhh Jesse. The government is destroying the middle class and everyone else above and below.
    If our politicos were not on the take the corps would not be in a feeding frenzy.
    Likewise, the same politicos have a conflict of interest. This being they have stolen so much they are in the top 3% and do not want to close their loopholes.
    The problem is the DC crowd.
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