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  • #6
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    Here in South Georgia people go buy flag poles for hundred of dollars to fly a confederate flag. Some people love to meddle in the past.
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    There is nothing wrong with flying a confederate flag, it reminds us of the slavery we had and the war that was fought to free slaves. We need to remember these important things daily so we don't fall into them again. If your a racist redneck, voice your opinion and also listen to your opposition, I'm sure this group of people exists and would like slavery returned, let them identify themselves with this flag so we see who they are and keep a close eye on them. Never again in the USA should there be a slave or anything close to it.
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    @Bill2E We seldom disagree but we do here concerning "there is nothing wrong with flying the Confederate flag". I was raise in redneck country and the flag flying.; To this day I have never known a person who flew the Confederate flag who also didn't use the N word, who didn't call Latino's ever racist name they could think of and the same for Jews. It makes it harder for rational people to make rational debate concerning controlling our border/dealing with gangs and so when you have a group of redneck racists behind you flying that flag and cheering anything that remotely sounds like what they embrace. Makes it real hard. There is a huge difference between conservatism and just being a redneck hick.
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    @Bill2E I believe you are completely off base when you think they are people that would want slavery returned,thats just crazy. These so-called "rednecks" as you liberals like to use the racist term so freely, would just be happy if blacks and latinos would just go back to their homeland or stay here and quit their bitchen. The only people I see even mention race anymore are the minority themselves or the liberal democrats. I havn't seen no white folk in white hoods saying not ONE WORD about no one or race anymore,its sthe ones who are accused of being racist are the ones being called racist names. Why can't we all just be Americans and if the leftwing nutjobs would just quit with all their lies and propaganda bullshit that all old white men and republicans are racist, they would be no racism. The liberal democrats are the ones who keep this fire burning and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
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    @Bill2E Would you also condone people flying the Nazi swastika? As long as people continue to be offended by these symbols they should remain in museums and other places of history, not in government buildings. Maybe in the distant future people will no longer care, like we no longer care about the symbols of the roman empire.
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    Agreed. Displaying the flag would be free speech right? Heck in some circles displaying the American Flag is anathema and offensive.....{in certain states the Mexican Flag has been flown above and instead of the American Flag}.....
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    Here is the key to the controversy - if you asked Robert E. Lee, he would have said the Confederate battle flag represented resistance to the violent invasion of his country by a foreign power, the United States. The United States won (which is fine by me), but we should respect the viewpoint of the other side.
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    @Ryuo To be respectful of whatever significance the flag has, place it in a museum where those who feel it is a part of their heritage can see it when ever they want. To me, it's like I wanting to display the Black Power flag at a capitol building because it is part of my heritage. It's my heritage not everyone's else. So It along with the Confederate flag should not be shown there.
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    @Ryuo I have to disagree. The rebellious states were part of the United States when they began their violent revolt. They weren't invaded by a foreign nation.
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    I am 1/2 black. So I am not some fully white person saying this. The Confederate flag is part of the history of the south. It has nothing to do with racism or slavery back then. That black people have decided it means what it doesn't is no reason to take the flag down. I am from the south and I take no offense what-so-ever with the Confedetate flag! If I had a flag pole I would have no problem displaying the confederate flag. Frankly I'm sick of whites having to walk on eggshells to keep from offending black people! If there was a white history month celebrated, how do you think blacks would react? There's a black history month. If there was a whites only university now, how do you think blacks would react? I know for certain of at least one blacks only university. If there was a college scholarship program that only whites could apply for, how do you think blacks would react? The United Negro College Fund. If a black man and a white man went in trying to get the same job and the black man was highly educated and more experienced for that job, but the white man got it because of an antiquated law that is no longer needed, how do you think blacks would react? Affirmative action! Black people call each other niggers all the time. If a white person said the word, not even directed at anyone, how do you think blacks would react? I am 1/2 black, 1/4 white and 1/4 Hispanic. In my life the people who mostly don't accept me are black. I have been called a mulsh_tto by blacks multiple times. It is a degrading mixing of mulatto which means half black. I bet they don't call Obama that!!! I'm as black he is! I really look more Hispanic. My parents who are white that adopted me moved us from the city to a town when I was I'm tenth grade. My first day at school I was called a wetback by a white boy. I had to ask my mother what that meant and she told me. She also told me what to say in response, "idiocy abounds". I did say that to that boy and he was the one who got laughed at. There's a big difference in Latinos and blacks. Latinos don't call each other racially degrading terms. I still use "idiocy abounds" when the circumstances call for it! This is one of those times. Idiocy abounds!
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    Very well said. Thank you for your post. My question is this: If you can see that then why can't these liberal white loons see that?
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    Confederate flag is part of the history of the south. And what history would that be? Why exactly did they have that flag?
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    @RollinPapers
    Oh, they do. They're just to scared to offend blacks. That's part of the reason I said I'm sick of it. For them to re-enforce the behavior, their allowing blacks to keep this up. Blacks today in our country have never been slaves, but there is still discussion in Washington about giving them money or land as compensation for slavery. No whites today in this country have ever owned a slave. Idiocy abounds again! Whites today have not done anything to hold blacks down. The projects everywhere are full of blacks. Whites today do not cause this. They do not owe them anything. If I could work my butt off waitressing while going to college with two babies and not using one bit of welfare, anyone can! It's a decision to not work your butt off and get an education and make a better life for you and your family. I'm a minority and a woman and I did it! Right now I'm sitting on the front porch of my new very nice middle class home watching the construction of the new house directly across the street. There are white men and Hispanic men. Not one black man! Through all my hard work over the years after I graduated with my last degree, a PhD in radiation physics. And my husband working as a skilled laborer, an industrial painter. That's not with paint brushes. We paid for this house outright! No mortgage! He's white with no college, but he worked his butt off to be labeled a skilled laborer in industrial painting. Right now, despite how much more money I could earn. I'm staying home with my seven year old daughter. Something I did not get to do with my sons. My husband is supporting us. My car and his truck are also paid for. Only having living expenses, no mortgage or car payments also no credit card debt. Allows me to stay home with her. I'll go back to work someday when she's older.
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    @Libertyiskey
    People seem to forget that slavery was rampant in the north too. Is anyone going to demonize the American flag? No? It's part of the history where there were slaves in the north! Idiocy abounds.
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    @BelinKS Sure but the North banned slavery before the Civil War. Plessy v Fergenson overturned that and so the Southerners tried to move their plantations up north and keep having slaves there. Then the civil war happened. I suppose you're going to tell me the South didn't secede to keep their slaves?
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    Wow a flag equals racisim...something to whine about ..but malcom x or the get whitey slogans isn't ..ok...its just who the person is that's crying racisim whether it is or not..seems to be that there isn't but one group crying it all time and hell there the worst ones at being racist
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    The confederate flag is a symbol of American history, not racism. Overly sensitive people need to get over themselves.
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    @Fitz It's part of American history but I think you are ignoring why the American Civil war was fought and what the confederate states represented. These are facts, same as the fact that the Nazis exterminated Jews. Or do you think that was brainwashing too? The confederate states should be embarrassed about it, not waving their flag. How would you like to see Germans waving the swastika?
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    @UKviewpoint You said it, represented, past tense. Get over it, it is history. Learn from it, don't repeat it. The nazi flag is a symbol also. It means no more to me than the confederate flag. It is history. Learn from it, don't repeat the same mistakes.
    The reason I even mentioned the term "brainwashed" was because it is in your bio.
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    @Fitz It seems obvious to me that the people who decided to raise the flag in a government building had not forgotten it. You have to ask yourself what reason was behind it. If it's just history it belongs in a museum otherwise it has another meaning. It may have been totally innocent as you seem to think but there is also the possibility it was a deliberate statement.
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    Like it or not, the Confederacy is part of our history. To hide all evidence that a secessionist government once occupied this continent eliminates a significant part of 19th century US history. A similar protest occurred at the POW camp at Point Lookout. It was displayed near the graves of Confederate prisoners It identifies those who gave their lives for the "lost cause." It might do well to reflect upon the fact that with the exception of the military elite, there relatively few of the planter class who actually fought in the war. There were exemptions based upon the number of slaves in their possession and those with money paid for substitutes. The majority of the "little people" were small farmers and tradesmen. Some did own slaves but most could not afford them. Slaves who were trained in various trades took income away from such people so the issue for them was the right of the federal government to supercede the rights of the states. Essentially, the same issue is being played out in the courts today.
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    Worthwhile points and today long forgotten attitudes. The best book I have read (recently) on the subject of poor southern whites is Ordeal By Fire (4th Edition) by Hogue & McPherson.
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    The question was whether the flag should have been allowed in a government building not whether it should have been allowed on graves or in museums or peoples backyards. There's a difference.
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    @UKviewpoint Point Lookout is federal property. Without the display of the Confederate flag there is little significance of the location, the events that lead to its creation, and the consequences. The Confederacy is a fact of our history. It was the creation of Southern elites who resented federal interference in what they considered to be states'rights. The Confederate state governments allowed slavery which maintained the lifestyles enjoyed by the elites. The issue of states' rights was promoted to create the necessary numbers of common folk to fight. The draft was instituted because not enough ordinary peop were sufficiently stirred by the "cause." A collateral ancestor of mine was drafted to serve in the 22nd Virginia Infantry Battalion. When his year was up he was paid $500 by an unknown shirker to serve for the duration of the war. He was an Irish immigrant who drifted South to work on a railroad. He had no stake in the game but poverty. He was shot in the leg at the First Day at Gettysburg in the engagement with the midwesterners of the Iron Brigade, developed gangrene, then typhus but returned to duty in January of 1864. He was captured at Wilderness, shipped to Point Lookout and then on to Elmira. His substitute. Pay was worthless Confederate money and he drifted about the South until taken into a disabled veteran's home where he died in 1902. I'm sure the finer points of the dispute were likely beyond him. Whether native or immigrant, there were many who were simply cannon fodder to maintain an archaic system. I see the display of the Confederate flag, if displayed lower than the Stars and Stripes as recognition of the Americans who sacrificed to answer the question posed in Lincoln's. Gettysburg Address: whether this nation or any nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created could long endure.(paraphrased)
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    @lochlomond I have no argument against the flag being displayed at Point Lookout. Like you say it has historical significance there. But I think the North Carolina State Capitol is a different matter. It is a government house. Having said all that I believe it is a trivial matter. It was a long time ago and there are many much more important issues to be addressed now. The flag is only an issue if it is being used as some sort of racist banner and I am probably not in a position to judge on that.
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    President Obama came up with a very funny April fools joke... he named April as national responsible budgeting month " in which is administration will teach young people how to budget money correctly.... that's a good 1, I got tears running down my eyes at the funniest thing ever
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    Anybody else out rate about the Department of Defense rejecting Purple Heart for the victims of the Muslim Colonel hasan terrorist attack?

    I looked all over the site but I couldn't find a story about it.. maybe it was under civil liberties I didn't check there.
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    Do servicemen get purple hearts if they are killed in a holdup ?Same thing Madman+gun=death ..( BTW is that sposed 2 b outraged or irate?)
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    @oldman75 you can't be that dumb really? The Muslim was shouting Allahu Akbar While gunning down unarmed American soldiers who were due to deploy to Afghanistan... and civilians. pay attention
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    They're trying to make an issue for the new governor that's all . I'm pretty sure the flag hung during the last governors tenure . is this governor had not taken it down the NAACP would have made a federal case out of it and blamed a mean spirited Republican governor. I'm pretty sure the NAACP kept their mouth shut during the preceding governors term
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    If nothing else, the placing of the Confederate flag along side the American flag and at the same height indicates a lack of proper respect for the American flag.
  • #76
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    @Thunderchicken Well a picture of a chicken probably means something to someone but would you want it flying over the Whitehouse? Oh maybe you would.
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    Most US symbols from before 1965 or so can be construed as racist, genocidal, etc. It is silly to cherry-pick one out of many. Some of my ancestors suffered ethnic cleansing and forced relocation at the hands of people carrying the United States flag, but I have no problem respecting the US flag for the positive ideas it represents.

    Now, can we argue about why the Washington DC football team is still called the Redskins?
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    Confederate Flag Removed From North Carolina State Capitol?
    why,
    This is nothing more than liberals pushing tyranny onto the people of NC

    NO way would I have given up the Confederate Flag!!!!!!!
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    After the war, no Confederate general (save Wiess of Andersonville) was executed, none of the Government leaders were executed. The symbols of the South were not banned even as the war's effects were very fresh in the peoples minds and hearts.
    Later reenactments had North and South veterans meeting on the battlefield to shake hands and embrace each other as Americans.
    Now, some 150 years later, some people who know nothing of slavery or the cost paid by an entire generation of Americans for the national sin of slavery, want to say it "offends" them, really?
    People throwing around words like treason who don't have a clue what they are talking about, judging people of the past by the standards we live under today. Envoking some sort of revenge for something that didn't affect them in the slightest.
    I hope our generations living in this time period can stand up to the same scrutiny of past and future generations when the look upon what all we've wrought. I think our talk of moral superiority would be silent.
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    Ah nothing like pretending the past never happened. The confederate flag is a part of the history of the south. What's next? Removal of civil war battlefield markers since they talk about the fight to end slavery?
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    If the people wanted to keep it up whatever if they want it down whatever I don't care. But there is not getting around the Confederate States left because they wanted to keep slaves. They thought of blacks as an inferior race and that "the negroes natural condition was slavery." I can give you multiple names for that quote because Jefferson Davis their president said it. Alexander Stephens his Vice President said it. In almost all the states petitions of secession one of the first reasons listed is to keep slaves. Sure they were fighting "tyranny" because they thought it was tyrannical of a government to prevent them from owning slaves.
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