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    Gun Rights groups are ever divided on any issue involving freedom and firearms, unless it's bickering over what is the preferred gun or something equally as minor and silly. That is just media lies and distortion.

    Such as the LIE that 90% of gun owners support background checks. The truth is the opposite, 91% OPPOSE the "Universal Background (Registration) Checks". That is why it's stalling even before getting to the Senate, because of overwhelming opposition. When the media makes some mistakes, that's understandable, but when they are as blatant as of late, they need to be called out and reprimanded.
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    correction - never* divided. Both the NRA and GOA are in support of armed faculty or guards, and just because the GOA brings up the cost issue of hiring professional rent-a-cops doesn't mean they are divided. Both are in favor of ALLOWING faculty or administrators to be armed. It's not like they have to be, but they definitely should be allowed to be if they wish and prove they are responsible enough.
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    @Concerned_Cit Also contacting the media's sponsors is very effective. The sponsors will dump funding if they think it will become a bad public relations issues to be associated with certain media outlets. Then Bloomberg and his foundations will have to waste more of their money propping them up.
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    Let me try to digest this.The NRA plan would be to expensive to save a child's life?I hate to say it but ask those that have suffered loss in school shootings if they thought paying a bit more in taxes to protect their children from the crazy's would have been worth the cost?
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    I said both of the above. We can't trust every teacher with a gun, but we do need some mixture of trained security guards and armed teachers to make sure our children are safe in school.

    I wish evil doers didn't exist, I truly do. But wishes evil didn't exist is not a solution. An armed good guy with a gun loaded with a bullet designed to send an evil doer straight to the devil is a solution.

    It's time we come together as one country and fix a problem we know we can fix.
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    @PuroChorizo361 - I'm going to let you reread my post and then come back and explain to me just where I said I can trust every teacher with a gun.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix You're insinuating a situation! You can't have it both way's. ; ) BTW Security officers can't be at all places at one time neither can teachers. If you want the problem absolutely solved get rid of guns period!
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    Ask the teachers what THEY think. I mean, aren't they the ones who are going to actually face a situation at a school while politicians have armed guards protecting them and their offices?
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    @Laity1 my ex-mother in law is a teacher and I know how she feels. I've seen so many people respond with "They went to school to be teachers; not assassins"...what a ridiculous logic. Teachers have just as much right to defend themselves as anyone else and just because they are teachers doesnt mean that they can't learn (if they don't already know) how to use a gun safely. Besides, it's not that anyone's talking about sending teachers into a war zone. The most effective aspect of teachers having the means to defend themselves is the deterrent factor. Gun free zones are a danger..all that sign does is tell criminals and psychos that these people have no means to defend themselves. I guess there are a lot of people who agree since there are school districts who have authorized their personnel to carry if they're trained. Hm..imagine that...people want to defend themselves.
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    Who in our communities are more responsible than our educators and most of them have children of their own that could need protection. Train those educators that want to be trained and thank god that they are willing to take own that responsibility.
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    Mime patrol is an excellent idea - nothing better to draw fire. Even better, let's surround our schools with mimefields. Defense in depth!
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    I have absolutely no idea where Politix.com gets these ideas. I have been a member of the National Rifle Associaton since December of 2012, and belong to another 2nd Amendment advocacy group as a life member. The NRA has sent me two (2) surveys since December 2012, and from the results of those polls can tell you that the membership of the NRA stands pretty much united. We have been warned (very credibly, I might add) that anti-gun zealots in the media would pull these sorts of stunts, fake news, etc. to DIVIDE firearms owners under the old, tried and true, method of "Divide and Conquer". We all agree that having signs proclaiming "Gun Free Zones" is like a flashing neon sign for homicidal psychos to "Come On In! It's Like Shooting Fish In A Barrel! No One's Going To Shoot Back Here!".
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    I have no problem with armed personnel at a school, but I think it should be done in conjunction with physical security on the campus and buildings of a school. Keeping a bad guy out of a building would be the best protection for students and staff. Shooting should be a last resort.
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    Armed but volunteers in the Joe Arpaio method, trained by law-enforcement and mostly stationed outside school but can go inside if need be. Would gladly be a volunteer.
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    My kids are out of school and college but I would not have a problem paying more to protect those that are not.Would you?
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    ISRAEL has been doing this for years. Against REAL BAD threats like HAMAS and PALESTINIAN terrorists. In the USA, we have pretty much SINGLE PSYCHOS. We also do NOT yet list some 120 + 2012 SAVES ..by a firearm that prevented shootings in 120 + school, kindergartens, playgrounds, stadiums, and auditorium/theaters.. IF THE DARN PRINCIPAL, Vice principal, any one or more teachers at Newton took their protection responsibility seriously enough to have been carrying .... it would NOT have happened. In 2012 ...over 106,000 Americans were killed by FDA SCREW UPS APPROVAL /DISAPPROVING MEDICATIONS. Where is all the Obama hoopla on that. I don't what my wife killed from bad medication any more then a teacher or child in Newton from a Psycho. At least at a school ... an adult can and often has in 2012 stopped a potential killing, often with NOT shooting the perp but putting the perp on the ground for arrest. There is a Doctor or two I would like to put down ..but can't.
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    All you have to do is allow school employees to carry a gun. That doesn't mean any of them have to. That's better than announcing to the world that no one in the school is armed.
    Or try locking the doors..Use the same entry procedure they use for jury duty.
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    I like your first suggestion that school employees be allowed to choose to carry guns. The security check-point approach smacks of "police-state".
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    @thumper11 If protecting our children "smacks of police-state" so be it. Our children deserve to be safe. The expense of securing the school could be the responsibility of the community, train the people in your community how to protect their school. Volunteers are unlimited in most communities for this type activity if you advertise it properly and promote it. I personally would give up one day a week to work at any of our public schools and I have training in this type activity. I would be willing to train others and bring in some top instructors in that field at no cost. There are many just like me, retired from law enforcement and knowledgable in these matters and we all have children and grand children. Use the resources you have, in larger cities, have school resource officers supplied by your police/sheriff department. Where there is a will there is a way. We need to come together as a nation and take care of the problem, forgetting political affiliations and personal prejudices, protect the children.
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    @Bill2E,
    What you say is exactly what I have been proposing - let the responsible, capable, willing, adult volunteers who are already there with a personal stake in the children, prudently carry guns to protect them. Simply repeal the "gun-free zone" laws that presently prevent them from doing so.
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    @thumper11 You don't even have to repeal the gun=free zone law, get local law enforcement to approve it along with the school. Its not expensive, free, and all you need is a little training from your local police.
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    We talk about helping other countries with their problems, hell, we cannot even secure our own children in school. Put armed guards outside the school building and screen everyone coming in including the kids. Make sure you only have one entrance and exit which is guarded. don't allow metal objects inside the school area and you eliminate most guns and knives. The first five minutes of an "active shooter" is when the most damage is done. If no one is present that knows how to deal with an active shooter, you won't prevent or stop anything. Train people and have them stand watch over our children.
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    PNWest: "Sooner or later we are going to see a school shooting because some kid gets a hold of one of these school supported guns and tragedy ensues."

    You're always thinking negative Mr. West.
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    Allow the principals, secretaries, superintendents, and possible janitors to be armed. They are all over campus throughout the day, rarely in direct contact with students, and keep in radio contact as well. Perfect solution. Principals could keep a couple AR-15's in the office as well, since rifles are preferred to pistols for protection.
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    Here's today's update on the number of people killed in the United States by gun violence since the Newtown gun massacre where gun nut and apparently NRA certified Adam Lanza ( http://www.mediaite.com/online/police-reveal-... ) dispatched 26 innocent people before ending his own miserable existence. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi... 3292+ and counting - far more than died on 9/11. The dead keep piling up and the only solution offered by the gun nuts is more guns. Adam Lanza fired 155 rounds in less than 3 minutes - that's more than 2 per second. Yet somehow an armed teacher or janitor is going to take someone like this out. How come America's foremost sniper Chris Kyles is dead? He was armed and surrounded by good guys on a SHOOTING RANGE when he was murdered by another lunatic with a gun. All of those guns and highly trained people failed to do anything to stop that tragedy. More guns and better training didn't do squat to save him.
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    @PNWest Interesting. Gun nuts are married to this idea. They have to be. It would be a travesty to have only ten round magazines; an absolute and outrageous infringement on their 2nd Amendment right.
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  • #69
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    There is no division. All groups are united and growin in numbers FAST! The more talk of gun control, the more American's panic and "cling" to their freedoms and rights.
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