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  • #15
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    Who do you think pays for Obamacare?
    The same people who pay for local, state, and federal government.
  • #23
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    I would never call Obamacare rational, but it does have the advantage of treating everybody equally. Most of us will be on Medicaid in a few years, so what's the difference if that is a step up for a few people?
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    ...OR....I guess going to a bank, robbing it for $1.00, and then going to jail, just to get healthcare coverage, isn't that far-fetched of an idea - as long as healthcare is given at others expense.

    I thought "jail/prison" is where people need to reform. When were medical services established as part of the deal?
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    @Seamus
    Exactly, so why pay the highest price possible when you could have paid a much lower price for the same care.
    Or, if preventive care is effective, avoiding the trip the ER altogether?
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    @Ryuo
    Obamacare is as rational as any new govt program, but hopefully it will get some fine tuning and tweaks.
    The real reason Obamacare is necessary is that the cost of care is going up much faster than anything but profit motive can explain.
    Obamacare will be a success if it succeeds in reducing the cost of healthcare through market forces.
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    Let me make sure I understand this. Ex Cons now join cradle to grave welfare in getting zero cost medical while seniors who foot the bill for this have to pay for their medicare, supplemental insurance, deductions and co-pays. And the seniors are the problem?
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    You have no idea what this sucker is going to do to seniors, very scarey Jesse. I hope it an be ratified.
    It's just now starting to surface on the med sites.
    I knew is was bad, but it's going to kill off the seniors fast.
    It's difficult to get HC with Medicare now (even with supplemental).
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    @jessejaymes as we both know, no politician is in this for US. Politicians are in it to rape the taxpayers and line their own pockets.
    Both parties are the same.
    Haha. The RNC keeps on calling and sending me emails. I respond with, when you get the gonads to represent the people, then we will talk.
    Haha. No response:D
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    There willbe a mandatory 62% decrease in Medicare in 2017 to pay for A "TAX."
    Kill off seniors, dampen the population with illegal drugs, line DC's pockets.
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    @Penn1699 I used to get mail as well from the Obama camp. I told them what I thought of him attacking seniors and cut the cord.
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    Um.....has this country gone nucking futs? Forgive me. That was frustration talking.....

    Let me try again.....

    In what backward world does these make sense?

    Oh yeah.....progressive liberal Bizarro World.....

    ****quadruple faceplam*****
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    @HPthinker Oh just past Pelosi said.....we'll see what's in Obamacare once we pass it Pelosi said.....if any of them get re-elected again.....I'm moving to China.....at least they have experience with running a communist government.....and the jobs will there anyway.....
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    Knightkore, this is the up side of down, bad side of good, Bizarro American World.
    If it weren't so damn sad, it would be funny.
    America should be on that show "Ridiculousness" .
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    Its a silly poll question, since in most cases, inmates already get medical attention, at the expense of the public....
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    Actually you already DO get subsidized for a great number of things.....If you use most public transportation...part of (or all in some cases) is paid for you. If you pay a mortgage & get a federal tax write-off during tax time---that is a federal gov. subsidy for you. Depending upon where you live----some electricity and power, is government subsidized....so you see YOU already do get a "hand-out"---just like the people you are so fond of criticizing.....
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    @Sonny i just scratched a check for federal tax and one for state tax - I heard today the people collecting dissability have surpassed the people getting new jobs now. Whats your awesome reasoning here? That im just a sucker for working?
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    @HPthinker If you're working, then consider your self among the lucky in this country. If you think thats being a "sucker" then quit! And instead of kicking the many who are out of work (in most cases through no fault of their own) why don't you complain to all of those so-called "job creators"-- who are sitting on their flat butts (on top of more than 2 trillion dollars)----and tell them to start creating some damn jobs!
    Instead of their whining, and trying to extort the American people for more corporate hand outs tell them to start putting people back to work.

    Further, if someone is collecting disability, then I suppose they have a "disability"?!?---So why are you complaining about another persons misfortune? Oh I see, YOU can be sick or ill, but other people have to justify their illness or disability to your satisfaction. Is easy to kick the little guy, when he's down, isn't it? But if you really want to help, then try kicking someone from the upper 10% in the seat of the pants for a change. Or are you too affraid of them?
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    actually, the Congressional Budget Office, the nonpartisan official scorekeeper of the budget, has repeatedly found that Obamacare will REDUCE the federal budget deficit. One problem that has bedeviled the GOP's repeal and replace campaign is that if they were to succeed, they would be committing the government to spend MORE money to go back to the old failed system.
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    This is just ridiculous. Our country is becoming unreal...I knew Obamacare was going to be a real bad idea, I never thought it was going to get this bad. This is
    what happens when you give 'socialists' power. We are now a country that is just
    one big 'Asylum' and the inmates are running it...unnerving!
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    PSSST Mimi!!! Get in here (looks up and down hall, slams door) Let me see your babbling card. You have got to stop doing this. Socialism means that everyone pays exactly the same for a product or service or everyone pays not at all. This is NOT socialism. Single payer, one source, everyone pays the same is socialism) Obamacare is NOT socialism but a bastardized piece of crap that the GOP and blue dog democrats cobbled together for the benefit of the insurance companies and Obama signed it. Shame on the entire bunch of them. But it's not socialism. Now, get back out there and no mumbling bumper sticker nonsense.
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    @jessejaymes Pisssssssed~ and YOU can't see that coming?!!! Boy, and to think I
    thought you were smart!...It's c o m I n g... LOOK!
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    @jessejaymes --- The definition of socialism is ;Any of various theories of SOCIAL
    ORGANIZATION which means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively. A centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
    Tell me, that you can not see that that is where we are headed?! You can't!
  • #82
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    @mimi57 All socialism is not bad Mimi. All of any "type" of government IS bad. Now you need to stop looking up things that say what you want them to say and start using your brain again. There is nothing wrong with socialized medicine. it works all over the world where it is practiced. Obamacare is not socialized medicine.
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    @jessejaymes Not yet...but it will be real soon. Look at all the 'changes'. he's made
    already, and I can't think of one that is good!!!
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    How about everyone earning their keep? Novel concept, isn't it? Prison is a subscription service, that is, you elect to do what gets you there. It's your fault, not mine. Deal with it, quit whining and don't be a parasite.
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    I hope former prisoners can find work, stay clean and become productive, taxpaying members of society. If Obamacare helps achieve those things, it's a bargain.
  • #11
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    How about if seniors start committing crimes? Would you support giving them the same FREE medical that deadbeat cradle to grave welfare and now ex cons get to stop?
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    It would be a bargain indeed. Though the concept is flawed because the real issue isn't healthcare it is a broken justice system that continues to get criminals deals and back out on the street. How is it we're concerned about healthcare for prisoners/former prisoners but indifferent at best to the healthcare of unborn children being aborted?
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    @jessejaymes There is a joke, well it is supposed to be a joke anyway, circulating on Facebook suggesting that senior citizens would be better off in prison than in a nursing home. They would get better health care, better food, and more regular showers. Yes, America has come to this, former prisoner get better treatment than senior citizens.
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    Ken, nice take on it but it's an employers market out there with more potential workers to choose from. Add in 'undocumented workers' and the outlook can be bleak for those with backgrounds.
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    Crime does pay, except for the reputation damage/loss, the freedom-free years/decades in prison, the lack of constructive work opportunities post-incarceration, the general handicapping of a life, etc. But, then again, eligibility for health care, so maybe it's worth it...
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    Pelosi wrote Obamacare. She is the truth and the light of the 'progressive" freak fringe of the Democratic Party. In November, we Voted to submit to her vision as all our pitiful families deserve. Today LA Times stated that under Obamacare 10% of all hospitals in Calif will close. If Pelosi would do that to her OWN State you can imagine how little she cares about yours.
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    Did she write it for Mitt in Massachusetts?

    How is it different?

    Honest question, I'm opposed to anything which grows the government's increasly reaching grasp and stranglehold around necks.

    That being said, why haven't Pelosi and the other insider traders, even the red gang members, been prosecuted for treason?
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    @TheHandsomeOne Very good questiion. The difference is the size and scope of "covered" issues. Pelosicare goes way way way beyond the MA voters chosen Healthcare plan. Her historic lack of basic concern for even the most obvious negative outcomes from anything she backs stems from being a diabolical "Calif" version of a Democrat.
  • #59
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    Millions of people dependent on free emergency healthcare because they don't have health insurance is a whole lot worse than any group of people having access to preventative medicine... even if their health insurance is being subsidized by me.
  • #174
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    Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, we have long been rewarding murderers, this just expands the eligibility list. The headline is nonesense. The law doesn't specifically cover prisoners, they can qualify because they meet the same standards that qualify many others. They are not applying as prisoners...
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    I'm not happy for any American getting this trash shoved down their throats.
    Government can't run everything.
    Government wants to get rid of the conservative class who tends to be older, with a HC "tax" designed for an early grave.
  • #8
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    Anyone can go to emergency room for free. Depending on hospital they will or will not sue if you don't pay . If you have no assets big deal -blood out of a turnip . .
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    @stepped_in_it no but I'd say that the headlines probably talking about prisoners who are released from prison are still going to get the same coverage they got while in prison am I close I'm gonna go read I now.but.am I close
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    @stepped_in_it ok I read it and I'm calling bs on this criminals don't commit crimes so they can afford.health insurance Hell most don't even go to the doctor unless there.dieing this is bs totally crack heroin pills and the.lack of drive to be anything more than a criminal is why they commit crimes and inmates have the best.kind of health care.while incarcerated everythings five dollars to get it fixed meds.are.free.Wtf I'd love to be.able.to get anything medical wrapped up for five bucks
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    @gregtoye Calm down.....I agree. My version of prisoner reform has to do with an island, 6 months food, seeds to go their own and a few destroyers circling the island to prevent them from ever leaving. Very humane and they can eat each other (for all I care) and form their own country. Similar to Australia but not as big....say 10 mile by 20 mile island will do!
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  • #179
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    I expect the next federal move will be an attempt providing for the restoration of civil rights to former felons, which will restore them the right to vote. The Democratic Party is buying future votes through these types of legislation.
  • #175
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    These are American citizens who made a mistake. Are we to make them pay for that mistake all their lives. I would say first offenders should have that privilege. Repeated offenders No!
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