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    There were 3 tar sand oil spills just last week... to the tune of nearly 50,000 barrels of oil polluting our environment. I wonder if the 32 full time permanent jobs the Keystone pipeline will provide are really worth this.... especially since the only reason for its existence is to EXPORT oil from the coast, not use it domestically. Makes anyone w/ a lick of sense stop and wonder what the real reason is for this push....
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    "the secretly-shot video"

    That really shows the true situation. The facts are being concealed.

    If Exxon was being honest with us, why all the secrecy. Using public safety is a thin excuse when your own people don't seem to be aware of any serious peril.

    Check back in 6 months and you will find that it still isn't cleaned up, and that nobody really knows how to accomplish a cleanup of this nature.

    Prince William sound and the Gulf coast are still contaminated, and damage is ongoing. This will be no different.

    So now, all you guys who live in a state of high dudgeon, tell me how this is a minor thing with no long lasting effects, or that it will surely be cleaned up 100%.

    I'll bet that Exxon ends up buying out all the homes, and doing something to replace the contaminated water supply that they cannot fix.

    Keystone, here we come....
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    @jessejaymes What? Condemn an oil company for shoddy work? Do you want America to fail? Don't you know only democrat approved business's are worthy of being condemned??? <sarcasm>
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    @Libertyiskey - Lol @ "democrat approved".

    The retirement funds for all of our Professional Politicians are heavily invested in big oil.

    I guess that would make them Buy-Partisan approved.
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    I don't particularly like crony capitalist companies like Exxon, but it should be obvious to everybody that it is in Exxon's interest to clean up the spill as best they can. The EPA, on the other hand, sees its job as condemning and damning, so condemning and damning they will, whatever Exxon does.
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    Libs can whine and carry on all they want about dirty oil. But without it their beloved administration and his paper tiger of an economy crash fast and hard. Without nasty, dirty fossel fuel the libs utopian society gets slapped back into reality. And why is it the ones who complain the loudest are from states who confiscate the most per gallon and therefore have the most revenue to lose?

    From Wiki:

    "The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel.[1][2] On average, as of January 2013, state and local taxes add 30.4 cents to gasoline and 30.0 cents to diesel, for a total US average fuel tax of 48.8 cents per gallon for gas and 54.4 cents per gallon for diesel."
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    Don't they call that 'picking winners and losers'? Can't do anything to oil because we 'need' them for jobs... hmmm... funny how that works....
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    @AceLuby
    I'm not sure what "they" call it.
    But it looks like big gov's tried and true way of picking people's pockets at the pump. Time was when that confiscated money went to build roads/bridges. But today it gets redirected leaving gov no apparent choice but to beg its people for seemingly endless rounds of stimulus funding for infrastructure.
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    @slayer98_l It gets redirected to our bloated military.

    As for the 'they', how do you feel about money being used for development of clean energy?
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    @AceLuby
    Building and maintaining a military is required under the Constitution. I can't find where spending on obamacare, obamaphones, foodstamps ect. IS constitutional.

    And meddling in the free market has done nothing but weaken the country's balance sheet IE; Fannie mae, freddy mac GM, Chrysler, countless financial institutions and all the much heralded but now-defunct green companies.
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    There was earlier posts in another thread about this. It was suggested that Exxon pay for the spill by reducing the price of gasoline .10 $ a gallon and maintain that reduced cost for two years. That would motivate them to insure against spills. These things will happen with pipelines and there is remedial actions that can be taken to clean up the mess.

    There is a device that can be placed under your hood that converts water into hydrogen and oxygen, the car then runs off hydrogen and the emissions are oxygen. The cost is under $500.00 to build and install. You can run off the hydrogen or switch back to gasoline if you desire. So environmentalist go after the big oil companies that bought the patent and prevent if from being placed in every vehicle in the nation. Before you discount this as gibberish and unworkable, I have seen one such vehicle in April, 2000, the owner of the vehicle was an engineer and his fuel tank was filled with water, it was a one ton pickup towing a 5th wheel. I have been unable to find the actual plan for building it, but have located patents on it. If this were done, our economy would go in the toilet, oil industry pays trillions in taxes and wages, take that out of the economy and you have a major disaster.
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    I watched a documentary where they discuss various alternate ways to fuel vehicles like you mentioned. I believe it was "A Crude Awakening: The Oil Crash" you might enjoy it. I still take everything I hear with a grain of salt but interesting stuff still.
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    @Libertyiskey I fully understand the grain of salt, and would never have believed it was possible to fuel a vehicle with water until I saw it in action myself. I'm always cautions of scams, I did look up the patent on the web, and it is there.
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    I trust that DOT will make sure that Exxon cleans the spill as much as possible.

    As for those paper towels, if they're like the ones I've used they're impressive.
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    hmm, ever seen any of exxon's other cleanups? ever seen how accountable they were held by the government? i question what leads you to this conclusion based on the track record of both.
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    I'm guessing that is just a standard spill kit for fuel/oil with the absorbent pads and plastic bags to put them in, they actually work quite well ... better then the kitty litter we used before.
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    @PopapillRush what the F is he supposed to do? Move? He lives in mayflower. He is getting to go back home today
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    How many actual humans are they hiring to go in there and assist with cleanup and wildlife rescue? Everything humanly possible? I'm not buying it.
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  • #99
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    Has anybody here ever worked a oil spill? Well I have and it was a dam joke. They took the money and ran. To many shortcuts seen it first hand.
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    Anyone who has actually worked in industry has seen a "spill kit." There are a lot of things used to clean up spills that seem silly but, in practice, actually work. I would say to anyone talking about this to actually consider the fact that these are not the same type paper towels you buy at Wal-Mart. And, are probably not even made of paper...they are probably some micro-fiber that is designed to absorb oil.
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    I've seen this all to often. Can't count the number of timing the gas company has spilled oil or run the collection tank over which killed all the fish in our pond and on occasion some of our cattle! Each time they used these absorbent pads to try to clean it up! Pathetic attempt at best.
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    We can, and should do away with ALL oil and we will, as soon as everyone is content
    freezing to death, riding horseback, etc. However, until that day comes, we will need
    oil and we will have spills. If paper towels work, good, maybe throw some lettuce leaves in too...In the mean time, if you are heating, cooling, driving, flying, you WILL
    need oil. That's the way it is...sorry, sh*t happens, and this isn't eutopia.
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    Just ask the people who were effected by the Exxon Valdez disaster how well they think Exxon took care of the spill. As far as I know they are still fighting damages in courts. Big companies like Exxon can afford to keep court cases tied up for generations. No justice for the little guys.
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    I'm sick of oil destroying our home... Unless something is done we will have nothing but much more oil spills to look forward to bc republicans
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    It won't matter if they are specifically designed for oil spills, Rachel madow is a master at disinformation.

    .... besides only an evil corporation of blood suckers like Exxon who have made so much money off of the poor could afford all those paper towels.... have you bought paper towels lately?
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