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  • #17
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    What can be learned from the Gosnell case, for those who haven't figured it out yet, is that the Mainstream Media, which can also be called the Liberal Media, tries to "ignore away" news that they don't like.

    This monster killed far more people than Adam Lanza, James Holmes and Jeffrey Dahmer but unlike those monsters, news about THIS monster was considered "local crime"... Nothing to see here. Move along.

    But that's just a side story in my opinion. Considering how hard President Obama fought for Post-Natal Abortion while a state senator in Illinois, I can't help but think that if Obama had his druthers, "Dr." Kermit Gosnell would be getting a Medal of Freedom instead of murder charges.
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    How do we know this is an isolated incident? It was hard enough to get this story reported. How many others are they covering up? This might be the tip of the iceberg
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    @GvtMule-- I have no doubts that there are others and there always will be even if the MSM made a national story out of every one of these cases that pops up.

    Part of the problem is that our society is loathe to prosecute the would-be mothers who make an operation like Gosnell's immensely profitable.
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    @oldman75 HMM....don't know bout that. Did you read we are still giving VA support to children of Civil War vets, who had children in their 80's......now, that's an ugly sight. That's my daddy there, the one who looks like my great-grandpa. LOL
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    It shows that the pride of the left is in mutilation of babies. that's what it shows. and if you want to see it watch TV during the trial.. you will see all kinds of ghouls and demons making excuses for this butcher.
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    I have no desire to see dead children whether they were killed by a psycho in a "clinic" or by a psycho in a school.
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    I see no one making excuses for him. So that was an error.

    There is no pro abortion group. There are people who are pro-choice, believing the issue is a personal one between the woman, her doctor, and her family.

    Here's the reason pro-choice people point out this is a good example of why we must not illegalize all abortion -- if we do, this is the kind of doctor a woman who decides on abortion would have to visit. Unregulated, unobserved, unsupervised.

    I know folks who want to make the decision for everyone think that illegalizing abortion will do the trick. It won't, though. We have history to observe and it shows us that when abortion was illegeal, it only diverted women to the black market. Is that what anyone really wants?
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    @Zazziness Some are not able to make decisons, and the consequences are noted in the history of politicians. That does not make it right. What they think is popular and got them elected cannot be discerned from the logical that the other was an idiot, and issues played little part as we only had two idiots to choose from. Thus, state votes, and national votes, with no bribery, lobbying, insanity, and immoral bought decisions.
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    @Hillofbeans I'm a practical gal. I know from history that if abortion is illegal, women who want abortions will get them anyway. They'll get them on the black market by people who are unregulated and unqualified. They'll take abortifants that may or may not leave them alive. They'll get a coat hanger and try to take care of it themselves. Those are facts. Sad, sad facts but reality, none the less.

    Since that's the case, I don't want abortion to be illegal. If men and women are given every scrap of information about birth control and easy access to it, and a woman still winds up pregnant with a child she is going to abort no matter what, I want her to be able to go to a licensed physician who is going to leave her alive and unmaimed. If people want to put effort into encouraging such a woman to carry the baby and give it up for adoption, great. But if all else fails, I don't see whyshe should be driven into the hands of a hack doctor.
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    @Zazziness what bothers me about this story is how hard the press tried to avoid it. Is this really an isolated incident ? Or is it the tip of the iceberg ?
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    It shows that Plan "B" should be mandated in the pockets of every person on the planet, and that pharmaceutical abortion should become the default procedure.
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    @stepped_in_it
    I'm sure you know the person meant of every girl/woman of child bearing age that does not want to get pregnant. I am all for the morning after pill. That takes care of rape and a condom breaking. Way cheaper than an abortion or plan B.
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    @Pr0-Lif3. Neither me nor my wife will ever have an abortion. Neither will our children or their spouses. If you want to stop abortion do it through education, not the force of government.
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    @Fitz You will never completely stop abortion, just like we'll never stop murder of born human beings. However, no one has ever suggested that the govt. should legalize killing human beings and try to stop it through education.

    A primary goal of govt. should be to protect the defenseless. You don't get much more defenseless than being in the womb.
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    @Fitz That's because you have morals and values. Something America is losing everyday to give everyone their own personal freedoms.
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    Dead babies are the goal of planned parenthood. "this just shows why we need more access to legal abortions". Oh, so the baby would be just a little less dead at an abortion clinic?
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    Promoting planned parenthood is the goal of planned parenthood. That's why they offer counseling, check ups, and information about birth control. Abortions figure as less than 10% of their activities.
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    @GvtMule Tell me -- if a woman who was raped becomes pregnant and wants an abortion, and abortion is illegal, what do you think she will do?(Please take history into account before you answer.)
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    @Zazziness unfortunately I realize there are some times it has to be done.but those cases are the smallest minority of abortions. If you support teaching people to be responsible enough to not get pregnant I'm for it. I will NEVER support killing a baby because someone was not responsible enough to have sex. If you have sex you must accept the responsibility to raise a baby if you get pregnant. If you can't accept that responsibility you shouldn't have been having sex.
    Rape incest and a medical risk are a different issue.
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    It's better to have almost no abortions than to have this. Incest, rape and mother's life are the only time an abortion procedure should be used. Not just because you break up with your boyfriend or lose a job or are too lazy to use birth control or God forbid, abstinence, and crap like that. Otherwise you have a money making machine like this guy had.
    Planned Parenthood sucks. It's a front for guys like this.
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    What I can "learn" from this trial is that mass murders can also have a doctor's license. It seems to me, this so-called man enjoyed this work way beyond a normal enjoyment.... to the point of sadistic.....and I'm pro-choice.
    We have religious zealots, who are out of control. We have gun nuts, who are out of control. We have gun controllers, who are out of control. We have banners, who are out of control. We are out of control. Extremist are taking control.....time to find my "mountain top"..........
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    This isn't an isolated case, I've read about cases in Florida that were just as sickening, and most of these cases aren't covered by the pro-choice media.
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    I can't understand how any man can derive pleasure from the wholesale murder of little innocent babies. This story was too much for me. Outlaw abortion.
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    @popapillrush - Oh so now you're against abortion? Any other time you a rabid defender of the left. I'm glad you see the crime in abortion.
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    @Neo_NtheMatrix Now? And just because I think YOU'RE an idiot doesn't make me a defender of the left. The difference is I'm a true conservative and you're a Fox news puppet.
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    Surprize,Surprize,Surprize, FINALLY! Hell when this happen ,a couple weeks ago and just now on here? And they didn't even tell the horrific details. You got to love the liberal,Obama backed media.
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    Big Conservative media, the Washington Times, the WSJ, the Weekly Standard, et al, have not covered the story. Just published op-eds complaining about the lack of coverage.
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    This is the most sickening thing I've seen. This is just beyond evil. The media won't cover this story? This is abortion. Killing babies.
  • #38
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    YOUR corporate owned government supports genocide, slavery, zero human rights and also condones the vile destruction of the planet via it's profit motivated trade with China since the early 70's.

    Which is more egregious? What the government does or what this one man does?
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    @TheHandsomeOne don't even try that. This is killing babies here in the USA. I don't own any part of government. If I did I would not have anything like this ever happen.
    I have no idea why you think I am part of corporate America but this thread is about abortion.
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    @GvtMule Too late, is any part of your internet interface taking place on a chinese made device allowed to be sold by your government who is also hypocritically bringing these charges? If so, you have no leg to stand and are just as guilty as any baby murderer.
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    @TheHandsomeOne Raping the planet blah blah blah. I agree that rivers should not catch fire, ala the cuyahoga in the 70's. I agree that nuclear waste under what is now a school, ala marion, ohio is not a good idea.(it was an army depot of some sort, kids come down with lukemia at an alarming rate and I guarantee somethings in the water, major govt. coverup) however the earth could care less what we dump, bury, pollute or hide away to kill ourselves with. Geologically the earth will revolve around the sun, it will recycle all that stuff and will only die when the sun does. We will probably not be around to see it, having poisoned ourselves, but people who talk about how we are "killing" the earth make me want to stick forks in my ear and take that pain rather than the droning on and on and on about how the earth needs me to continue its existence. That is hubris of the highest order, sir.
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    I would like to know on what damn planet that the pro abortion bunch can claim this 'bolsters their claim that access is needed". That WAS "access". This is why I can't stand this country any longer. Both "sides" try to make political gain out af a murdering monster. Both "sides" want to try and drag the entire abortion thing into this. This had nothing to do with Roe V. Wade. These kind of people operate within society at every level of doing everything. And why do they get away with it? Because nobody gives a damn until/unless there is political capital to be made from it.
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    First, I do not agree with abortion unless there is an exceptional reason for it. This shows more regulation is needed. OBGYN's performing DNC's after a miscarriage do so in surgery in a hospital. This is the same procedure as a legal abortion, only the baby is already dead. This is an invasive procedure in which the woman needs adequate care. That the babies were being born alive and then murdered shows that he was doing abortions too late term which is probably why these women went to him in the first place. To get a late term abortion no other doctor or clinic will do. Every doctor that performs abortions needs to be able to admit patients to a hospital should there be unforeseen complications. That means stricter regulation! As pro-choice advocates claim the need for a safe environment. This is part of making it a safer environment.
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    And making it more convenient. We shouldn't make them wait that long to kill thier baby. Theres no possibility of it having been born alive if we could have gotten her to the planned parenthood vaccu-matic as soon as she said oops!
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    @GvtMule
    Yes, it is. I was just referring to current laws on late term abortions. As I said, I do not agree with abortion unless it is an exceptional situation and that is pushing it for me also. But there are cases of children as young as five getting pregnant from rape. That may seem impossible, but it's not. Also in the case of saving the mothers life. In those cases the baby will die anyway when the mother does. Incest depends on the age. All women who are raped can go to the emergency room and recieve the morning after pill along with the medical and emotional care they need. As well as having a rape kit done that can help catch and prosecute her rapist. That not only gets justice for what was done to her, but also protects future victems of this rapist. I do know personally that all you want to do is go home and take a shower and curl up in bed and cry, but that is not what is best for you as a rape victem. The morning after pill negates the argument for abortion due to rape. Plan B and the morning after pill are not the same thing. You do not get pregnant immediately. It takes up to 72 hours and sometimes a bit longer to get pregnant. The sperm stay alive and wait for the egg to be released. Also conception happens in the Fallopian tubes then travels to the uterus where it may or may not attach. That is why conception can be prevented by the morning after pill. Plan B causes a very early term abortion chemically. Plan B is the lesser of two evils when it comes to abortion, but as I said before I do not approve of abortion as contraception.
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    @CATTLEPROD - That's twice now that you've mentioned Planned Parenthood on an article that has nothing to do with that organization. Are you on a crusade, or what?
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    @Denizen_Kate The article was about a "back door" abortionist and the need for more access to safe abortions. Who provides that other than planned parenthood? There may be private doctors here and there, but planned parenthood is what most people think of when they think of abortion in america. They can spout the "only 10% of our services are abortions" line all they want, I dont beleive them.
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    This so called 'doctor' is a mass murderer. He should receive the death penalty. I think there are times when a woman may have few, if no alternatives but to abort.
    However, It should be done in the first trimester, and never after the third. The baby
    is a viable human being and can live independent of the mothers body...No one but
    a monster would do what this, well...monster did. What a pathetic non- human being!
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    If the facts were told and real pictures shown most people I believe would be against it, I wouldn't want even an insect ripped apart till it dies,
  • #55
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    Murdering the unborn by the millions for convenience sake, doesn't speak well of our malevolent society.

    The poster boy for abortion proponents:--

    "Dread not infanticide; the crime is imaginary: we are always mistress of what we carry in our womb, and we do no more harm in destroying this kind of matter than in evacuating another, by medicines, when we feel the need."

    -- Marquis De Sade
    1740-1814, French Author
    Who's name in history, depicts 'Sadism.'
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    I'm angered by this doctors actions. I have no problem with a woman having an abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy. Once a child has developed and is breathing and has a heart beat, it is a human. It is alive and should not be "killed" as was the case with this doctor. The left is giving the right an opening to close abortion clinics nationwide. Just use common sense and don't kill children that are out of the womb and are breathing, they fought for the right to live. They made it into the world and if you don't want your child, let someone adopt it.
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    It shows abortion should be outlawed and it also shows the mainstream media doing damage control for Obama and the liberal agenda. This would be front page news with every liberal politician in the country screaming if he'd used a gun. But because the Democrats support abortion this case is getting no coverage. We don't get news from the mainstream media anymore. NBC, ABC, CBS might as well all be state sponsored. It's a true insult to the nation and a total failure of the responsibility entrusted to them. We're not as dumb as most of you think.
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