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    The gun bill is tossed back in the democrats faces. So lets go screw with the Indians I guess. Are they not on their own land minding their own business? Then why are we going to mess with them?
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    "The lack of sufficient federal oversight and accountability may explain why one of the most successful and largest Indian gaming facilities has amassed over $2 billion in debt, come under investigation by the FBI, and become increasingly reliant on federal aid and grants to make ends meet. "

    Now wait a minute. These casinos make billions of dollars a year. If they are mismanaged and can't pay their bills, they should close down like any other business in that situation.

    Federal aid and grants - for casinos???? Is it any wonder our country is financially coming unglued?
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    Re-visit this country's recent financial fiasco's where the wall street, bankster and financial sector casino bosses did far more than un-glue a few seams catering to elite and powerful degenerate gamblers as well as masses of Americans seemingly lacking the good internal guidance able to resist their own greed.

    Have you ever peeked into the outlandish bets these criminals were placing, wagering the savings and futures of nearly the entire country?

    I had no idea gambling was regulated.... at least not for white collar criminals...
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    @TheHandsomeOne - When I lived in New York City, I often day-dreamed about going down to Wall St. and randomly bitch-slapping guys in suits.
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    @Denizen_Kate Can I be your first subscriber to your youtube channel and I'll also donate some free Brazilian Jui-Jitsu lessons to the cause.
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    ok, I am confused. the 'limited government advocate' is calling for more oversight and regulation of a business because it is taking government grants instead of managing its business well?? how about just calling for the government to stay the hell out, and let the business sink or swim based on its business model?? sounds like we don't need more government involvement but rather less.
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    Interesting. In detailing the financial woes the article claims rules were tighter under the Bush administration while ignoring the funds siphoned away by Jack Abramhoff, Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist, some $85 million, during that time time period. http://goo.gl/nHB6y
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    If the Indian Tribes are unable to operate the casinos in a profitable manner, let them close, why should the government support them? We don't support the Las Vegas Casinos with government money and they are profitable. No bailouts, just do your business and if you cannot make it, close.
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    On the reservation, oversight could be left up to the individual tribal leaders, provided they allow independent inspections of their slots and tables to ensure fair play. Off the reservation, they go through the State Gaming Commission like everyone else.
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    considering there where an estimated 100 million native Americans here before "our" ancestors came and obliteration them to an endangered race, the most atrocious and unparalleled ethnic cleansing of all time, leave em' the hell alone in my opinion...
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    The only difference in what Hitler did to the Jews and what the United States did to the Natives, was Hitler did his deeds over a very short span of time and with many times the media attention, made possible by communication and technological advances of his day.
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    I think we need to look at the white businessmen that have taken advantage of Indian casinos and are raking in the cash, which means the Indians themselves are not. That needs a thorough investigation and the policies put in place to protect the Indians from these low life scumbags!
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    You are right there. In South Dakota there are 9 Tribes, each (except 1) is allowed 250 machines. The one is allowed 500 (only because they sued the State). In the meantime within 6 miles of most casinos, the State places their Video Lottery machines (which they allow themselves to operate 1000's compared to each Tribe's 250 limit)... The Tribes in that State are already over-regulated and out-matched by the State's gambling operations. There isn't billions going through their Casinos. In addition to their own gambling devices, the State gets a cut of the Tribe's Casino operations. It would seem that State is engaged in mafia-like tactics.
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    @deregulate
    By federal law the state should not be allowed to get a cut. Besides slot machines, do you have tables? Black Jack, Roulette, poker? That is supposed to be part of the deal. Along with betting on horse and dog racing done elsewhere and viewed by screen.
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    @deregulate
    Just to add. The Indian casinos in Oklahoma are huge with all the types of gambling that a Vegas casino would have, just not attached hotels.
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    @deregulate
    Check it out and talk to who runs the casinos. Also contact your representatives on the state, but more importantly, the federal level. Nothing gets done unless someone acts. It only takes one to start it, then it most asuradly will balloon out. It is for the Native Americans own good to do so. I'm all for Native Americans capitalizing from the people who treated them so badly. Get those casinos running right. Maybe even build attached hotels with lots of amenities that the guest has to pay for. Being in North Dakota you would want an indoor pool and that be the amenity they don't have to pay for. Put a spa in the hotel and charge the exhorbant fees that other resorts do for their services. Massages, mani pedi's, hairstyling and make up applications and therapeutic facials for the women to feel pampered and looking great at the restaurants put in and also a night club with drinks and dancing. Charge high for those drinks. The men who have been gambling will not tell their girlfriends or wives no to these things to make up for spending time and money gambling. If you haven't noticed, I have been a restaurant owner. If those casinos were turned into a casino/resort atmosphere, the profits would be astronomical! That's why I said it's important to contact your federal representative. To make the state stop collecting profits they are not entitled too. The next bailout money and a loan will give them the money they need to do this. A bank is not going to turn down a loan for a plan like this. They will know it will work. It will also bring money to the area. People will travel to go to a casino like this instead of having to go to Atlantic City, the southern casinos on the Mississippi or to Vegas. It will keep them from traveling so far from home. They will also have choices like in these other places because of the 9 tribes. A federal representative can take care of the unfair punishment of one because they sued the state. That is illegal. So is taking a share of the profits.
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    "the most successful and largest Indian gaming facilities has amassed over $2 billion in debt".
    Are you sure the federal government isn't already running these casinos?
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    We slaughtered the Native Americans, ran them off their land, raped their women, poisoned their children and elderly, put the remaining Native Americans in tiny reservations...and now we are mad because they are taking wealth from fools that voluntarily go to gamble.

    Our Professional Politicians are some ignorant individuals indeed.
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    Did you "ran them off their land, raped their women, poisoned their children and elderly, put the remaining Native Americans in tiny reservations"?
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    @Yank - Not personally. However I can see hypocrisy where it exists.

    The founding of this country was done over the blood of innocents, and very little has been done to compensate the Tribes for the bloodshed and genocide that was inflicted upon them by the United States government.

    IMO: The casinos can only take as much money as fools are willing to spend.
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    @AntiPorcheria I know this off topic but its on the same note you brought but not being responsible for the past. Blacks live in this its owed to me mentality. Not all but most fit in this area.
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    @freaky6smurf The difference between Native past and other Race's past in the Country is that Native's signed TREATIES with the Govt. The other Races did not, they (the other Races), were truly defeated. The Natives agreed to lay down their arms and never take up arms against the Country again.
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    @deregulate The Natives signed treaties but the U.S. government kept breaking those treaties in the name of profit.
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    They are theoretically sovereign nations. We do not have a legitimate right to interfere with anything on their lands. If the UN was anything but a sham organization it would have taken action against the US long ago. The problem is that we would probably start droneing the families of those trying to hold us responsible for our crimes.
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    I'm suspicious of any attempt to regulate commerce within an Indian nation. The Supreme Court has stated that Indian tribes are a "Domestic Dependent Nation", a State within a State. The Federal government has the right to regulate commerce with the various tribes but I haven't seen anywhere that it has the right to regulate commerce within the Tribe's boundaries. The various States have been trying for years to impose their sovereignty on the Indian tribes but so far the Federal Government has resisted their attempts. Do we want another "Trail of Tears"?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereign...

    Indian tribes are made up of grown people. They are not little children whose parents are the Federal government. They can regulate themselves. If one of their casinos fail, that is a tribal problem. They can fix it the way anyone else does.

  • #32
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    Stop gambling.
    I do not gamble.
    I don't even know how to play poker- my friends have offered to teach me, but I politely decline the offer of enslavement.
    Go to casinos for the shows.
    The buffets.
    The lights and drinks and people watching. The shopping.
    Don't gamble. Invest instead.
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    It's called Free Will. Take that away and what do you have left? A communist-like society. People must be allowed to make their own choices in this respect... if nothing else than Free will to maintain Freedom in this Country. Getting out of this Activist mentality and letting people live is a good start. Making laws for every little nuisance is a good way to tighten the stranglehold the current laws have on Freedom already.
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    @deregulate
    I understand that.
    Trust me, I'm about free will.
    I was making the argument against those antagonistic to casinos, gambling, etc.
    I submitted that I do not gamble but still go to casinos for other entertainment.
    Don't like it?
    Don't gamble. Invest.
    Simple.
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    "Don't gamble. Invest instead." Other than slightly better odds, is there a difference? And in light of yesterday's glitch, I'm not so sure the odds are any better than slots or poker.
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    @Denizen_Kate
    I know you're teasing, but yes there is a difference between the Dow and Circus Circus...although they are both run by clowns.
    *BAM*
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    @GuyFawkes Actually, I was quite serious for a change. My recently deceased older brother called it gambling, and he was quite good at it. So good, in fact, that a couple of big wheel financial gurus who attended his wake spoke up about being in awe of him and told me how they kept trying to get him to manage an investment mutual fund. He always turned it down, saying he was unwilling to gamble with other people's money.
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    Frankly, I think all manners of gambling, including wall street activities, public ownership of companies in which you do not work, and even banking should be completely unregulated and let's just enjoy the show afterwards.

    People should gamble at their own risk.
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    I don't agree. If congress wants to do something worthwhile and humane, they should look into the State's ability to remove native children for profit. the state gains millions per year for each native child they have in their system. It has gotten so bad, tribe's in south dakota have had to file a lawsuit to protect their children. In spite of the fact that the Govt bailed out banks, auto industries, etc... Tribes should close down their businesses if they are failing. It's plain business and common sense.
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    I know this is somewhat off topic since we are discussing the possibility of government encroachment in still another area where it has no business. However, I wanted to interject some information about the Children's Welfare League and its mandate to remove children, including native Americans, from homes that they do not find suitable and adopting them out to people who may not be ethnically, culturally or racially similar. The first step in the process is to define the child's mother as "unfit." This justifies removal. From there, the child is put in foster care. He is not allowed contact with his mother or other relatives. Ultimately he is adopted. I read up quite a bit on this because the exact same thing happened to my father-in-law in the 1920's. His parents separated and were greatly hostile toward each other. His mother moved across state lines with two of her children. The younger child caught the measles which escalated into meningitis. She died in 1928, of meningitis and a previously unidentified heart problem. Her mother was eking out a living as a seamstress and had to go to social services to bury the little one. That put her in their sights. Social workers came to her apartment to take my father-in-law away and his mother became belligerent. She was arrested for disorderly conduct. My father-in-law was nine years old at the time and for several days stayed hidden in basements or under proches in the neighborhood. Finally, he was captured and sent to an orphanage in another county. His mother was jailed for disorderly conduct and other charges. My father-in-law was placed with a farm family and despite promises to send him to school, take him to church and provide a respectable home for him. His education stopped at that point, sixth grade and he never saw the inside of a church. He was a full-time farmhand from the time he was 11. Social workers came out and the reports, which we obtained were very negative. In the meantime, his mother was released from jail and wrote several letters to the director of the society begging to take him home. The reply was that he was living in a good home and she needn't worry about him. She also wrote several letters to her son, pouring out her affection toward him. He never saw them until we got them from Kentucky Open records. It is noted in the paperwork that he had a grandfather living just across the river in Indiana . He was never contacted. My father-in-law remained an indentured servant until he was 21 and then moved out of state. There are variations in the steps taken by the League but they are not a social service agency attempting to unite families and provide guidance and counseling. It is a predatory organization that chooses its victims and profits from destroying families. I read of a Native Indian child whose mother was deemed "unfit" and found himself in the midwest in a family of blondes. Granted, he was well treated unlike my father-in-law but the first thing he did was to return to the reservation to seek his own people. These are dangerous people and if they are empowered to interfere where they are not wanted, with the resources of the US government behind them, every congressman and senator should be receive mail protesting the absence of due process and the violation of the rights of both birth mothers and children.
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    @lochlomond I know what you mean. There is actually a Facebook page where Native children who have been forcefully (illegally) removed from their homes and raised with non-Natvie families. In the end most suffer identity crisis, depression, ptsd... a wide variety of mental and emotional problems. The lawsuit in South Dakota alleges the State illegally takes Native children by not attempting to comply with the Indian Child Welfare Act. National Public Radio did a year long investigation into these allegations and found the State has a huge monetary gain by removing Native children from their homes. The Govt pays them more for being in their care. The ICWA was passed to stop this form of genocide,.... without our children, we have no Tribe. No Future.
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    @deregulate. My deepest sympathies My father-in-law was a wonderful person but I think he was deeply scarred by his 11 years as an indentured servant The Children's Welfare League was fully aware of his situation, including the fact that his bedroom
    was a porch at the rear of the house In orderto obtain the records we do have, he had to sign an agreement and have it notarized declaring that he would not bring legal action . I think that what was happening in his and many other cases was a form of eugenics. In the cases involving Native American children, it is a sort of ethnic cleansing with the goal of eventually erasing tribal cultures. CWL never heard of civil rights but it has trampled on enough children's.
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