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    That's the worst thing you can do, and not fair to the kids. This would only make sense if people did not depend on overburdened social workers and abusive foster care for an option.
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    @YankeeYahoo Continuing to have these kids live with monumentally stupid parents is the worst thing we could do. Foster care with scientifically literate parents is the only hope for these kids.
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    @NormalFlora Oh my. Foster parents are only in it for money, are not well screened, and generally poor and lacking in education themselves. And they have a desperate shortage, because most of you on here take the time post how other people should do something, but don't foster or give charity yourselves.
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    People like this need to understand the old story about help, which merits retelling:

    "Once apon a time there was a man that lived by the river. He heard a radio report that the river was going to rush up and flood the town. The report said that the whole town should evacuate immediately. But the man said, "I'm religious, I pray. God loves me. God will save me." But the waters began to rise. A man in a rowing boat came along and he shouted.'Hey! Hey you! You up there. The town is flooding. I can take you to safety.' But the man shouted back: "I'm religious, I pray. God loves me. God will save me." A helicopter came hovering overhead. A guy with a megaphone shouted.'Hey! You there! The town is fully flooded. Let me drop down a ladder and I will help you to safety.' But the men shouted back that he was religious, that he prayed, that God loved him and that God would take him to safety. The man then drownned. When he got to the pearly gates of St Peter, he demanded an audience with God.'Lord,' he said,'I'm a religious man, I pray. I thought you loved me. Why did this happen?' God said,'I sent you a radio report, a helicopter, and a guy in a rowing boat. What on earth are you doing here?'"
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    They prayed and God answered them sending knowledge, doctors, and medical help but they turned it all down..
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    There is nothing in the Bible that precludes the use of doctors or everything modern medicine has to offer. This "church" is the kind that gives real Christians a bad name.
    I believe strongly in the first amendment, but this kind abuse sickens me. I have no answers; I do not know where to draw the line.
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    Remove the remaining kids from the home, put them in a programme to un-brainwash, convict and execute the parents, and force de-fertilize all members of this cult. They should not be allowed to reproduce.
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    @dances-weebles
    People who obviously endanger children through cult beliefs should not be permitted to breed.
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    This couple has now shown a pattern of irresponsible behavior that has taken the lives of two of their kids. Take the rest of them out of that house before they suffer the same fate! Then prosecute the parents for negligent homicide.
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    We aren't allowed to slit a child's throat on an altar, even if we believe God wants us to. This is the same thing and should be treated the same way.
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    Yes, this story is horrible, but the horror is nothing compared to Dr. Gosnell's. The good doctor was fortunate that he could hide in a sociopolitical gray area.

    Christian Scientists have similar beliefs, but there is not much uproar about them, I'm guessing, because theirs is a more genteel religion.
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    The fix? Kids in foster care and sterilization of these so called parents. I have sympathy for those poor children, none at all for these poor excuses for parents.
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    Otherwise take the children and put these parents in jail.

    While religion is not beneath the law it certainly is not above the law either. The welfare of the children, these BORN, VITAL individuals is paramount.
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    I'm all for freedom of beliefs but...their beliefs caused easily avoidable deaths of children. They should be charged criminal negligence of a child and manslaughter and sentenced the maximum allowable. C'mon, pneumonia and diarrhea. They just say there and watched one suffocate and watched the other dehydrate. Both are horrrrible and painful deaths.
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    @Slowmo Yes they are - but where do we draw the line on religious convictions? I personally think that anyone that kneels at church shoud be investigated. Leave people alone in their convictions - no matter how dumb.
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    @vws they have a right to choose their religious beliefs. But what about the rights of their children? If the parents had pneumonia and wanted to choose no medical, then go for it. We have laws which allows parents to be deemed unfit and this would certainly be applicable here. I fully disagree that anyone who goes to church should be investigated. Our government has no right to start treating people like criminals before they've done anything criminal.
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    So is killing innocent unbelievers. This is no less unethical than Islamic terrorism. Ignorance of ones princples is no excuse. This is a criminal case, pure and simple.
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    These people believe that prayer will heal their children, and murdered two people in the process.....I'm usually not for forced sterilization, but I think I will make an exception in this case!!!
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    Look at these two people. None of the options listed would've made them less stupid or confused. No changes will prevent either. Find them competent to stand trial then charge then under existing laws and sentence them the maximum allowable for criminal neglect of a child and manslaughter. 15-20yrs in prison will probably stop their pattern of behavior.
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    Remove all the children from their care. People with religious fervor will never listen to reason and no punishment would be harsh enough to prevent this senseless act of ignorance.
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    Also these to nutcases need to put under the jail for this one after someone watch them suffer for a little while I think if something was wrong with them as bad as there was with this child they would be pleading for medical help
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    Wow...I knew there were some idiots here n there but seems like we are infested with dumb azzes..
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    Ok I believe in prayer for helping the ill. But you know you also need to get medical help along with prayer there is nothing wrong with doing both I know people have faith in the lord as well as I do but I also believe if you are sick you need to get medical help... and you really need to get it when the person or yourself is this sick god will help you and the medical staff along the way trust me I know its been done for me when I was really sick 2 years ago and laying on my death bed at 24
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    Religious freedom at its worst. Scientologists subscribe to a similar holistic/faith based healing belief system. What can we, or the government, do when parents adhere to a belief systen that places their children at risk? If we, or the government, step(s) in would we be trampling on the parents' right to follow whatever religion/religious belief they choose? Would we be interfering with the parents' choice as to how they've decided to raise their children. This is a very complex issue. Or is it? From where I sit the safety and well being of the children trumps the rights of the parents.
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    Hi DapperDave. I'm glad you brought up this issue. I think this is where we can compare Christian extremists and Islam extremists. They are killers. Neither group has the right to endanger someone else in the name of faith.
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    There are limits on religious freedom. Rastafarian's can't smoke weed, tribes can't do human sacrifice, and these nut bags can't willfully endanger their children.
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    Parents don't "own" their children. That would be slavery. Parents have an obligation to use everything in their power to protect their children and prepare them for independent living. Parents like these two do neither.
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