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    just think how easy it would be for a corrupt federal agency( pick one) if they had a database of all gun owners( which they do) to implement these types of charges making those gun owners felons .. and thus unable to purchase or own firearms
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    Do you stay up at night thinking these things up or does you mind just normally work this way? Fascinating comment as always.
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    @ST_Louie_Sue what do you mean? you don't think someone like Eric Holder has'nt already thought of that? they're coming for the second Amendment and they won't be coming in the front door.
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    @bsking You're right, as always. I just don't think on that low life scumbag level of Barry and Company. I just try to get thru each day one at a time and pray for the best and thank God at night that it wasn't any worse than what it was.
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    @bsking No sir! You are brilliant for being able to figure it out. You thought process is for good, theirs is for evil.
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    Lawyers should NOT be permitted to make laws. They should be barred from holding legislative office, as is the case in Vermont.
    Lawyers are already part of the judicial branch of gov't. By also holding law-making posts, it's a major conflict of interest. They should only be allowed in staff positions in the legislative branch, and only to write laws in SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH anyone can understand and follow WITHOUT A DAMN LAWYER.
    Our entire justice system is rigged by insider-trading lawyer-lawmakers and must be reformed from the ground up.
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    Unfortunately non-lawyers who don't know the law are responsible for most of the goofy laws on the books and laws that don't stand up to Constitutional scrutiny.

    A better solution is to require law be taught K-12 so that a Senior High School student knows the law and how to apply it. We are a nation of laws under rule-of-law yet the majority of citizens don't know the law. Most of our problems with the law stem from ignorance of the law.
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    @WMCOL Agree! When any body of legislators meets to debate any proposed law, the first order of business should be a discussion of the Constitutionality of the law. If the proponent of the law cannot support the legislation Constitutionally, the proposed legislation should be dropped as illegal.
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    @WMCOL
    Another way to remedy the problem would be scrap all current laws and redo the entire code book. Make it simple to read and very clear without all the legal jargon it currently has. It currently gives lots of loop holes to get away with a criminal act because you did fit all the criteria for a crime based on the manner it which it was written. A good example of that is the theft laws, make it simple like:

    It is illegal to take the property of another without paying the owner for property. An exception is granted if the owner gives you the property.
    The penalty for theft is:_________
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    When Tennessee secedes, I will work to make that a part of the constitution of whatever confederation we will be a part of:

    "No member of any Bar Association may serve in any legislature under this confederation."

    (Whoops! Am I a felon now for advocating secession? Is the IRS coming to audit me now?)
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    @Bill2E We don't want or need codified legislation or statutes. Simple common law and America has gone a very long way away from that tried and true standard since the 30's.
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    And just remember in most states if you are a convicted felon you are not allowed to own a firearm. Obama and company probably have snick legistlation in somewhere to make this happen and we don't even know about it. Oh well, so much for the transparent administration.
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    That's just stupid...plain flat out stupid.
    The FEDERAL law barring felons from owning a firearm has been the law of the land WAY before Obama even began politics.
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    @Food4thoughts Actually, the left has been trying for years to bar people on the terrorist watch list from owning firearms. When Obama took office, DHS under his admin released an advisory of what signs would indicate a person was a "domestic terrorist."
    It was anyone who met, if I remember correctly, any 3 of the signs could be labelled a threat. What were the signs? Don't remember most of them, but here are a few:
    Owning a gun (catch that? Owning a gun is a factor that could put you on a list to have your gun rights removed, if they get their way)
    Believing in States rights (just beause the constitution says they have rights)
    Believing the federal government is overstepping its bounds
    Believing taxes are too high
    Having a Ron Paul bumper sticker or shirts/signs.
    Being part of a religion that believes in an "end time" (Christianity)

    Not trusting the government isn't an act of paranoia. It is a reasonable conclusion based on the government's actions.
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    @Food4thoughts I know that-what I was trying to say was that adding these hidden laws into bills or allowing lawyers to make laws is a way to control the sale of guns. For example if you do not pay the insurance under Obamacare you get fined. I am not sure, as no one else seems to be, but is the fine categorized a misdemeanor or a felony? Shouldn't you be found guilty first like in a traffic ticket, or does the king make you pay without your day in court? If these fines are labeled a felony look at all the guns that will be taken away.
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    @The_Bald_Guy
    That's just stupid...plain flat out stupid.
    The FEDERAL law barring felons from owning a firearm has been the law of the land WAY before Obama even began politics.
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    @MadAmerican
    That's just stupid...plain flat out stupid.
    The FEDERAL law barring felons from owning a firearm has been the law of the land WAY before Obama even began politics.
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    And people call me paranoid that I think we're headed towards a surveillance/police state that uses dragnet-style tactics to collect and store information about all of us and that all it takes is for any of us to become a target for someone in government and that information will then be used against us.

    All those times we unknowingly violated some obscure law that goes unnoticed and uncared about until someone with the power to do so decides to care about going after us.
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    "To maintain the ascendancy of the Constitution over the lawmaking majority is the great and essential point on which the success of the [American] system must depend; unless that ascendancy can be preserved, the necessary consequence must be that the laws will supersede the Constitution; and, finally, the will of the Executive, by influence of its patronage, will supersede the laws ..." -John Calhoun
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    American is a nation of too many laws. This is the result of having a nearly 24/7 365 legislative process.

    Churning out laws on anything and everything is how Congress justifies its existence. It is what these people are talking about when they say "getting something done".
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    I live in China, where it is impossible to follow the law and anyone can be prosecuted at any time, the primary reason most wealthy enough live in fear and seek to emigrate. Support proposals like Mike Lee's immigration reform, cited at http://washingtonexaminer.com/for-sen.-mike-l... . How can legislators expect every American to understand and obey countless 867 page laws which even they don't have time to read before they vote into law? All federal laws should be repealed and replaced by laws concise enough to read, understand, and obey.
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    Yes, and many laws are there to just have some pretext go after people who may appear on certain lists, or have stepped on big toes. Witness how a President was able to commit PERJURY, A FELONY with absolutely no adverse results, not even loss of office. I'm not just picking on Clinton, ANY President that commits a felony, whatever the reason, should be removed from office and subjected to prosecution, especially for lying under oath (Perjury).
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    Havibg stupid laws on the books that are not enforced or enforceable only causes people to lose respect for the law in general.

    And to lose respect for the people responsible for the stupid laws too.
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    Agree.
    If people would stop abusing laws, counter-measure laws wouldn't have to be put in place.
    Laws are created to uphold order. Abuse of law without consequences allows for a precedence to develop, and turns into a deadly cycle.
    Without the enforcement of law, society would be nothing more than a banana republic.
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    @PuroChorizo361

    If you consider turning billions of Americans into felons over the most trivial matters common sense, well all I can say is wow, and not in a good way.
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    "Many a slip between cup and lip" applies to drafting, amending and enacting laws. Sometimes, the final product leaves too much open to interpretation.
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    Book all of us. Fortunately, we're somewhat protected by the Due Process clauses in the Constitution, which in theory prevents the State from ignoring crimes by people they like and enforcing them for people they don't like. The 5th and 14th Amendments are becoming less of a protection every day, so we'd be better off overhauling the legal system to prevent abuses by the State. Do you think the State would go for that?
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    @Ryuo I thought it was a moral obligation to violate the terms of service of every website. I may doing life very soon.
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    @jessejaymes i never took the effort to read any of those terms, and it never occured to me about the regulation, rules whatever
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    @econcordjon Let me save you some time and translate "terms of service" concerning websites into a couple of sentences. What it means is they bear no responsibility for anything at any time and refuse redress on anything they say or do. 2.) You the person on this or any other web site have absolutely no rights whatsoever. That about cover it Politix?
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    This law clearly violates due process in that the law is supposed to give the person notice as to the nature of the prohibited conduct before one can be deemed guilty of a crime...
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    I can see it now, everyone is a felon so abolish the laws prohibiting REAL felons from voting. Cute, Barry, real cute. You might be needing it yourself some day, bub.
  • #83
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    We are a nation of suckers. Laws have become nothing more than a product used to generate profit. They have little or nothing to do with right and wrong.
  • #76
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    We need to start repealing laws or give them all expiration dates. An over zealous prosecuter could send anybody to jail for anything if they wanted to.
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    Giving all laws expiration dates sounds like a great idea. If a law needs to be renewed, you figure you can count on the agency that enforces it to bring it to the legislature's attention. Right?

    Well, not quite. Don't underestimate the incompetence of government.

    Missouri tried this back in the 1980s.
    One year the legislature had adjourned and gone home. The MO governor (his name was John Ashcroft) called them back into special session when it was discovered the rape statute was about to expire.
    Rape almost became legal in Missouri that year.
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    They may as well just put a big cement wall up all around the U.S.. I think we are all pretty much prisoners now anyway. That's probably the next step.
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