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  • #29
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    As dances with weebles stated above, Hell must be very cold tonight because, I am agreeing with TheJimmy. I even agreed with something Rush Limbaugh said the other day. Hell is Starting to Freeze!
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    @songbird As the saying goes, politics makes strange bedfellows. I'm pretty Conservative but for some strange reason I like Charles Shumer and loathe Dick Cheney. Go figure.
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    @TheJimmy That's OK Jimmy - I'm pretty liberal and for the first time I agree with Cheney. If Snowden had stuck to revealing only details about spying on innocent Americans I would be OK with it. When he starts revealing details of spying on potential enemies then I agree with Darth Vader.
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    Dick Cheney you are a traitor and should be thrown in to Gitmo and the key tossed in the ocean. Let's see how long that heart transplant can last.
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    @DogLady_1 - nobody donated him a heart, he actually has a plastic one with a revolving pump...he literally has no heartbeat. Google it.
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    Oh and for me the answer is glaringly obvious. As I've said many times, we have the government that we deserve. Mostly because we are willing to tolerate their abuses.
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    You people amaze me. It actually seems like some of you want another terrorist attack on this country. Exactly what is it that you don't get about this surveillance program?

    The government is trying to uncover terrorist plots against us both foreign and domestic. We do have domestic terrorists right here in the United States people. The government is not spying on us. They are trying to protect us.But you would try to take away the tools they have to do this.

    And now our enemies I know what we're doing thanks to people like yourself. I am NOT a fan of Dick Cheney in the least but I agree with him on this.
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    @Laradian
    Keep on smelling the pot smoke while you buy into the current propaganda. If you can be convinced that a terrorist lurks around every corner then, out of abject fear, you will throw away your Constitutional rights, one by one, until you have no rights at all.

    "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation, We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland."
    --A Hitler, writing about creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany.

    Just remember, when you sing our National Anthem, to leave out the part "home of the brave" -- for it no longer seems to apply!
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    Fine.

    And if the government stops the surveillance programs because of people like you, then you will have only your paranoid self to blame when America gets hit again by another terrorist attack.
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    Yes, they got the information because of the surveillance programs but some dumbass dropped the ball. We shouldn't abandon it because of an idiot. Just fire the idiot.
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    says the pot to the kettle... You wanna tell us about those secret Enron meetings? Wanna tell us about your exposure of Valerie Plame? Wanna tell 7us about all the manipulated intel that took us into was with Iraq, and you personally profited from it?

    Cheney, you of all people have no room to talk when it comes to being a traitor!
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    @dances-weebles - Yeah, that was my point... Cheney is a crook and a traitor of the highest order. if he thinks Snowden is a traitor for telling the truth, he must recognize that he is a traitor for telling so many lies! He is a despicable despot and should be tried for his many crimes.
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    @DogLady_1 the point is NOT if snowden told the truth or not. he's a traitor because he released government security secrets to the world... he's no better than that twit from wikileaks or the army brat who sold him military secrets. all three of them should be locked up in guantanamo.. and once again, nobody is listening to your calls, and even if they were it wouldn't make any difference.
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    HE is so far removed from the average American that he doesn't realize that a lot of Americans know what he is and aren't blind.
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    To my way od thinking, Cheny and people like him that subvert our constitution are the real traders. They are quick to betray the trust bestowed upon them at the expense of those they are suppose to serve. Just maybe if this country would keep their nose out of other countries business, we would not have to worry so much about being attacked???
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    I understand your pain. I've never felt so dirty in my life. No matter how hot the water is in the shower I just don't think I'll feel clean again.
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    Snowden broke laws, no question. Does that rise to the level of treason? Well, we have to have evidence of his actions giving "aid and comfort to the enemy". That's problematic. Which enemy?
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    My gut instinct is that whatever Cheney says is the exact opposite of the truth, however based on the information available to the public... I don't see how it could be otherwise. Whistleblowers expose illegal or immoral actions, while the NSA spying was certainly distasteful and probably the decision I would have made... I doubt it was illegal or even immoral given the threat presented by our enemies.
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    "I doubt it was illegal or even immoral given the threat presented by our enemies." What threat can be thwarted by collecting the phone records of all US citizens? And they are using software to scan actual conversations with "trigger words" like "drill" "bridge" "initiative" and "pork" to get a subpoena to start monitoring all your conversations. So, basically, we are ALL considered a threat to national security!
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    @DogLady_1 We are all considered a potential threat to national security. As long as the political penalty for not preventing terror attacks exceeds the political penalty for spying on US citizens... we might as well get used to living in a surveillance state and begin preparing ourselves for a full blown police state.
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    @MarkColwell - Well then, we cannot call ourselves a free country anymore... It would be a joke to sing our national anthem or any other patriotic song... July 4th celebrations should become solemn services in memorial of what we once had... I for one am not content to live in a statist regime. I will never get used to it. I have no tolerance for tyranny...

    "We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home." --Edward R. Murrow
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    @DogLady_1 It's not that simple, a police state does not equal Stalinism. In the US state power would be used to protect our bourgeoisie, not to purge it from the nation.
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    @MarkColwell - I said nothing of Stalinism... I said "statism"... I think you misread... And I am using the Ayn Rand definition of statism: "concentration of power in the state at the expense of individual liberty"... Government "owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases to whatever it deems to be its own 'good.'"... "When individual rights are abrogated, there is no way to determine who is entitled to what; there is no way to determine the justice of anyone’s claims, desires, or interests."

    Our founders called it "mob rule"...
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    President George W. Bush told Hayden to “take whatever steps necessary” to monitor Americans 24/7 by listening in on their phone calls, bugging their homes and offices, probing their private lives, snooping into their financial records and watching their travel habits.

    The CIA operation will also coordinate with the Pentagon’s domestic spying program that monitors activities of anti-war groups, organizations critical of the Bush administrations and others tagged as enemies of the state.

    FBI agents will step up monitoring of journalists to identify leaks of stories embarrassing to the government. The bureau is already monitoring phone calls and emails by reporters on a routine basis and has increased surveillance of writers for major news organizations and monitoring of travel and financial records using the DARPA computers.

    “This is not ‘total information awareness’ but ‘total information control’ aimed at watching Americans fulltime and ignoring the protections that are supposed to be guaranteed by the Constitution,” says an FBI agent familiar with the programs.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-cia-director...

    Dick Cheney was the main implementer of the spying on Americans. He did a lot of work behind the scenes. He is protecting his baby, even if his baby is illegal.(sorry, no pun intended)
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    Cheney calling him a traitor after he lied about info in Iraq and cost us billions of taxpayer dollars and American lies so Haliburton could reap the rewards!
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    Cheney is obviously unaware of the way things work in Obama's government. He is also a man known to be supportive of extreme government power at the price of the Constitutional rights of citizens. It would be appropriate for Obama to declare him a suspected terrorist and then exercise his 'legal' power to secretly abduct and imprison Cheney and teach him the appropriateness of his views. Cheney's picture is in the dictionary as a perfect example of the word JERK.
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    All politicians from the two major parties are oath breakers guilty of subversion and treason to Constitution. The transgressions against freedom must not be tolerated even for securities sake. If you use the argument the needs justify the means. Then the hungry have a right to shop lift and a cancer patient has the right smoke weed.
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    Cheney's a loser and leaker, liar and a war monger. If I remember correctly he outed the CIA Agent Valerie Plame Wilson, started the TRILLION dollar war of choice in Iraq that led to the deaths of thousands of American, innocent Iraqi men women and children. This is one guy the world will be better off without.
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