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    Whatever it takes to free Americans from the grip of this insidious piece of legislation designed to crash this country.

    To date, no one has read the thing, it's to massive and complicated. The elected should never vote for any bill they have not read and understood.
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    "No one has read this thing" is flatly wrong. Some of us who work in healthcare administration have read the thing way more times than is healthy for the nearsighted.
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    The economy is already being held hostage!! The longest sustained unemployment since the great depression, 9 million jobs lost due to his stand on petroleum - which drives this economy. Failed policies abound, like his solar debacle; Billions spent on his pipe dream of jump starting the economy. Not to mention our humongous debt and spending, now at 17 TRILLION, wtih 4.1 BILLION added each and every day. Last year we spent a TRILLION more than we took in.

    The GOP has nothing to lose by standing their ground FOR A CHANGE, instead of acquiescing to this administration with their back door support. No wonder many conservatives and independents stayed home during the last election with this lack luster, and RINO infested party. Putting the onus on Obamacare is what the majority of folks wanted in this country. They were against it then, and against it now!
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    I don't like this question and it has a lot of assumptions built into it. Will the GOP hold the economy hostage to kill obysmalcare? obysmalcare is what is terrifying the economy. Already thousands of companies are switching to part time employees and trying to get under 50 workers so they are not targetted by this monstrous legislation. The economy is struggling to breathe right now, and the question asks would the GOP harm the economy to stop obysmalcare?

    The question should be, would obama destroy the economy to get a fantasy tax enacted on the unsuspecting citizens of this country, and does the GOP plan to oppose him. The answer to both of those questions is a loud resounding YES!
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    Remember- the left only whines when the conservatives fight back.

    And when they whine, you know you are on the right track for America.
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    If it is so f***ing great, why are they pushing it out another year? It couldn't have anything to do with the 2014 eclections, COULD IT.
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    * Neo: I must admit the term "obysmalcare" is pretty darn funny, regardless of what one thinks of the merits. I nearly fell off my chair laughing!
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    that's ridiculous... everyone knows if you're going to take a hostage it has to have value... nobody in their right mind would think this economy has any value... besides they can easily from the government and defund Obama's dream tax on the American people...
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    "Historic" LOL I LOVE how they brand it with that term.
    Yes:

    Historic mess
    Historic debt
    Historic unemployment
    Historic layoffs
    Historic benefit cuts
    Historic part time jobs - cause full time is a no no.
    Historic backroom deals
    Historic Union cronyism
    Historic cluster***k
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    @jond414 Hmmm Oddly enough Trickle down works - Worked for Truman, Kennedy and Reagan.. Trickle up as this guy is trying is idiocy.

    Record Millions on food stamps, record millions unemployed, record millions unemployed, record black unemployment, record teen unemployment. That's trickle UP.
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    @drpeeper

    Oh yes:

    Historic Millions on Disability
    Historic Millions on Food Stamps
    Historic High Gas Prices
    Historic Poverty.

    YAY !!!!!!! Hope and Change !! yes we can ! yay!!!!!
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    @jond414
    Let's clear something up here.
    Granted Neo-Con Republicans added to the current state of the economy but it was the Progressive Democrats and their monetary policies that put America in this economic mess to begin with.

    1) The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 signed by (D) Woodrow Willson.
    This created a fiat currency controlled by a centralized private banking system that steals purchasing power from the earnings and savings of the people through inflation. This money is created out of thin air by these bankers then loaned to the people at interest. This is slavery through debt.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch...

    2) The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 signed by (D) Jimmy Carter.
    This forced banks to make loans to people who were credit risks. Then after default put the burden of debt repay on the tax payer by having the gov't cover that bad loan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinve...

    3) Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 signed by (D) Bill Clinton.
    This repealed the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 letting banks make risky investments with people's savings with NO oversight.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Le...

    4) Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 signed by (D) Bill Clinton.
    This is what caused the massive derivatives bubble. This let banks, investment brokerage houses, and Wall Street speculate on hedge funds/derivatives and set their own fictitious market prices. This is what let them play with people mortgages and chop up those mortgages into little pieces to be re-bundled and sold off again.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Future...

    And as for Clinton's budget surplus...That was a 'projected surplus of 5 years. There was NEVER an 'at the moment' surplus of funds. In fact Clinton added 2.1 Trillion to the national debt in the 96 months he was in office.

    Also...
    While in office Bush added 4.1 trillion dollars to the national debt in 96 months.(12 trillion in unfunded liabilities)
    While in office Obama added 6.2 trillion dollars to the national debt in ONLY 56 months.(23 trillion in unfunded liabilities)

    The Progressive Democrats are a curse on America.
    They say they are for the people but they have the bankers best interest always at heart.
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    What an ignorant view this article offers!! The GOP should do everything possible to free the economy from the debacle known as Obamacare.
  • #279
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    Hey Seedtick: not sure what makes you tick...what's in those seeds anyway?
    As Ronald Reagan might have said, there you go again! That is, knocking down something of substance and replacing it with...what...nothing???
    One form of real "ignorance" -- since you brought it up -- is making blanket attacks without offering any solutions. Any ignoramus can do that. You just proved it. Thanks.
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    @DB-Grinberg First off, I only responded to your attack upon me. If you consider my comment about your view being "ignorant" then you are truly thin skinned. If I had wanted I could have really posted things you would not like.
    I will admit that you view may not have been made in ignorance. I will change this word to "ideological." But, I will then call it "socialist ideology." That is exactly where Obamacare is taking us. This thing has increased my medical costs and limited my access to healthcare providers. It threatens the lifestyle I prepared myself for before I retired. Now, I don't have to lay out a "plan" to express my dislike for anything that is negatively affecting my life, and that of many others I might add. These are facts that fly in the face of your claims. The whole debate is not about young folks only...well, there are a whole bunch of older folks being negatively affected.
  • #317
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    @seedtick -- fair enough. Thanks for your thoughtful response. Just an FYI that I wouldn't write for this site if I were "thin skinned" as the abusive responses and personal attacks are not for the feint of heart.
    However, the focus of this op-ed is not to promote Obamacare, but to remind the GOP that the rebellious and radical Tea Party is bad fro Republicans, bad for the economy and foreign policy, and overall bad for America. If the GOP follows the Tea Party's lead they will only have themselves to blame for losing more elections in 2014 and 2016.
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    This whole article is a big, steaming pile of bs. Paul is doing exactly what I want him to do. I DON'T want Obamacare, no one I know wants obamacare, and personally, I am VERY glad that someone I voted into office is doing what I want them to do. Go Rand!!
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    I agree. If their voters want them to keep fighting it then they're doing their job. The article calls it "PR"...no it isn't. Congress isn't a business doing advertising. The story talks about "reality"...google news about jobs, employers, part-time, hiring....you'll see the "reality" then. That's the reality people are ignoring.
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    @DB-Grinberg whatever. You are wrong. I for one am tired of politicians just bending over and taking it. I'm glad Paul and his colleagues are fighting for what they think is right and for what I want. Thats why I voted for him and thats what I expect him to do. Regardless of the popularity of the decision.
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    It's not intended to be journalism, which is why it's listed as an OP-ED. The OP stands for opinion. The fact that you and so many others don't know the difference is quite frankly scary to me.
  • #271
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    * Well Fallstaff, it looks like you fell on your staff again. No, I don't currently work for a news outlet and I'm not paid for writing on this site. However, FYI:
    1) I have a journalism degree from one the nation's best so-called J-schools.
    2) I've worked as a professional journalist for two national news organizations.
    3) I've won writing awards, including from The Society of Professional Journalists.
    Thus if you want to talk about being a "lapdog propagandist" then you must be one for the libertarian, radical anarchist cause.
    Moreover, with all due respect (that means none), why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it smart as-!!!
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    Prohibition was historic too. So was DOMA. Did people just let THOSE stay as is?

    Obama and the dems passed Obamacare for power and influence. Over their uneducated voter base- not for America, but for them.

    The people stopping it, are not doing it for them, but for America.
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    "The people stopping it, are not doing it for them, but for America."

    It seems to me they're doing it for 1) to appease the Tea Party and 2) to assist Health insurance companies and HMOs.
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    This article acts like the Tea Party has taken U.S. hostage, when in fact its Obama's policies and the ACA that has taken U.S. hostage without a choice and upheld by a gutless supreme court justice and all the while it is bankrupting Amerika!

    Now we have the less than 40hr work week and temporary jobs as the new normal in hiring trends...I don't want Obama Care more than I'm afraid of shutting down the government for a while, it's happened before and we survived and many of us barely noticed it!
  • #277
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    Bravo, Juliet. Where's Romeo?
    First, the Tea Party will gladly take America "hostage" if we let it, just like a cancer that spreads. Second, your comment "without a choice" is disingenuous at best, naive at worst. The people elected and reelected this President. The people elected and reelected this Congress. That sure seems like a choice to me, unless I missed something any we really have one party rule like in communist China. So which is it then, Juliet, America or China? What YOUR "choice"???
  • #284
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    @DB-Grinberg Bull shitt...now none of them who run the show wants to be on it, the unions who pushed their members to vote because of it don't want it because of the work week time cut in hours, the majority of the country is either afraid of it or don't want it but we're stuck with it while those who make the rules don't have to live by them.

    "With out a choice" fits very well what it has been for any business owner or individual who had what they liked previously...which we were promised by Obama we could keep! I also still remember how it was shoved through on the holidays where the Republicans were locked out...not much of an analyst are you...or would you be more like a media propagandist for the Left?

    True Obama was elected twice, but I'm not too damned sure how honest that was either and how much that was swayed by the low information voters which they had targeted very well in his campaign.

    By the way...Bravo Juliet happens to be part of an air craft N number which means Business Jet.
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    Between the waivers and delays, Obamacare appears to simply be unworkable. I say we shelve it until it can be fixed, or we should scrap the whole thing. (And I don’t for a minute believe that either will happen.)
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    Obacare is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that nobody wants to look at. We can't afford it and it is a bureaucratic nightmare. It is one of the major reasons why the so called "recovery" isn't very robust. Not only that but it doesn't even provide everyone with health care coverage which is one of the things it is supposed to do. It is one of the major reasons why the American economy is doing as poorly as it is. Employers are reluctant to hire because of its expense, and the fact that nobody knows all of the taxes and fees that are hidden in it. Corporations are reluctant to invest in expansion for the same reason.

    Unless it if either repealed or fixed it will cause another recession when it is fully implemented. The laws that govern economics were laid down when Og and Ook fell out of the trees and they don't change just because we don't like them or they don't fit our agendas.
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    Nobody wants to look at? Explain 40 votes if nobody is looking at it. They're just not bothering to explain it to you or fix what they think is wrong. It's being held up as a prop. They're posturing and waiting for the midterms so they can say we will continue to fight obamacare. They'll never win, CLEARLY. Then again, they don't want to. It's the new carrot to dangle in front of all the jackasses who listen to them. They sure as hell don't have anything else to run on. Not anything of value or meaning this session. Well, unless you count the DOMA being struck down. That will poll well with the do as we say crowd won't it.
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    Talk about the most biased and partisan topic ever put on here. Good job politix staff you have set the bar on enforcing a liberal agenda again.
  • #276
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    Well, first of all, op-eds are supposed to be "biased" by their very nature -- that's why they are called opinion-editorials. Second, it's easy to throw stones from a glass house. So what's your solution to the health care crisis, the economy and national debt???
    Lastly, this is an open dialogue, not a closed debate.
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    "Illegitimate"? It has been upheld by all three branches of government. It doesn't get any more legitimate than that.
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    @DARSB When you pass a law before it is completely written, no one has read and the majority of Americans don't want, then start giving exemptions to the chosen corps and religious organizations, thats illegitimate IMO
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    @DARSB If all three branches upheld a law that restricted and censored everything you say, would you consider that legitimate, despite the first amendment to the Constitution? What if they started requiring you to house and feed all the returning troops from Iraq in your own home?
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    @TheSaltMiner Your scenario is similar to that famous question in Sunday school, "Can God make a rock so big that he himself can't lift it?"

    Why would you postulate SCOTUS upholding any law that violates the constitution?
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    If an impasse happens, the President had the final say-so in what gets cut in a "shutdown" situation.

    So, no one is holding anyone hostage...unless the President decides to withhold Social Security and Welfare payments.

    All cuts in a "shutdown" fall on the President. He just doesn't want to be held accountable.
  • #125
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    That's exactly right. And, this whole "Repubs holding hostage" is a big fat lie. The budget they'll pass fully funds every single thing it always has...they'll just leave money for Obamacare out. And, Obama will veto anything that opposes Obamacare. It sounds like Dems are holding the economy hostage and holding Congress hostage. Who're the "obstructionists"? Example: this bill they just passed to ban the IRS from Obamacare...its a legitimate vote for legitimate reasons. Yet, the senate or Obama will simply kill it with no debate over the legitimate issues of IRS involvement. That is obstruction.
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    @Slowmo - Should the IRS be in the healthcare administration business? No. However, all of these issues have already been decided by legal democratic vote PLUS a SCOTUS decision. All these attempts by the GOP and their Tea Party contingent to block, stymie, put off, or otherwise prevent the ACA from taking effect are the obstructionism in this case.
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    @Denizen_Kate you seem I telligent enough, so let me point out that #1 just because SCOTUS rules for or against anything doesn't mean that the President or Congress must abide by that ruling. Also the Tea Party is a concept and is embraced by Conservatives, not Republicans, so any arguement that a concept is obstructing is kind of silly
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    @RedFloppyShoes - The Tea Party may have started out as a concept, but it's become much more.

    The SCOTUS rules on constitutional issues, so yes, the president and congress must abide by those decisions.
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    @Denizen_Kate well it wasn't that the SCOTUS "voted for Obamacare"..they ruled on the constitutionality of calling "penalties" "taxes".(They got it wrong, IMHO. But that's neither here nor there). Yes, there was a vote. On a huge legislation about which the folks voting on it weren't very informed.(And that's their own fault but that too is neither here not there, at this point). That being said, the situation with the IRS isn't the same as it was at the time of that vote.
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    Honestly, I hope they do stick to it and let the government shut down, instead of passing some sort of cop-out 11th hour nonsense like they did at 11:57 PM last December 31st. It's time the rest of Washington wakes up and realizes they can't keep borrowing and spending our economy into oblivion.
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    Not to mention the boost it will give to any candidate who is not a teabagger/neocon in the next election.

    And it pretty well gives the presidency to whatever Democrat wins the nomination.

    Good job!!
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    @harold_lloyd Maybe a miracle will happen and we'll get a Libertarian president instead--the Democrats are just as bad about borrowing and spending us into oblivion as the Republicans.
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    @TheSaltMiner
    About the only thing worse than Democrats, or even Republicans, is libertarians.

    Government by wishful thinking sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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    * SaltMiner: what about necessary economic stimulus -- whether it's tax cuts, spending or both -- to lift up an economy that can't seem to get off the ropes after coming back from a knock out punch?
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    @DB-Grinberg I'm all for tax cuts, but unless they're across the board, they're only going to further distort the economy. Pick-and-choose cuts and spending unnaturally emphasizes some market sectors over others and is a major contributor to the fact that the economy is on the ropes. The other contributor is this outrageous amount of debt to fund the outrageous amount of spending--inflating the money supply the way the government does drives prices up for the little guy, but not immediately, not until after the big bankers, who are the first to get the new money in the supply, get to use it at the original prices (before the market fully feels the effect of the inflated supply). Sure, extravagant spending may give the economy a temporary boost, but in the long term, the inflation and distortion it causes only hurts the economy more. It's time we all take note that government control of the economy, which was intended to prevent the frequent small booms and busts of the 1800s, has only further exacerbated economic woes, giving us crises like the Great Depression, the recession of the past decade, and a workforce so beaten down that despite the fact that 23% are without work, only 7% are still trying to find it (hence our "low" unemployment numbers).
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    This is one of the reasons why the GOP (the Genitalia Obsessed Party) will never win another national election. If it wasn't for the gerrymandering, voter intimidation and outright election fraud they would not be winning any local elections either.
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    So in other words, you whine and bitch when the opposition fights back. Deal with it. Never take political advice from your political opponents.

    Next time something like DOMA comes up, we will expect you to start whining about people fighting against that.
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    you might want to rethink that genius.... with all the Democrats in the news lately obsessed with their own penises, your childish statement is laughable.

    another instance of a Democrat
    " projecting" the perversion of their party on anyone else. their favorite former president... a rapist and serial sexual assaulter..
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    @bsking Repugs aren't obsessed with their genitals,just controlling the genitalia of all women with their sanctimonious anti abortion bills ..They should all get trans-penal ultrasounds .
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    The Republicans won't hold the economy hostage. The law itself is holding you hostage, especially if you work for a living. Your premiums are going way up and you will lose your Doctor. If you don't work then you get free health care. That's called sharing the wealth. Don't think it so? What did this charlatan of a President say? He said he was going to spread the wealth which means redistribution, just like socialism/communism. He also said he was going to "Fundamentally transform the Nation". Still don't believe it?
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    Refusing to fund Obamacare can only hold the economy "hostage" if you believe that only government spending fuels the economy. After World War I even Keynes agreed that tax cuts caused investors and businesses to take money out of tax shelters and invest in job creating businesses. Suggested reading: "Trickle Down Theory and 'Tax Cuts for the Rich'" by Thomas Sowell. BTW 'trickle down' was never the way it was supposed to work. That phrase was coined by Roosevelt as an epithet to use against Republicans. It is used today by people who have no idea what they are talking about.
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    That's just it...all they'll do is pass a budget fully funding govmnt operations..they just would leave out Obamacare funding. That's not holding the economy hostage.
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    @Slowmo There you go, thinking for yourself again! Don't you know you are supposed to panic and call your Representative and tell him to bully the Republicans into fully finding everything the Democrats want to spend, forever and ever, amen?
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    The "historic" health care law is destroying our economy all by its self! The Obama sheep can defend it all they want even though they have no idea what they are talking about! My medical costs gave goneup 45% already with more to come thanjsthanks to thus crap! We are all sitting back watching this country drown!
  • #286
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    * Okay then, regardless of whether you accurately identified the problem, do you have any proposed solutions? Or is your answer that you fall in line with the "Party of No"? All talk, no substance. I know that folks from Al Gore's home state are smarter than that.
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    @1971tennessee - Regrets for offending you with the Gores political legacy (father and son). My guess is that Lamar Alexander is more to your liking?
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    What's killing the economy these days is onerous big government, symbolized by ObamaCare, which is weighing down on business like dead weight. Unless government is rolled back and people again become free, look forward to a nation of part time minimum wage jobs as government continues to drive good paying full time work away. When even the unions turn against something Democrats have done, you know something is wrong.
  • #282
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    * Okay, based on that logic we should further empower and shower money on corporate America while the people rot on the vine?
    Moreover, the government is the nation's largest employer. Thus furloughs, sequesters, salary freezes and shutdowns equate to millions of citizens having much less money in their pockets. The biggest driver of economic growth is consumer spending. As Ronald Reagan once said (along with others), facts are stubborn things.
    And sorry, but I can't spare a nickle for your thoughts, Cary.
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    @DB-Grinberg Corporate America is not the enemy, government is. Private sector "Corporate America" creates jobs and pays taxes. Should big business be subsidized by government? No. But if we aren't going to subsidize business, that includes electric car companies like Tesla Motors ($465 million federal subsidy, tens of millions of state subsidies), and solar power companies like Brightsource Energy ($1.5 BILLION Dept. of Energy subsidy to build solar plant in California). Furthermore, the fact that the Federal Government is the nation's largest single employer is an indication of how deep our economic troubles are. Every federal paycheck is taxpayer subsidized, and those taxpayer subsidies must come from people who work in the PRIVATE sector. If government were to simply chase the same dollars around in a circle over and over, they'd run out of money in no time. For our economy, and our nation, to survive long-term, the focus should be on LESS government, and MORE private sector.
  • #315
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    @CaryNickel - thanks for those comments. I'm for deferring and delegating many federal powers back the states, as the Founding Fathers originally intended -- weak central government, not the "Imperial Presidency" (which applies to both parties). However, you also must admit that the private sector is far from perfect. Corporate America, especially Wall Street, cares more about bottom line profits than people and needs to be regulated to avoid more scandals and stomping on the little guy.
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    Political theater? You mean like delaying implementation of parts of this wonderful law until after the 2014 midterms? Or fixing so called "glitches" in this wonderful law that was passed before anyone could read it in any appreciable way?
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    * Since your avatar implies disability, just wondering if you also think that people with preexisting medical conditions should face blanket denials for health care coverage? That hurts some of the most vulnerable among us, but it sure helps the big insurance companies who help fund political campaigns.
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