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    The fracking companies are protecting themselves from other potential suits and actions. It's a little overboard when you prohibit children from discussing the subject and I would think when the children are older they will have every right to talk, they did not agree to anything, their parents agreed for them. Once they become adults the parental decision is invalid.
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    Cigarette companies used the same non disclosure tactics in the early days of cigarette danger emerging. Won't work long term but it will work long enough to make billions in profits.
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    Obviously the children incurred physical damages. The nature and extendent of the damages would both facilliate and encourage other litigants The parents have accepted a settlement. The children cannot bring suit on their own behalf until they reach age 18. The statute of limitations clock for the kids starts running at age 18. I cannot conceive of a court allowing the company to seek refund of the award should the minors breech the gag order. In case there was any doubt as to who owns the judicial system in this county all the participants in the legal community were bought and paid for by the fracking company. If the children were included they should have had a guardian appointed by the court to protect their interests, The order will not hold up when reviewed by higher courts outside the corrupt local system
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    The children are not adults and cannot to my knowledge be included in a life long gag order. I would think that when they are 18 they could speak up again. Of course I'm not lawyer.
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    You don't have to be a lawyer to figure that one out. It is not uncommon for lawyers to try and employ legal fake outs at times. If they work they work, if they don't they don't. Scummy tactics from scummy people! Cops are simular.
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    Was thinking the same thing. From what little I remember from undergrad law class, I don't think this would be legally enforceable on the kids
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    I live in an area that is heavy with well pads. There are so many problems with this, but it isn't going anywhere. Money always wins.
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    @NoGoodLiberal I don't live in Quebec but as a geography / environmental studies grad (decades ago) I have been following this for a while.
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    @ErnestPayne Do you really think that we are going to ban it anytime soon? I doubt it. I hope that we could, but I just can't imagine it.
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    I just saw a report stating a survey did not detect any contamination near a fracking site. I believe this like I believe Bethlehem Steel did not poison workers with radioactive material and Hooker Chemical did not fill Love Canal with poison and asbestos is safe. I do notice one thing, there is never anyone held accountable. Accountability in the form of life in prison and losing all your assets no matter where you hid them because it's not negligence, it's murder.
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    "according to anti-fracking advocates." That is about all that I needed to see in this piece to cast my vote.
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    Good thing it doesn't really matter that they're banned since minors can't legally enter into contracts. They can say whatever they want from now until the day the die and there's nothing Ranger Resources can do about it. You'd think a big company with a legal team would know this, but maybe they were just banking on the fact that the parents lacked the knowledge to know and would agree to it to get their fat check.
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    First off, this isnt an order, it is a settlement the parents sre willingly agreeing to. The fracking company has no "power" to force such a thing.
    Having said that, I dont see how parents can create a legally binding sgreement that stoos their kids from speaking out once they are adults.
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    @BostonRob It's indefensible in court. The now adult children would be rewarded attorney fees plus. Simply a stalling tactic because it will years and billions in profits before the children reach adulthood.
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    @BostonRob generally, lawyers only collect fees on lawsuits if they win. Either way, the parents could have just refused to agree to it with their kids names attsched. I dont see the parents as oppressed victims when they agreed to this in exchange for the moneu. I dount it will be legally binding on the kids, but the parents are equally to blame for their kids being a factor in the settlement....
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    @songbird I dont see how they can be legally bound to an agreement their parents made for their entire lives either.... we'll see. Nothing would surprise me anymore....
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    A gag order like this is no more than an attempt to keep the rest of us from knowing how damaging the fracking process is to the environment.

    We need to not let that happen, or by the time the harm becomes obvious to any neutral party, it will be too late to fix, and the company that's responsible will have gone out of business.

    For those of you who question the need for govt regulation, this is the place to see reality if you ever are going to do that.
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    The children who have been physically affected by fracking should be able to talk about it. How can it be legal to put a gag order on children? They aren't old enough to even understand the implications. When their parents pass away, there's no legal way to stop them from speaking about it. They aren't old enough to be legally gagged about anything. I'm sure these kids probably will talk about it, there's no legal way to really stop them. They are minors. The are not old enough to be held by a legally binding contract. Even while their parents are alive and even if their parents tell them they can't. I know as a child I would tell my friends as a secret, which of course would spread. I mean, the words already out. People already know why this family won this lawsuit. It's no secret. What good does a gag order do now?
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    I know that there are going to be exceptions to the rule but for the most part, Fracking is safe http://rt.com/usa/study-claims-fracking-safe-...
    I Don't know if you are for it or against it but I enjoy reading what you have to say , and I felt that you would be intellectually honest, study this and come down on the right side of the issue, I have spent my whole life in the Natural Gas industry, Fracking will make this country not only energy independent, but we have found so much Natural Gas reserves that the price has dropped from 20 dollars in 2008 to near 9 dollars at it's low earlier this year and we are exporting more now than ever in our history. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n3010us3m.htm
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energ... "We are the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas. Democrats Like Barak Obama and John Kerry are on board for Fracking along with virtually everyone that really knows the truth.
    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/aug/05/ob...
    Why am I telling you this, I have seen your posts, I know that if I can convince you, that you will be a strong advocate for the industry. Fracking in the Dakotas has unemployment down to near zero, workers are flocking there, similar to the gold rush in 1849, so much so that Wal-mart is hiring employees at over $14 per hour, because of the competition for employees.
    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/apr/29/...

    Thanks in Advance, TURK Myrtle Beach
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    @MBTurk
    I think care needs to be made where fracking occures so that the liquids don't end up getting into the underground water supplies. When they do, the results can be far worse than this particular case. It is poisonous. Fracking can be safely done if this care is taken to keep people out of harms way. If they do not use this care Erin Brokevich could end up having a heyday going after these companies. They are already in her crosshairs. It's a fine line between being great for our economy and making people sick. Because of population centers, we may not be able to access all of the natural gas we could unless someone comes up with a nontoxic way to keep the pipes and machinery from rusting due to needing to use water in the fracking process. I am not against fracking. I am against fracking where those chemicals can get into water supplies. As I said, it's a fine line they have to walk to insure safety in the fracking process.
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    @MBTurk
    I've read everything now that you linked. My conclusion stands. They have to be very careful and not cut any corners. They know how to make fracking safer and should used every aspect with every well! The more shallow wells should probably be left alone. Also, cement, cement, cement! I mean the strong cement, no cutting corners. Also reinforce those lines to the fullest extent! It can be done. It may cut into profits a little bit, but not enough to hurt those companies one bit. And they do have the radioactivity off. They can release naturally occurring radioactivity at much higher amounts than could naturally occur. They need to keep testing to be sure. Good thick amounts of very high quality concrete can reduce this. Radiation is my field. I am a radiation physicist. They can even test before they drill and can tell if they will be drilling through radioactive substances. It may not seem like that big of a deal, but repeated exposure to small amounts of radioactivity can be harmful. Especially to those drillers. That's repeated direct exposure to small amounts of radioactivity. In layman's terms, bad! I'm thinking of safety to all involved. The companies are responsible to do fracking as safely as possible. They know how to prevent any spills also. Any spill that occurs is because of cutting corners. I guess the healthcare professional comes out in me regarding this. My job is to get the exact amount of radiation to the exact spot, sparing all healthy tissue in cancer treatment. I work hand in hand with the oncologist, dosimitrist and therapist to insure this for every cancer patient we have. We can do so much more than we used to to spare all healthy tissue and prevent burns that used to just be part of radiation therapy cancer treatment. Not anymore! At least at hospitals like ours. There are actually still poor rural hospitals that still use natural radium. That should be as extinct as dinosaurs!
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    @BelinKS Thank you very much for using your time to read the material, I agree with what you have said. I really get tired of people trashing the fracking method. It was a problem in PA but progress has been made through researching what caused the problems. Just like all other industries. We have gotten better and better, now it is so high tech that the process hardly even leaves a footprint.

    Again I cannot express my gratitude for your time and honest conclusion. Bless you.
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    How would it be enforceable? The children cannot be legally bound by an agreement signed by their parents, and the children cannot legally agree to the terms themselves until they are 18.
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    These kids are young. Do they really think it will work? "Now, children, we're not supposed to talk about this." Next day at school, "guess what? We just got a bunch of money from fracking!!" Really??
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