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  • #32
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    Why give them a bus ticket? March them in chains back across the border and make them pull something also, you know, to reduce carbon emissions.:-D

    I might be Hispanic, but I have no love for illegal immigrants, and not much for many of the legal ones unless they are decent hardworking people.
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    @Concerned_Cit

    If a kid shows up at the ER with a broken arm and no ID, you think we should refuse treatment until someone can prove he's a citizen?

    Is that what you want this country to be?

    I very much do not.
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    Short response...Good. This country should be a harsh, unforgiving and dangerous place for criminals. We should be encouraging them to get the hell out, not to flock in.
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    So if a girl walks into the Er with a serious laceration, you think she shouldn't get help until she can prove she's a citizen?

    Do you think that's the sort of country we should become.
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    @harold_lloyd From your posts you appear to be a brainwashed left winger who is overly optimistic about what the government is trying to do. I appreciate charity but charity should be left to charity, not the government. I worked for the government and believe you me, the only thing the government is interested in is itself and its growth and preservation. I hear wise cracks on Politix about the Republicans being self centered - they are no where near as self centered as the government.
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    @Calfkiller That may be a low estimate! There has to be a bunch of them to tell the demo sheep what they are allowed to think, and what their opinion is on any given topic.
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    @Calfkiller Dain seems to write fair articles, other than that it seems to amount to a frantic attempt to baffle everyone with BS. I'm seriously considering dropping this bad habit along with facebook.
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    @1971tennessee oh yeah! nothing but a bunch of misleading articles with misleading poll options. The worse the POTUS starts to smell the more frantic they get.
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    @Calfkiller again...my thoughts exactly. It is difficult to enjoy a good debate when everything here us set up and tainted to make Obama and his cronies look as good as they can make him. That is very difficult...but I'm certain politix is scared the NSA is copying and pasting everything I write! Gid speed my friend!
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    @stepped_in_it to the best of my knowledge no one is actually covered yet are they? wasn't that the part that they just postponed?
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    @Hillofbeans it's so damn obvious they are counting their votes every time the subject of illegal aliens comes up. How is it that the Conservatives are cowed by this? How do the libtards sit there with a straight face and claim that they are trolling for votes?
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    I'm an American citizen. I always have been. I have been insured my entire life until I was dropped by my husbands insurance through a legal loophole when Obamacare was passed and I had been diagnosed with SLE lupus. I am uninsurable. I can't even get proper stabilizing treatment in the emergency room. I get minimum care and told to visit my doctor and am billed for 100% of the ER bill. Looks like I would fair better as an illegal immigrant in trying to get much needed medical care. Emergency Medicaid for illegal immigrants? I'm a citizen with bad credit now because of medical bills and illegal immigrants can get free emergency care!?! Something's very wrong with this picture!
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    "Something's very wrong with this picture!"

    That story is a stretch.

    starting with," legal loophole when Obamacare was passed", because when the ACA passed, nothing changed at all whatsoever.....not even a little, for a couple of years.
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    No they should not. They should have to pay for it like everyone else. Kinda hard to enforce though if they are illegal. Odds are they are using someone elses SS#.
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    When you go to the ER, you get treated without regard to anything but your need for care. That's the law.

    Everything else comes second.

    Not that some ERs don't have it ass backwards, but they aren't supposed to.
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    @harold_lloyd and that is precisely the reason healthcare costs have soared. The costs are put on the backs of the responsible ones. It's a fact. That's why we have the individual mandate. So as to prevent the transfer of costs. Problem is that there are going to be tens of millions of people that simply will not obtain the insurance as it will be cheaper to pay the fine, and you can still get healthcare. The CBO I think it was projects an annual cost of 10.9 billion in healthcare to illegals. Hence the misleading article about how few illegals will be tapping the system.
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    @harold_lloyd and unless you hit the fire escape, or do not have a wallet or I.D. they will send you a bill that DOES go on your credit record. Though it is a minor infraction.
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    @Calfkiller No, this is not the reason healthcare costs have soared. This is not some kind of special thing that only occurs in the USA. There are emergency rooms that treat all cases on a need to basis around the world and in countries with far better health care than we get at a lower cost.
    Healthcare costs so much in this country because the lobbyists have effectively made it so.
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    @frigginhell blame it on the boogey man if you want to, good luck finding some facts to back it up. Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville one of THE best children's hospitals in the country is a non profit. Last year alone they provided 380 million in healthcare, much of it very advanced burn treatments, cancer treatments etc. all free, all to people unable to pay. Some places are set up like that. Maybe I misspoke if I said it was the only reason costs have soared, but that along with ridiculously large lawsuits is the reason. you can say no and look for the boogey man like I said but that doesn't make it fact.
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    could it be all do to the birds of a feather thing? they same criminals start somewhere and when you are ok with a little crime soon you are ok with all.
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    Illegal anything is bad. And if Obama gets his way, he will make them legal and they can then apply for whatever.

    Fortunately I hear the Republicans will stop Obamacare if they have to close the government to do it.

    Just I might add as the country is begging them too.
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    That's correct and is the point they keep trying to keep behind the door. If amnesty passes they will no longet be illegal, and that acounts for a total estimated number of 55 million immigrants with their hand in our pocket, all subsidized because they will all be on low skill/paying jobs.

    Here are some links for 1 state, which refutes the numbers from this article nationwide numbers by over double, and done several years back.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/illegal-immig...

    http://www.window.state.tx.us/uninsure/

    Florida estimate, 4 billion per year in 2010
    http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/...

    Here is another one that includes some more numbers from 7 states.
    http://articles.philly.com/1994-09-15/news/25...
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    so what you are saying here is "anyone who is injured or ill can go to ANY emergency room in America and be treated without even being asked for insurance, citizenship status or whether or not you ever intend to pay for medical treatment received"?!? kind of what obamma claimed could not transpire before his abomination plan was implemented? because everyone was dying in the streets remember!!!!
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    @dontmatter

    No, you. And me. All of us.
    And at whatever rate the hospital decides to charge, and they don't do a lot of discounting when they know that whatever the amount of the bill, it'll get paid.

    Better to have someone paying who also has the task of holding the line on costs and the clout to make a hospital play nice.
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  • #7
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    all who come here from other countries unless citizens should not get anything free,that free cost tax payers,and if they are not paying their own way they should not be here.
  • #38
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    So that unconscious guy, he looks funny, better let him bleed out, he might not be one of us.

    Civilization is a thin veneer, and yours is especially thin.
  • #89
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    @harold_lloyd are you claiming to know what an illegal aliens looks like?

    is there any good reason we should do anything for illegal aliens other than triage and send them home? why should we ever pay for another countries peoples,should not that country pay it all ?
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    @harold_lloyd maybe you are ok with an American citizen dying do to the er is full of illegals,or the fact hospitals have been forced to close all do to too many illegal aliens are there robbing citizens for free healthcare.

    its time we all put our fellow citizens above all others something that is not been happening for a few years now.
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    @harold_lloyd
    You really stretch rarity into a total fair tale. When have you seen any first responder allow anyone to die, regardless of nationality? After providing the necessities to maintain life, the illegals should then be escorted back to their county of origin and that country billed for the medical costs. It won't happen because we are going to pass the immigration reform act and continue to fund treatment, regardless of what the act says or does not say. The Hippocratic Oath requires doctors give aid regardless of nationality.
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    They are really pouring on the ACA articles. I think it's lack of popularity has to with the name. They should name it something that sounds more palatable than Obamacare. Like Ponzicare, since it is an Amway model.
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    Federal law requires emergency departments to take all comers and stabilize their condition before discharge. No exceptions. The stimulus for the law was a notorious case in Washington state in which an uninsured women in labor was refused admission to the first hospital she went to and then died in the ambulance en route to a second.

    As for care of illegal immigrants, that care is subsidized in a number of ways. What "emergency Medicaid" or other indigent care programs don't cover is recouped by hospitals using a practice called "cost shifting", in which the bills for insured patients are padded with charges from uninsured care in order to keep the hospital operating in the black.

    This is the sort of craziness a single payer system would go a long way toward alleviating.
  • #30
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    Yes it is called Christian Charity. America is a "Christian" nation so the idiots in here proclaim. Their Christianity begins and ends with going to Church and has nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity.
  • #9
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    So if America adds more of these illegal leeches would that number not rise?Of coarse it would not only more dem voters but more to drain the medical system and tax payer money faster.Here is an oxymoron the fool is a genius.
  • #170
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    Congressional Research Service:“undocumented aliens” who have a “substantial presence” in the US would be required to buy health insurance (page 4) through the exchanges in HR3200. They would also become eligible for “emergency Medicaid,” although not normal Medicaid (page 6) for up to five years.

    House Democrats defeated all attempts in committee to add an enforcement mechanism that would require proof of citizenship or legal residency for those getting subsidies.

    Section “246 would bar unauthorized aliens from receiving any premium or cost-sharing credit,” it says, but that may be hard to enforce. It also states later that “absent of a provision in the bill specifying the verification procedure, that the Commissioner would be responsible for determining a mechanism to verify the eligibility of noncitizens for the credits”— or in other words, HR3200 fails to provide it entirely. I gave it a little too much credit, apparently, more than Congress’ own analysts do.
  • #173
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    It's funny because we can't check ID's at the voting booth but all of a sudden we're going to start checking them at the hospital?

    Is there a lie a liberal won't tell????
  • #102
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    An interesting aside: no, they are not covered by Obama care, but that fact makes them more desirable to hire. All things being equal, it is cheaper to hire an immigrant with a green card because the employer is not required to furnish health care or pay the fine for them but he will for an American. More unemployed Americans.
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