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  • #123
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    @frigginhell Spying on everyone without justification is wrong, but this situation is different because terrorists are known to congregate at mosques, and listen to the babble of terror inciting imams.
  • #134
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    @frigginhell The only way to find that out is to spy on all mosques and their attendees. Even if it stops just one Islamic terrorist attack it will be worth it.
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    @readuxbi Lets just spy on everyone, plant wires in their brain so that they cannot do anything without government approval then finally we can have world peace.
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    "First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."
    -Martin Niemöller
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    They will most definitely continue to label groups......as for being right ones, I won't vouch for that.
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    @Hound Shriners?...You mean those men who wear Fez hats and ride around in crazy little cars? Why would they label them? They are a benevolent Org. that helps sick children, they're NOT terrorists. I've never known them to bomb buildings or kill masses of people.
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    @mimi57 that's my point. WE know that but try telling that to the Feds when they get a notion to snoop!........I love those hats by the way.
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    @BravoJuliet you have to be careful with how your saying that......only because you are wrong. The thing is this: we tend to see all arabs as fanatic, radicals, whatever. They do the same thing: crazy Zionist Americans. We sit sit back and say: hey, I'm no religious fanatic! I'm jut a working class American that is trying to pay the bills and get ahead every now and then.

    They are the same way for the most part. I've seen it and lived among them. They get home from work and play with their kids, watch a little tv, etc.

    As far as the book they read......it would be wise to use it in its proper context or you risk making the same mistake that the radical Islamists have made. We have some pretty crazy verses in the Old Testament of our very own Bible that if a person were to just pick it up and find one randomly it would cause them to be alarmed.

    Just my thoughts on it. Not all Muslims are radical.
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    @BravoJuliet A book written after travels to where God and Christ were worshiped, which is where the idea came from, stolen from the Jews.
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    @Hillofbeans isn't that funny how they have convinced millions of people with a bad case of plagiarism?
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    Shocking! Just Shocking! Next thing you know, they government will be classifying conservative Christian organizations are terrorist organizations.
    Oops... wait minute...
    Nevermind.
  • #103
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    Indeed so true...He most likely is a Muslim sympathizer , Most likely he comes from an entire family of British sympathizers, who where against our founding revolution.
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    @ErnestPayne
    so you say my limey friend
    and they all shipped off to Canada, so we're done with em,
    *dusts off hands
    done
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    Never hear a peep out of the "moderate" Muslims over the supposedly 'small' minority of extremists in their ranks. Nor do we hear any condemnations of the Christians being slaughtered in Egypt. Where is their moral decency and where is the outrage? They should also work to eradicate the 'small' minority of extremists from their ranks.
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    Did you miss the Muslims that were going to refuse burial to the Boston Bomber?

    Just because you usually don't hear about it in the media doesn't mean they don't.
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    Nope. It's wrong to slap a label on anyone simply so you can use it as "justification" to spy on them.

    If someone has "real" evidence they can use the proper channels to legally monitor someone or some group. N.Y. is fast becoming....had become way to aggressive in their dealings. Stop and frisk come to mind.
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  • #125
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    Incorrect, We generally stand behind Judaism and Israel too, along with Hinduism, Buddhism, and generally any other religion that hasn't sworn to convert us or kill us, and then gone about flying airplanes full of innocents into skyscrapers full of innocents in the name of their faith. But if the Jews, Buddhists, or Hindus do that, then they'll be on our "excrement" list too.
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    And this "profiling" worked so well that "the NYPD has never criminally charged a mosque or Islamic organization with operating as a terrorism enterprise."
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    @bsking It's been 12 years. At what point does this stop being prudent preemptive surveillance and start being government intrusion into freedom of religion?
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    @DARSB I don't know at what point do you spring to the immediate defense of the Christian churches? I imagine New York City cops and firefighters are still a little bit agitated with the Muslims.
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    @bsking Don't change the subject. I'm asking you a question that you seem unwilling to answer. "At what point does this stop being prudent preemptive surveillance and start being government intrusion into freedom of religion?"
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    And this is news why? I am sorry but if all the known terrorist dressed like Batman, and a family of Batman dressing people moved in, I would watch them.
  • #29
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    Are you saying you wouldn't be pissed if the majority of terrorists were Christians and churches were put under surveillance?
  • #11
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    Well then they better hit the churches, temples, and synagogues. Because they are just as bad. But seriously? Terrorist organization? That's just wrong.
  • #141
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    we're just as bad huh?
    accept timothy McVeigh was an atheist
    who else you got? name 10
    could I name 10 muslim terrorists?
    could I name 100 mohammeds?
    relativism's a wonderful thing
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    Some imams preach violence against Christians and maybe those mosques have a weapons cache,just waiting for the right time
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    So much for civil rights huh? We're a bunch of brain dead zombies. No worries...keep agreeing with this crap until YOUR rights are completely trampled on, and then cry a river... I'm sure it will be too late. I'm beside myself that so many of my fellow Americans are inflicted with H.U.A.(Head Up Ass). Can we get a cure already!?
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    This is from David Horowitz's Discover the Networks:

    The second development was the radicalization of Arabs in North America, under the influence of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In 1982 the Muslim Brotherhood, which Islam expert Robert Spencer has called "the parent organization of Hamas and al Qaeda," adopted a strategic plan known as "The Global Project for Palestine." This Project laid the groundwork for a terrorist "secret apparatus" that eventually would culminate in the creation of Hamas in December 1987 and the unveiling of the Hamas charter in August 1988. As an outgrowth of this project, in May 1991 the Muslim Brotherhood issued to its ideological allies an explanatory memorandum on "the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America." Explaining that the Brotherhood's mission was to establish "an effective and ... stable Islamic Movement" on the continent, this document outlined a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" for achieving that objective. It stated that Muslims "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc....
  • #94
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    How do you keep from having a stroke or a heart attack, as frightened as you seem to be? You're getting your information from pretty radical sources.
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    @politixlisa

    What's up with the poll here? What does this have anything to do with racial profiling? It just seems so random. Nothing in the article itself suggested a racial angle.

    This is certainly religious discrimination, but there's no evidence of a race angle here.
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    seriously?? 2/3 don't think that an organization that arbitrarily stops and frisks is not a problem when it uses blanket designations to target organizations??
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    @Denizen_Kate
    no, why?
    I think an arab sheikh wearing a long beard and a sneer should be the one frisked and the nun should not be, I guess i'm crazy
  • #72
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    Fair enough. The Westboro Baptist Church and the Christian people's of Mufreesboro, TN have convinced me that Evangelicals are self-righteous, malicious, conniving individuals.
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    @PauldenZangpo - Ok. I don't know of these churches or what evil they may have done. How many people were killed, maimed and injured by their actions?
  • #79
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    @Gatnos to my knowledge, zero. Not pertinent to my statement as it is not death, maiming, or injury I fear from Evangelicals, but rather systematic persecution of all religions not their own.
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    @Now_What oh, you mean the branch davidians in waco? the ones that the atf burned out, killing all those innocent women and children? that waco?
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