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    How many times are we going to start a war in the middle east? And then back pedal 5 years later and say it was a bad idea? NO, JUST NO, DON'T TAKE MILITARY ACTION.
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    @DanEMorgan - Until Syria is a LEGITIMATE threat to the US, we need to stay the hell out of it. These barbarians have been killing each other for centuries. The intervention of the US will only exacerbate an already hellish existance.
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    I say stay the hell away from this fight. I can't think of any good outcome for the US by sticking their nose in this civil war. All sides in this fight are hostile to the US, if it was a friendly government or ally that was attacked with chemical weapons, then I would say yes...intervene. But we have to choose between Hamas, Hezbollah and al queda....all enemies to the US. The best outcome would be to let them slug it out all by themselves. Hopefully all the fanatical whack jobs will kill themselves in the process.

    I would take it one step further. Let the UN settle it if it is such a humanitarian crisis. If the UN is unwilling to stand up for unarmed civilians being gassed to death, then what use is this organization? If the UN is unwilling to intervene in a clear case of war atrocities, then the US should withdraw membership and evict them from US soil.

    If it is such a humanitarian crisis
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    Hmmm - sounds like the reasoning the left used to NOT interfere when Hitler was gassing the Jews. Yep - not our concern, he's not gassing US yet.
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    @Tralee what are you talking about? I thought you were against a military action and or US intervention in the current civil crisis in Syria?
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    @Tralee Ok...fair enough criticism. Let me pose this question. Latest reports have found that Assad is hiding/storing the chemical weapons among the civilian poplulation. We can not simply bomb the sites without dispersing the chemical agents. It will require boots on the ground to secure those locations. Would you be willing to sacrifice your son or daughter to save a population that for the most part hates us and would like us dead? I don't!

    I still stand by my earlier comments....let the UN manage this crisis. This is exactly the kind of problem the UN Charter is supposed to address. We can support the UN, as always, but let them take the leading roll in resolving this humanitaririan conflict.

    We really don't have a horse in the Syria race. Neither side is more likely than the other to adopt a pro western democracy. If the UN is as feckless as I suspect, then the US should withdraw membership from the UN.
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    @JackinVienna You are absolutely correct, the maneuver is not exactly a surprise since this is the hallmark of murdering thugs in the Middle East. Unfortunately, this leaky WH leaked all the particulars, for some reason, and this is the result. What should have been done was less talk, less leaking for political purposes and we could have gone in, used the bombs we have that can destroy and not disperse the gas etc. and left. We didn't since I truly believe that Obama had little heart for doing anything at all. Unfortunately, he did what he does best, talk and bluster.[There is a reason he is so much better scripted and on a tel-promter] Now we are behind the 8-ball. We drew a line in the sand - do we just walk away humming a happy tune? OR - do we stand by our ground and the Geneva Convention and do something? I say we have no choice but to do something - granted we no longer can take out the poison, but we can, with bombs alone, do a pretty significant number on his air force. That would be a minor but fairly effective clue that we will not stand by while this murdering thug does a number on his own people. Remember, the Geneva Convention about not using poison gas, etc. also protects our troops when in combat. If this guy gets away with it, with nothing more than a stern letter from the UN (assuming they even do that) what's to stop any country from using them next?

    As to the UN - LOL - right, let them handle it. Hee Haa - yeah, and boy oh boy will Assad be put in his place when he gets that extra stern letter from the UN - yep, that'll show him, that'll make him stop. What world do you live in that the UN has ever managed to do anything to stop this sort of stuff? Remember, China and Russia will veto anything that is put forth. So, at the end of the day, Assad has basically been given a green light to do whatever he wants without anything more than a finger wag from the UN. This will then give Iran a green light (knowing we are toothless and no one else is going to step up and fill our shoes) to manufacture as many bombs as they want, sell them to whoever they want and bomb whoever they want in the process. Then, we will be in a heap of trouble. So, forget the UN they are a nonentity and have been for generations.
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    @Tralee Oh....you obviously missed my sarcasm with respect to the UN. I would be shocked if they actually did something. But I think we should put the pressure on them to act to resolve this crisis; for no other reason than to point out the flat out hypocrisy, corruption and incompetence of the UN.
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    Stay out of it, arm Israel to the teeth, and let the rest sort it out...nothing concerning the Muslim nations will ever come of any good for U.S.!
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    While I think we should stay out of Syria and let our enemies kill our enemies The President has shown he is incompetent as a commander and chief.... He made public red line statements and then did not follow through at first sign of it's crossing months ago, Then did nothing to address the issue until again going public and stating he would strike ... Placing our forces on ready alert, at a cost of around 30 million per day... Now instead of calling Congress back to session, as he is authorized to do at a moments notice, he goes golfing and puts our forces on hold in ready state for up to 3 weeks and allowing time for Syria to move all of it's chemical weapons to civilian areas where they know we will not strike and giving Syria time to position systems and forces to retaliate while they now know they have a minimum of 2 weeks to kill as many people as they wish...
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    I agree. The president should call Congress off their golf courses too. Nobody golfs while children are getting gassed. But alas, I suspect the president would be criticized if he did call an emergency session. That is the pathetic state of our partisan politics. I guess we could always hope for a sudden and unprecedented wave of moral conscience among our Congressmen.
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    Obama has stated he has the authority to attack Syria without Congressional approval .... What Law, What Constitutional Authority does he have when the War Powers Act states clearly what his authority is.... And what his limits are...

    From the 1974 War Powers Act...

    c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
    The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to
    (1) a declaration of war,
    (2) specific statutory authorization, or
    (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
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    Now Congress, tell the resident fool to go to bed. Remind him of the sleep he got when American troops were being murdered and he said stand down. Tell him to not worrry about Syria. They will make it or not. It matters not to us.
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    All right, that's it ... all of you conservatives with your endless Obama-bashing have lost all credibility IMO. I don't like him either, but sheesh! On this issue, you have him damned no matter what he says or does. How does that work? He says "executive order" and you all say "dictator! You must get congressional approval!" He says "I'll wait for congressional approval" and you all say "he's stalling!" or "he's backpedaling!" or "he's passing the buck!" That, my right wing frenemies, is the very definition of hypocrisy.

    Sorry, you just don't get to have it both ways. If you want to have an effect on this issue, email your state's two senators and your district House rep. If you don't know your rep's name, look it up here: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ . Until you've had your say where it has at least a possibility of making a difference, stfu, the lot of you.
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    Oh, almost forgot -- a Note to Ms. Pelosi: You voted yes on Afghanistan, yes on the Patriot Act, yes on NDAA, yes on extending expiring portions of the Patriot Act, and now you're stating that you favor military action in Syria. How the heck do you keep getting elected as a liberal? smh ...
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    Not stalling the community organizer is what he is.He could do nothing as that in the same way he can do nothing in his current position.
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    @miketost - Proving my point. If he does nothing, he's wrong. If he does something, he's wrong. I don't give a ratz azz about community organization skills. IMO we should stay the hell out of it, and I've emailed my opinion to my reps (did that yesterday, before Obama's announcement . . . saw this coming, I did . . . :)
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    "He says "executive order" and you all say "dictator! You must get congressional approval!" He says "I'll wait for congressional approval" and you all say "he's stalling!"

    He did put himself in one tight space. He did it to himself, he puffed up like a banney rooster and was ready to play world cop, then he looked around and saw he was by himself. Now he wants to get congress in on it so he can gracefully bow out. I don't want to bomb Syria, let him hide behind congress. OK by me.
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    @Denizen_Kate you do realize that is because there are people who support and people who oppose a military intervention in Syria? You are acting like there is a homogenized coconscious between members on the left and right. There are some on each side who feels one way or another and thus he will be both wrong and right either way.

    P.S. This is hardly a conservative thing and I am not sure Obama cares what conservatives have to say. This is his own Democrat party that is divided with top members calling for a strike while most of lower members and public seem to oppose it.
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    Wow, just when I thought this guy couldn't get worse, he gets worse! I have a feeling he's hoping that congress will not give him the go ahead thus taking all responsibility away from him to make ANY decision. The man is inept, toothless and a braggart liar! Tell us about that red line again loser! He's all talk and no action. What an embarrassment and we have 40 some months of this ineptness to get through. God help us all. No wonder he couldn't find anyone to go to the dance with him, they see right through his bluster and empty words. No longer just an empty chair, but an empty suit not sitting in that empty chair. I guess we all know that he will never actually take up the reins of office and ACT like the President of the United States. Nice money and perks for a few photo ops and speeches.
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    wow all of a sudden Obama has had an epiphany.. he realizes he's the president of the oldest democracy( which is wrong its a representative republic) and so while he decided he's going to take military action against Syria and be a tough guy.. he realizes its up to the Congress and the American people.... unlike his ridiculous unfair tax on MANDATORY GOVERNMENT RUN health care.. in which he didn't give a rats ass what the American people thought. Obama is a PUNK. plain and simple, he is using this excuse to get himself off the hook so he can act like a tough guy and claim that the Congress and American people didn't want him to attack Syria.
  • #129
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    Fine, but if Obama really did initiate the order, I don't want to see you bitching about Obama about this.

    If it was up to Obama, he would of given the order already. So we will see whos the punk, Obama or Congress.
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    @Starsplash you're missing the point... this is all drama by our drama queen president. he standing there beating his chest hoping that Congress will hold him back.
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    Coarse Obama puts congress on the hook. He put both feet in his mouth with his red line and now won't back it up. Now he wants congress to make a decision on it so if it goes sour he THINKS he'll be off the hook.
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    Obama was in an idiotic position on Syria. This is the first time he went to Congress for approval. He is hoping and praying that they will save him and vote no. Unfortunately it is to expensive and stupid to vote to go to war.
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    @Saving_USA I doubt it. Kerry made too much of a case for it as did Obama. He is just trying to weasel his way out of his position.
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    I have an idea. Let them solve their own problems. Take all the money that's to be spent on the attack and use it to stop the wildfire in Yosemite. By the time the fire is out we'll have helped ourselves, and if Syria still needs international help, we can put out a normal amount of force like the other UN countries. There are plenty of other countries who live in the same yard as Syria who should be the ones taking the first action.

    By the way American people are being killed by the fire. No Americans (that have been reported) are being killed in Syria.

    I see this as a better option than riding in like a lone cowboy potentially starting an international war with Russia, China, and company....
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    I'm not sure Israel appreciates giving Syria and Iran 10 free days to jockey for position on a retaliation.
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    Israel is far from helpless. You don't think they're sitting around waiting for us to make a decision, are you? They're always prepared.
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    Yes, at least they have their gas masks at the ready but who or what will now protect them and the rest of the world from the bombs from Iran? Fallout shelter time is coming.
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    @Denizen_Kate There does seem to be a domino effect that if we can't stop Assad who has used WMD then stopping NK or Iran from developing WMD is also not doable.
    That does leave Israel on their own.
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    Podhoretz is right, but Congress should still vote to attack. Obama is stalling and trying to find someone else to blame, and Congress should not give him an excuse.
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    Good grief! Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He says "executive decision" and the right hollers "NO! You must get congressional approval!" He says he'll wait for congressional approval, and now he's stalling?

    I don't see it as stalling. I don't see that he had any choice. The American people have been overwhelmingly in favor of any military action first being approved by congress, so IMO this was a brilliant, in your face, put up or shut up move on his part.
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    @Denizen_Kate Americans don't favor war in Syria. Congress should do what their constituents want. We know they won't though, they just like our President do what party line dictates.
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  • #126
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    Obama should keep his big pie hole shut!!!!! He is a one man wrecking machine !!! What he needs to do I's ask congress to vote him out of Washington and back to Chicago to all the other corrupt politicians!!!!
  • #130
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    Actually, Obama hasn't really said anything or done anything. All he has done is recited what's already known. He gave congress the opportunity to decide what to do.
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    @Starsplash oh really!! What about his red line comment? Did you miss that? If he didn't put his foot in his mout on that he wouldn't have to worry about looking like about a butt hole and backing up his mouth!! Sure there were chemical weapons BUT he doesn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Assasd, there are so many nuts over there and it's a civil war!!! The war monger needs to stay out of it b4 HE starts aWW!!!!!!
  • #118
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    So we have gone from executive action regarding the use of drones and deriding previous administrations authorized use of force and coalition building to going it alone and blaming congress if we do go to war?

    What's our objective? Is it humanitarian? or is it regime change is it WMD's? Sounds exactly like what we went to Iraq for?

    We have a reluctant CinC who's bluff has been called and has painted himself into a corner. This is a foreign policy nightmare made real by an administration that has no clue what to do or how to act. Bush may have been an idiot but Obama is surpassing him by leaps and bounds.
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    Its not something I can support without some fairly solid evidence and the evidence is pretty murky so far.
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    Obama and his team of idiots have succeeded in making us fundamentally weaker in the eyes of our enemies and our friends... good job boi!
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