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    @burny2013 I saw that article too. It said that 15,000 people accepted tote bags from a booth at the state fair. It did not say that 15,000 people signed up and/or endorsed it.
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    The support comes from people with pre-existing conditions, like myself, who will no longer have to pay more than twice as much for coverage as others in our age bracket. That is, when we can get coverage at all.
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    1) "It's better than current system which is unaffordable and unhealthy."

    It actually enhances and expands current system involving a new player, government, which includes IRS as enforcers. Which ultimately still keeps it unaffordable and unhealthy.

    2) "It gives a chance to states to devise programs that works for them."

    States have always had a chance to devise programs that works for them. In this case states are beholden to the federal government. Constitutional violation.

    3) "Taxpayers in states that aren't cooperating still pay for the law and the money goes to somewhere else."

    Ah, the obvious unbiased, uncorrupted IRS enforcing this? Wait.....the IRS IS biased, IS corrupted.....so those "taxpayers" that do not cooperate, read conservative christians will be targeted, not the non paying taxpayers. And the money goes where again? Somewhere else? Could you be more vague and ambigous?
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    It's a racket. I am all for universal healthcare but this compulsory purchase and the companies can raise prices at will - just like what has happened here after this country went over to private healthcare in 2006.
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    "We'll all be better off working together together instead of to keep replaying the same old battles," he said.

    Agreed. So stop telling the same lies over and over and over and over and over and over......
    I understand that progressive liberals subscribe to Hitler's maxim of repeating a lie over and over again people will believe it.....it still doesn't make it true.....

    Actually here: Please stop doing this:

    But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success. Actually from "War Propaganda", in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925), by Adolf Hitler

    If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
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    Here's what I understand. This administration has lied about Obamacare as well as other things that are important to every American that they can no longer be trusted to shoot straight on anything. Not to mention the gross incompetance we've seen. This presidency has been an utter failure.

    Anybody here Obama's latest Red Line comment? He won't even stand by his own words. I hope the people who voted for him are pounding their collective heads on the nearest wall.
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    I don't have a tremendously favorable view of Obama care because I wanted more. I wanted a truly national medicare for all type program. That said Obama care is way better than what we had before and the facts prove it.

    And as usual the opposition stems from low information voters not understanding it. The Republican party is desperately trying to stop it from bieing implemented because they know that as soon as it goes into full effect and people actually understand it they will not want it repealed......just like that FAMOUS tea party sign "Keep your government hands off my Medicare".LOL
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    They recruited Clinton? Just shows how smart they are -- not. He's a known serial liar and triangular political divider.
    Obamacare is more of the same old corruption of healthcare we've had for 50 years. The same wealthy oligarchs who run it and the same leftist manipulators of the needy will continue working together to screw the middle class even more.
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    I dislike Clinton as much as I dislike Obama. I distrust Clinton as much as I distrust Obama. The law is a pig, and Clinton is no better a makeup artist than anyone else the regime has sent out to apply the lipstick.
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    Why should I even listen to such a creep as Bill, he and his wife are the classic example of corruption, sexual misadventure and out right lies, they are the real ugly Americans.

    Obama Care is designed to fail and be converted into a Communist single payer system, with Death Panels to save people from having a poor quality of life.

    Lack of opposition is because nobody can understand the dam thing and that the parasites figure that they will just continue to live off the working folks.
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    "... sexual misadventure ... " Please elaborate. That actually sounds like fun.

    "... with Death Panels to save people from having a poor quality of life." What do you believe we have now? Instead of non-involved government bureaucrats (bad enough, I'll admit), we now have "death panels" consisting of bean counters and insurance actuarialists sitting in air conditioned offices making life-or-death decisions for us based on the company's bottom line. I could be wrong, but I think the government might actually take a person's health and well-being into consideration.
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    @Denizen_Kate
    Kate, I would guess that a sexual misadventure would be if the ladies did not wish for the attention, while some other women would likely think it was fun, and love the attention from Bill, even though he is married to the lovely Hillary

    As the Obama Care system goes broke, like England and Canada, we will undoubtedly find the words "quality of life" as described by Obama when he gave the example of giving people pills instead of a necessary operation.

    In all my years of dealing with the Government never once have I not been driven utterly nuts trying to make any sense of the rules and regulations.

    I will join you in being hopeful, and pray that at 80 Yrs I wont be put to death because of my quality of life, but wont hold my breath for a new policy from Uncle Sam's death panel, Ha Ha. keep laughing kid.
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    @mountain-folk

    And then you find you can’t find a doctor who can afford to treat your pre- existing condition or your present doctor says, audios, your on your own. And your insurance company says, audios you got Medicare.

    It’s like they gave you the roads with cheap gas and a cheap car, but many mechanics can’t afford to repair it due to price caps. They might quick fix it but it just breaks down again and is in worse shape then before. And then the transmission drops out on the road. Rev- rev- rev, you cant go anywhere, instant clunker.

    It’s like the difference between a private run hamburger stand and a government run hamburger stand. With the government stand you get a veggie burger with lots of pickles. There’s not even any ham in there.
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    Mere Socialism. Health care is a service, not an inalienable right. If you don't get "insurance", you are taxed and that tax increases exponentially every year afterwards. More taxation without representation.

    You want the service, you have to pay for it.

    What should of happened is every hospital should of privatized. Easier to deny services to folks who couldn't afford it. Folks using the ER as their primary care physician is the other problem. Mismanagement of services.
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    Slick Willie is a fool. If one does not like 0bamacare (and there are Many), it is obvious they will not support it. Typical Democrat "My Way Or The Highway" jargon...
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    The places where implementation has been a problem (so far) seem to be red states that refused to set up their own HIX.
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    Sorry, Mr. Bill, but the ACA is the worst of both worlds: a tax on those who can least afford it that goes into the pockets of insurance companies, and regulated by a bloated entity incapable of balancing a checkbook.

    Should be a paperwork nightmare for a few years, followed by the same types of horror stories we've been hearing all this time.

    STILL think it can morph into a "Medicare For All" system, where the funding can be adjusted as it progresses.
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    In January, insurers will no longer be able to charge higher rates or exclude coverage for the 129 million Americans with pre-existing conditions, Clinton pointed out.

    http://www.newsroomamerica.com/story/65015/ad...

    Insurance companies "can adjust their rates based on health status until 2014, to the extent state law allows," Jay Angoff, director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services, said.

    The Times reported that the child policy issue is one of a series of unintended consequences of the new Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. In 2014, when the full force of the law takes effect, the child policy problem will end because all Americans will be required to buy health insurance, and insurers will have to accept all applicants, even those with pre-existing conditions.

    Kathleen Sebelius, Health and Human Services secretary, blasted insurance companies for their decision to drop the policies, claiming in a policy statement insurers were "reneging on a previous commitment made in a March letter to 'make pre-existing condition exclusions a thing of the past.'"

    In a letter to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, Ms. Sebelius said the decision of some insurers to stop issuing child-only policies was “extremely disappointing," but she also admitted "nothing in the Affordable Care Act, or any other existing federal law, allows us to require insurance companies to offer a particular type of policy at this time."

    {There is always a catch that, imagine that, the 1 percenter insurances can find a way around. Supported and brought to you by our government.}
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    Here's a terrifying prospect, soon to become reality: The statist, government control of ALL healthcare at the precise moment the "baby-boomers," the largest demographic element in the history of the United States, is entering the period of maximum usage of healthcare resources.

    Rationing of healthcare is a certainty, given that market forces will not be present to encourage an increase in doctors, nurses, and hospitals. And get ready for a two-tier care system, with all the resentment it will generate in the population not in the "top tier." The inevitable pressure to "order" doctors, nurses, and hospitals to serve all economic sectors equally will be overwhelming ... America, welcome to socialism!!!
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    You state that "Rationing of healthcare is a certainty, given that market forces will not be present to encourage an increase in doctors, nurses, and hospitals." Which now-existing "market forces" are going away? It seems to me that this is a very good time to encourage our youth to enter the medical care field, with us Boomers rapidly aging. These are good jobs that can't be outsourced, and there will be need for more, especially nurses.
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    -17 million children can no longer be denied coverage

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

    The first and more limited estimate counts the people who would likely be denied coverage outright if the new health care law is overturned (or was never passed). The second and more expansive estimate adds cases in which the applicant might be offered a more expensive policy or one that excludes the pre-existing condition in question.

    In the big picture, the study found that "as many as 82 million Americans with employer-based coverage have a pre-existing condition, ranging from life-threatening illnesses like cancer to chronic conditions like diabetes, asthma, or heart disease."

    Specifically looking at children, the study found that for the more limited definition -- one that would be expected to result in outright exclusion from coverage -- would affect 5 percent of minors. The broader definition, which could include policies that cover everything but the pre-existing condition or full coverage for a higher price, would affect 24 percent of children.

    "Translating these percentages into numbers of people, there are 4 to 17 million children under age 18 with some type of pre-existing condition," the HHS analysis said. So the film is cherry-picking the high end of that range.

    It’s also worth noting that the film has stripped some important context from this number. The film said that due to the new health care law, "17 million kids can no longer be denied for a pre-existing condition." That’s the higher of the two figures -- by a factor of more than four -- and one that includes cases in which the child isn’t actually denied, but in which the family has to pay higher premiums. For those situations, it’s not really accurate to say that they’ve been "denied" coverage, but rather that they are forced to pay more for coverage.
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