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    But the republicans are coming for your money.

    You need to be really skeptical of either party, because lobbyists run your govt.
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    I've been hearing that for my whole life, and it still hasn't happened. The NRA feeds the weakminded the story of confiscation so you'll buy more product, its just that simple
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    @BigDon

    Yes these left winger anti American democrats actually seek gun confiscation , that is the true and real leftist agenda.
    They are the British sympathizers of today.
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    And why I live in New Mexico. (I was born in Kalifornia, but my family escaped during the FIRST Jerry Brown governorship).
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    @fistv how do you think this BS snuck through in Colorado? All the California invaders trying to control our legislation! The tyranny goes way beyond gun ownership and into recreation - paintball, laser tag, sport shooting. If they can't win through legislation, they will win through intimidation!
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    @TAGZILLA I'm pretty sure they totally realize what criminals will not do. They only use the myth of stopping criminals to confuse and hide the real goal, which is the total disarmament of the total population. There have been public statements made about how they can disarm the population within one generation through the use of law making. One can on imagine what is going on behind closed doors. The laws being forced through here in California will make thousands of unknowing gun criminals just because the general public doesn't know what laws are being passed. Then when the get caught with one gun that was legal yesterday, but is illegal today, they are a felon and loose their gun rights forever.
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    The study from Harvard proved gun control is exactly the wrong thing to do. Links to the study are posted in multiple debates. Harvard studied gun control throughout the world. The conclusion was simple. The more guns in the hands of ordinary citizens the fewer crimes, the fewer murders, the fewer suicides. These proposed laws can only be though of as outright criminal and stupid.
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    So, if there were only 100,000,000 guns in the country there would be more gun violence? When there are 400,000,000 there will be less crime and suicide than there are today with 300,000,000 guns?
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    Jerry Brown is not the crown.....

    Perhaps it is time for the good people to remind him of that and vote him out? Which unlike these bills IS Constitutional.....
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    They are sinking that state into border cartel status and fighting law abiders tooth and nail to do it. Through all their other idiotic laws, financial straights, corruption, private prisons which want to lock everybody up for life on a minor charge. Pathetic, and I used to like Ca.
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    My family escaped Kalifornia during the first Jerry Brown governorship. How Kalifornians allowed him to be elected AGAIN is beyond me.
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    @Denizen_Kate Lawless, police corruption, gangs and drugs and illegals, citizens are helpless and overwhelmed by armed smugglers and criminals, afraid to come out after dark, or even in daylight. I worked with a guy who bought property in one these neighborhoods, beachside in Mexico, when he went to visit he said he went to a relatives house as where he had bought land was a dangerous place, so much so that he has decided against building there. That is the future of your state, and this country, with our current lawmakers in charge.
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    Looks like California did not like being displaced from the Brady Campaign's #1 position. They will not be out-done by NY.

    The complete lack of efficacy is mind-blowing. It's almost like they sat around brainstorming on how they could best persecute law-abiding gun owners in ways that will have the least impact upon crime.
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    All the NRA nutters said that here in NY about the new Gun law here, so I tested it!

    I wanted a glock in the house for protection. Its inexpensive, and the Glock 9mil was the weapon I earned one of my Army marksmanship badges with in the Army.

    So after hearing the right wing weaklings whine for months about the new gun laws, I went and applied for a permit! You know what happened, they made me apply for a permit (the horror). I had to pay $20..Dun dun daaaa! That new law is so restrictive. WOW, TWENTY DOLLARS, LOL

    Then I had to wait for the background Check (Jeopardy Music).....Then I went to the store on Harlem Ave in Buffalo and bought my pistol. I was forced to PAY $3 MORE DOLLARS to register the gun......Can you imagine? I had to register my car, boat, even my marriage is registered...Now I have to register my gun too? What's next, LOL

    Seriously Folks, Get a grip!
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    @FFS-
    I am glad you had a pleasant experience.
    In NJ, it will cost you over $100 to get your Firearm ID card, then again for every permit to purchase a pistol, then $15 for the background check when you actually get to buy your pistol 6 months later.

    Regardless, your argument about background checks is not relevant to the discussion about ineffective intrusive legislation like that discussed in the article.
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    @BigDon Its very relevant. the same arguments were made here in NY, and nobodys guns were confiscated. Nobody's will be either!
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    @FFS-
    Well, if you happened to own a rifle that was once good-to-go, but overnight becomes outlawed as a *deadly assault weapon*, they did in fact take your gun away, did they not? If they tell you that you cannot own a rifle in NY that is perfectly legal to own in VT, they are taking a gun away from you.

    Very few people believe the storm troopers are going to come kicking your door in. But when you have politicians who have publically avowed to pass laws outlawing firearms, you need an organization that can stand up to them.
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    @BigDon In fact, no, nobody took your gun away. The article clearly says you can keep your rifle, but you simply have to register it. Why is registration so taboo? My car, boat, mortgage, marriage, even my kids' births are registered. it only makes sense that weapons be registered too!
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    I have heard the word "ban" more in the last two years than in my entire lifetime. Responsible gun ownership is just that. Responsible. Let someone show that are not responsible enough to have a weapon, then ban that individual, not a whole class of inatimate objects.
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    Jerry Brown is an idiot who will sign the irresponsible legislation into law. California is not known as the "land of fruit and nuts" for no good reason. These laws do nothing to curb crime or assaults and place undue hardships on responsible citizens while violating the 2nd Amendment. Legal challenges should be mounted and recall proceedings started against the author of these bills and the Governor if he signs them.
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    Yes, Many Democrats need to be recalled.
    Remember this also.. ObamaCare not a single republican vote.
    Those same anti gun, anti American democrats forced Obamacare onto all Americans, They all should be ousted
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    @Vance1 I am sick of Democrats being called Anti-American!Never fought and died in any of all our wars did they? Just so people like you could have the right to call them Anti-American? How dumb of me! When I know that ONLY republicans have fought and died for U.S.
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    California and other declining blue states wouldn't have to worry about guns so much if they were better at improving JOBS and the ECONOMY. When will the Dem establishment in those stagnating welfare states start to do that, and not have to worry about guns?
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    So... we've been saying this for a while. But people aren't mad about losing their guns, they're upset because they are losing their rights.
  • #199
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    I'd say it's both, and the right to own firearms and weapons is the most basic right of all, since it is the right that protects and guarantees all the others.
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    A little bit of both, actually. It's not so much the supposed gun confiscation, that's what the NRA uses to rake in the dough. It's the fact that there is no real legitimate danger, gun-control groups want to punish gun owners for being gun owners. It's an ideological war between the two, more or less.
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    There will be regardless even if the gun grabbers go completely silent. 2014 elections will get rid of many anti-gun politicians, especially at the state levels. 1994 elections all over again.
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    @Concerned_Cit I hope you are correct, I am afraid folks will get distracted by some other new bobble and forget the DEMs have stolen our rights of gun ownership, free speech, protection from unlawful search.
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    The exodus of conservative Californians is creating a vacuum for more illegals from Mexico. California can expect their crime rates to continue to soar.
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    It's time for socialist democrats to be put out of our missery They are with out a diubt the most incompetent, self serving , crybabbies this world has ever had the misfortune to have to tolerate. A one world order begins by taking away the means to defend ones self against oppression.
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    Then its a good thing nobody in America is proposing that anyone be disarmed! Read the article!
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    @r2carry Again, You attack me instead of discussing the issue? are you that incapable of talking about the point that you feel a need to attack me? LOL You've already lost!

    Nobody has ever taken guns away. Go shoot cans, nobody cares!
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    @FFS- if you outlawed the purchase of new cars and new car parts, do you really think there would be any left in one generation? This is confiscation without legwork.
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    @Robbo03712 There is no part in this legislation that even comes close to confiscation. The NRA has been feeding that silliness to the plodding simpletons for decades because it gets them to buy more product! Its advertising, and very effecting!
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    Billions of dollars have been spent convincing stupid people that guns are the problem.

    When all along, they know damn well that they themselves are the problem. The politicians are the problem because they are afraid that they don't have the political capital to take the hard line on crime and the media hype need to address the problem of criminals killing people.

    The politicians have invested way too much of our money preserving their own jobs to back down now. Now that they are so close to reaching their objective of disarming any armed opposition to their career goals.
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