• #2
    Putin is not to be trusted, but that doesn't mean that every word out of his mouth is a lie.

    Our biggest problem in world affairs is not understanding the situation, but thinking that we do.

    But don't ever think that Mr. Putin is our friend.
  • #10

    It's more like we think what works for us should work for anyone.

    Unless they have oil, then it's whatever keeps the oil flowing.
  • #21
    @harold_lloyd - I don't have a problem with his expressing his views as they may be fairly accurate. The problem I have is that some of the same ethnic trouble was the action taken with the Georgian ethnic reprisals by Russia in the not too distant past.
    "Do as I say, not do as I do"????
  • #69
    I'd trust him more on this and the Snowden issue than President "Radical Muslim In Chief" Hussein Obama and his buds in Washington that circumvent the Constitution and other law to suit their agenda.....
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  • #11
    Mr Putin is trying so hard to recapture the glory days of the USSR, and he sees the Syria situation as an opportunity for Russia to score a diplomatic victory. Well, if it works, sure, why not.

    But he's right about that "American Exceptionalism" nonsense. The principal differences between people on the planet stem from an accident of birth.
  • #19
    Ah crap. I'm missing 'The Red Green Show' reruns for this. Remember, we're all in this together. And keep your stick on the ice.
  • #25
    HAHA I haven't watched that program in yearrrrs! I need to again, it had some great moments. I always loved his duct-tape gags.
  • #29
    @Politic-n Saw them live a few years ago in MN. Great show. Trying to find on netflix for the really old ones. Alittle goofy, but can always walk away with some life advice!
  • #32
    If the women don't find you handsome, at leat they can find you handy!
    possum lake motto...
    I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess...
  • #17
    Putin & obama both believe american exceptionalism is bad & is the reason bad things happen. They believe it is something that needs to be corrected.
  • #40
    Exceptionalism is common in most nations -- human nature is to see one's people, and therefore oneself, as exceptional. The mistake we've made is in our assumption that what is good and right and true for us should be so for everyone, but the very concept of democratic government and rule is not even understandable to some of the world's cultures. When the only rule a culture has ever known is warlordship, dictatorship, or strong-arm authoritarianism, the very concept of the "peasants" making decisions for themselves is mind-blowing. THAT is what we, as a nation, need to understand, IMO.
  • #59
    @Denizen_Kate I agree with you. We have wasted lives, fortune & time trying to impose our idea of freedom & liberty to those that do not understand or want it. Havind said that though, that is not what putin or obama have said. They have both stated that the problem is american exceptionalism. I can understand putin having a problem with it but fail to undrstand why our own president takes exception to our exceptionalism. It is time to stop giving this prez the benefit of the doubt. His actions as well as his words show that he wants america taken down a few notches while we give more of our riches away to raise other nations up. Who will fill tje void left by america? There is not another as good & powerful as we once were to fill those shoes. Yes, we have made mistakes & yes we have done bad on occassion but no country has ever been a force for good like america has.
  • #90
    @Mia - Nonsense. "... but fail to undrstand why our own president takes exception to our exceptionalism." Why must conservatives hammer the president into the "bad guy" role over and over so relentlessly? He isn't as all-powerful as y'all make him out to be, nor is he evil. He doesn't take "exception to our exceptionalism" he's simply wise enough to know exactly what I explained in my reply above, with which you said you agree, and that is that our exceptionalism often leads us to do the wrong things for the right reasons, and it's high time we learned from that. How does that translate into "he wants america taken down a few notches"?

    Obama is just another man who hasn't lived up to the hype, plain and simple. That doesn't make him evil.
  • #106
    @Denizen_Kate I did agree w/ you that we have gotten involved when & where we shouldnt have at times but i never said that it was due to our idea of american exceptionalism.
    American exceptionalism is the notion that the United States occupies a unique position in the world, offering opportunity and hope to others by its unique balance of public and private interests and constitutional ideals of personal and economic freedom. The phrase, often attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835 Democracy in America.
    I never said obama is evil. I do stand by what i said about him wanting to bring america down a couple notches.
    When Americans Obama's age were in elementary school learning about George Washington, Barry Soetoro was learning about Malik al Saleh. 
    Obama's"spread the wealth around" worldview and "you didn't build that" mentality acquired from the knee of Communist Party USA member Frank Marshall Davis explains alot but not everything. 
    Regarding his foreign policy in the Middle East and Northern Africa. why has he promoted and aided the so-called Arab Spring and allowed the Islamic world to be turned upside-down. Governments which were non-threatening to the United States and Israel were toppled Yet Iran's regime, presumably the most radical and dangerous to U.S. interests, was allowed to remain intact, as the attempted revolution was ignored by Washington. the goals seem to have been to transform the interests of the United States, while strengthening Islamic fundamentalism and threatening Israel.
    Obama seems to be a president who is not an american at heart.
  • #108
    @Mia - "he promoted and aided the so-called Arab Spring and allowed the Islamic world to be turned upside-down." Ridiculous. Obama is in no way responsible for the recent upheavals in the Middle East. Facilitating here and there where the people were fighting for the right to democratic self rule is about as far as that went, until it got to Libya lobbing missiles at their own civilians, at which time Obama backed the UN and NATO in putting a stop to that, with very little expense to the American taxpayers, I might add.

    I'm going to stop now, because I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall. You've made up your mind that the president is out to get us. I've made up my mind that he's a flawed man who means well. So be it.
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  • #13
    Putin is saying what will help him and his allies, nothing more, nothing less. Syria is his ally, and profits from the war by selling arms and other things. He is just trying to scare a weak American President into not doing anything.

    Obama backed the U.S. into a corner with his remarks and tough talk, and Putin is cleverly using past failed military events of the U.S. and public opinion as tactics to herd Obama into doing what he wants. There is no "win" for the U.S. at this point, no matter what Obama or Congress does.

    If we don't act now after all the red line talk, we look weak and enable more use of chemical weapons by other governments.

    If we do act, we get involved in another war that will cost us much money and American lives. Darned if we do, darned if we don't.
  • #38
    It always amazes me how easily people ascribe their own perceived motives to the actions of others. You don't really KNOW why either Putin or Obama did or said anything. That's called conjecture.

    As long as the chemical weapons are placed out of harms way, and out of the reach of terrorists, and it's done without anyone getting killed, do we really care who claims credit?
  • #5
    never thought i would agree with russia,he does make more sense that obama ever has. sad thing to say about a sitting USA president,shame.
  • #37
    "As the US prepares a possible missile attack on Syria, it is worth remembering the times in modern history when Syria was cooperative with the US or even an ally (yes). I’m not sure on whom this record of cooperation reflects worse, but it shows it is a Realist world out there…

    1. In 1976 as the Palestine Liberation Organization and its Muslim and Druze allies were poised to take over Lebanon, Syria received a green light from the US and Israel to invade and put them down, strengthening the right wing Christian militias that were rivals to the PLO.

    2. In 1985 Syria intervened with hijackers holding passengers on a US airliner hostage in Lebanon to free them, and was thanked when it succeeded by president Ronald Reagan.

    3. In 1989, Syria supported US and Saudi attempts to broker a deal among Lebanon’s warring factions, leading to the Taif Accords that brought the Lebanese Civil War to an end.

    4. Syria fought as an ally of the US against Iraq in the Gulf War in 1991.

    5. In the 1990s, Syria attended several peace summits aimed at ending the Israel-Palestinian struggle. Then President Hafez al-Assad accepted George H. W. Bush’s invitation to talks, and later he met with President Clinton during the latter’s diplomatic push.

    6. After 2001, the US sent captured al-Qaeda operatives to Syria to be tortured by that country’s secret police.

    7. Syrian intelligence let the United States know when it discovered an al-Qaeda plot to attack the US Fifth Fleet navy HQ in Bahrain."

    Knowing these things, how in good faith can we be involved in Syria's civil war. With chemical weapons gone, aren't we supposed to stay out of affairs like Syria's civil war? Both sides have terrorist organizations fighting with them. With no threat of WMDs, aren't we supposed to stay out if it? We had a civil war. It may have been a long time ago, but Syria nor any other nation, interfered.
  • #43
    Yup, we have a bad habit of using people/nations, when it suits us. Then throwing them under the bus!
  • #20
    I agree with Putin. It actually makes more sense that the rebels would have gassed these people than the current regime. They stand to gain much more from it.
  • #22
    They both were looking to gain a lot. How did the rebels get chemical weapons? I just don't see it. Either way, what a tragedy.
  • #26
    @Now_What I don't understand what Assad could have gained by this. Seems like political suicide to me. Rebels getting chemical weapons isn't too hard for me to believe.
  • #27
    @Now_What the rebels have been caught receiving them from Saudi Arabia via Turkey (if the Russian media is to be believed).
  • #28
    @KevinCro I see your point and it isn't out of the question at all. But I think Assad was okay turning guns on the rebels, I don't think his regime would have any issue using chemical weapons when they have so much of it.
  • #30
    @Yank I can see it either way. I think Assad is a bad dude though, I can't put it past him either. In any event, let them hash it out, it just isn't our fight either way.
  • #16
    I don't trust Putin. That said, we are now the bad guys. When Russia looks like the voice of reason, we look exceptionally bad.
  • #66
    Calling Putin a Commie is extremely dishonest, intellectually speaking. Yes, he was born in Russia in 1952 to parents who were member of the Communist Party and he joined the military which required him to swear allegiance to the Party. But Putin abandoned the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1991 and aligned himself with the Our Home-Russia Party, the Unity Party, was an Independent for a while, and is now a member of the United Russia Party. NONE of those parties are Communist.
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  • #9
    I don't trust Putin but I don't trust our government either. Almost all of our government have been caught in lies to us and our congress.
    We have more than enough on our plates just trying to get our country back together and there will be plenty of upcoming fights on capital hill with the budget fight looming.
  • #6
    As much as we do not understand their way of life, they also don't understand our ways. They are so use to living under a supreme ruler, our system is completely alien to them. They don't want us there mingling in their business.
  • #44
    @MolonLabe that's such an ignorant stance to take. our country was built on the backs of refugees and immigrants and slaves. it's a complete melting pot. only a handful of "Americans" are actually 100 % American, and I'm sure that handful does NOT include u. so tell me, what grounds do have to keep those refugees out ??
  • #85
    @xxxdxexsxxx On the grounds that my ancestors built this country, they didn't come here for a handout, free healthcare, food and us to raise their children. There is no more room in the inn.
  • #3
    Damn right we're not a model of democracy, but we will bring some brute force a-hole...when we're threatened directly or responding.
  • #45
    Assad a dictator you say his own people like he actually cares about them. His family has been in power for decade's. They do not share the resources equality. Hold votes on what's best for everyone. He dose what he wants including driving down the street. Point a women out pick her up. Make her have sex or kill her. Things like this happen all the time in these countries. You have no idea the everyday horrors knowing if you say the wrong thing you can be kidnapped, tortured, or killed. People of Syria are not free. All these things have been taking places for years way before this war. That's why the people rebelled in the first place. Wake up! His own people what a joke!
  • #48
    @fayban I'm not sure you are following. I'm referring to the rebels attacking their women and children in order to frame Assad. This is a theory that is out there, primarily in foreign media outlets.

    I'm aware of the horrors in many of the middle eastern countries. But I am only looking at this single, isolated act of who used the chemical weapons, as this is what's currently under international scrutiny.
  • #51
    @Now_What there is at least one report that the "attack" was the result of miss handling by rebels who were being paid to move weapons belonging to a Saudi prince and his combat personnel in Syria. when they accidentally went off.
  • #96
    @Now_What I'm following quite well. We would like to stop man like Assad from existing. The world will be a better place. The sad thing is most Americans could care less how many women are rapped children are gassed man are murder. From what I hear on this site everyone thinks our country sucks were the evil one. To me its incredibly. Most use the familiar term "the troops" to support their selfish views of hatred. Last I check our military is voluntary composed of less then 1% of the population. Do you actually believe our service man and women join holding the believe they will be fighting on American soil? Most sure know these are the exact things they will be called upon for. So yes you are in part responsible for the slaughter of innocent people because you would like to allow it to continue. You support muder, kidnapping, and rapp through your actions.
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  • #65
    These statements coming from a former KGB thug? These statements coming from a fist-pounding dictator whose country is a messed up place, and you don’t need to look very far to find evidence of all kinds of nastiness, abuse, corruption, dysfunction and general despair. Don't trust him....not for a minute.
  • #64
    " Putin urged the United States to abide by the laws of the United Nations Security Council - and not rely on what he described as a "dangerous" sense of American exceptionalism."

    "Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan 'you're either with us or against us,'" Putin added.

    And 73% of the people here agreed with this assessment? I'm amazed, is America NOT exceptional? What other country are people risking their lives to sneak into? What other country has a line miles long of people trying to enter LEGALLY?

    And his smirking little warning, the one about using the UN Security Council's recommendations? Well, who the hell is sitting like a duck on that council to VETO any recommendation that Syria be sanctioned in any way? Right, Russia, China. They will never agree to any sanctions.
  • #81
    People are risking their lives to get here because they can get free medical care, free food, free housing, live ten to a house and send all the money they do earn back to their native country.

    From how many countries are we getting engineers, scientists, architects and others who can make their own way compared to how many show up bag in hand expecting handouts and tax-free wages?
  • #84
    @PayThatCEO OH we get them, lots of them, you just don't hear about them. Maybe not enough, but the legal immigrants have to be self sustaining, they can't come here legally and get benefits. That's why so may sneak in, they can't pass the self sustaining test. And, none of the negates the fact that America is still the most desired location to live for most people. I am amazed that so many seemed to agree with Putin, I can only hope that most didn't read the whole article and only read the headline. Still, if they don't like it here, at least in America, they have the freedom to leave.
  • #89

    No, we don't really have the freedom to leave because other countries have much stricter immigration policies than the United States. While the door is wide open here, in other countries immigrants must meet criteria or pay money or both. Costa Rica, for example. You can't go there and get a job. Jobs are reserved for native Costa Ricans. What a concept.

    Technically, yes, I guess we're free to leave. But where would you go?
  • #100
    @PayThatCEO Me? I like it here, I don't think I would go anywhere else permanently. All I want to do is be south for the winter.
  • #57
    This just in !!!! Americans frothing at the mouth jumpin on the side of an ACTUAL communist over an ALLEGED communist...

    Talk about sheep lol
  • #46
    If Bashar Assad gets his op-ed space in tomorrow's NYT......I'm sure his positive poll #'s here on Politix will also be over 70%.
    This is sickening.
  • #101
    @Fishbone345 Putin might be shorter than the scarecrow in office, but just watching the two together, it's easy to see Putin towers over Obama in manliness. Sad thing to have to say about the US.
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