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    Here we go again. Another mass shooting of white people by a white guy who loves guns.

    At least with black on black crime only one corpse gets plumped in a casket.
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    @Center if I am disarmed as a matter of policy, the originators of that policy assume responsibility for my safety. Failing that, the policy needs to be lifted.
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    @Sam-T-Jones

    They have the most people control gun laws, Its very hard for anyone to get one there, Unless of coarse you work for the Government.
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    Ever since we started putting civilian cops on base things have gone down hill fast. This type of thing did not happen when Marines guarded the navy yard. It is also another great example of why mlitary personnel should be armed at all times!
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    @LastBornNormal Oh yes, you're so tough, lol. My point is that you are crying about other people crying before they even do so. Very weak.
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    @Concerned_Cit
    Never been much of a rifle guy. Besides inside the home a rifle is pretty ineffective, unless used as a club. A rifle is nice if you want to "reach out and touch someone". LOL
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    One man exposed security issues in naval installations around the globe two decades ago and was persecuted for doing so.
    Richard Marcincko, creator of Seal Team Six.
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    @Classified

    Yep, Red Cell and very much applicable to today. Navy Elite through out ALL of the lessons of Red Cell.
    As Marcincko would say, "doom for you Navy Elite !"
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    @daclark1911 - I have the dvd in storage in the same box my Fog of War video by Robert McNamara is in... More lessons ignored by command decision makers.
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    @Classified

    I've read Red Cell, fantastic read. I'm a big fan of Marcincko. I've read three of his books and working on reading all.
    Currently trying to digest Looming Tower, Al Qaeda and the road to 9/11 which is a monster of a read by Lawrence Wright.
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    Weak sauce. Look at what this base houses...

    "The Yard currently serves as a ceremonial and administrative center for the U.S. Navy, home to the Chief of Naval Operations, and is headquarters for the Naval Sea Systems Command, Naval Historical Center, the Department of Naval History, the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps, Naval Reactors, Marine Corps Institute, the United States Navy Band, and other more classified facilities."

    It's not like he or she stormed Camp Lejeune, where a bunch of Marines will shoot back. He or she went to a base where there are more panty waist school room sissy morons who could figure out they were under attack work.

    As I said before. Weak sauce.
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    Read what you wrote again.

    "Headquarters for the Naval Sea Systems Command, JAG, Naval reactors and other more classified facilities"

    This is literally the command center of the US Navy. Its probably one of the more heavily guarded bases in the US. Oh, and fun fact, its protected by Marines.
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    Sounds like they should be more armed to prevent things like this. I am currently in the process of joining the Navy and this worries me a little. My life being threatened at the base I work at in my home country instead of outside the country on deployment.
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    Honestly, I thought they were highly secured. My uncle was in the Air Force for 21 years and he recently retired a few years ago. I can remember going to visit him at his house on at the Little Rock AFB, and they had armed guards and even dogs to sniff anything out checking vehicles at the gate before you were allowed to enter. That was a few years ago. I guess things have changed since then. I know they do need more secured. Those are people that protect the people of this country whose lives are being threatened like this.
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    @MeganBlake712 - I couldn't agree more. This has to be a planned, coordinated attack, its hard for me to believe they could breach the base so easily. Something is very wrong here.
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    Apparently more GIs should be armed while at work. Self defense is a problem on bases, such as Fort Hood cafeteria Islamic terror shooting a couple years ago (victims prohibited to carry guns at work).
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    Amen Bro.

    You see 30 yrs ago when I was at Fort Hood, we did take our weapons every where we went, after Clinton took office it all was changed to a more "Anti Weapon" military.
    They should have left the policy alone.
    Liberals always make people less safe.
    The Fort Hood shooting could have been stopped quickly.
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    How did somebody get two guns one a long gun into a Navy base ?

    Ha DC how's all that gun control working out for you? And of course all the employees are unarmed because it's gun free zone. Killers love a gun free zone.
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    The military base had armed people on site. This contractor had a badge to get in and the other 2 alleged shooters were security with guns on video. I am not for gun control because it's pointless and 12 people are dead so far and I don't think making a joke is appropriate. Have some respect.
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    I carry my guns on and off the base all the time, I go to the skeet range and the range on base regularly. When I am out of town for extended periods of time and don't want to leave my guns in my home with no one there for two weeks, I just drive them over to the base and sign them into the armory for safe keeping. What people seem to not understand is that there is thousands of people that work on military installations every day 24/7, there is no way to search every car coming and going, my car has been searched coming on to the base three times this year and twice going off, it's random. If every car was searched every time no one would get any work done because they would be sitting at the gate all day. You can bring a gun on a base there is just procedures you have to follow and one is telling the Security Forces at the gate you have a weapon in your vehicle, where it's located at and usually they want to inspect it.
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    the Russians have come out and said about today is shooting " no one is even surprised anymore... this is another example of American exceptionalism"

    classy huh?
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    Are we surprised? Just another shooting. Goes on every day. People die from being shot every single day. Babies. Women. People at work. On the street. In shopping malls. We confiscate more than a few guns at the hospital I work at where, btw, there are armed guards and metal detectors.

    Do we DO anything about this violence? Not one damn thing. We've become uncivilized and we don't even know or care why. All anyone wants to do is hand out more guns. No one is interested in taking the time to explore the problem, talk about what's causing this violence, or how to deal with it. It's now becoming an excuse to put guns as prizes in cereal boxes.
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    @PayThatCEO yeah well we don't enforce the laws that are on the books. this particular clown had violated several gun laws in the past and been given a pass... shooting out someones tires is a crime shooting through the ceiling is a crime... yesterday's clown was known to have anger issues and problems with guns violations.. he probably should have already been in jail. The uk Telegraph today has a story about this guy's obsession with violent video games... but tell that to people and they'll say oh oh it's not the video games it's the gun.. I agree with you we are watching the disintegration of our civilization but it's not because of gun ownership
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    @bsking

    I agree with you 100%(shocking, I know) that we don't enforce the laws we have. I've said over and over, anyone who commits a crime with a firearm should get 25 years whether the gun was fired on not. Had this lunatic been arrested for shooting his neighbors tires out, he would be in jail right now and a bunch of people would still be alive today.

    But you will NEVER see such a law enacted because the NRA would have a screaming meemie because some poor "responsible" gun-owner might be caught up in this law. If you're a responsible gun owner you have nothing to worry about.

    We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. I'm not for gun control, but I am against the idiocy and lack of common sense that seems to permeate around gun rights. You have a right to a firearm....to a point. I have guns and I have no problem with a 25 year automatic sentence for that gun's use in criminal activity. Get these violent criminals off the street.

    As for video games, I don't buy that. I've watched many a horror movie and it doesn't make me want to go out and attack people with a chain saw. That being said, I'm becoming very concerned as to why violence and mental illness seem to be growing exponentially in this country. THAT is what should we should all be wondering and wanting answers to.
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    @PayThatCEO I agree and I agree about the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime... what we should get rid of first offense, defense.

    ... it is like giving criminals a mulligan. I'm watching on the news this morning a banker from Virginia Beach who screwed the investors out of millions of dollars in the bank actually went under.... he was looking at a hundred eighty years in prison.. got 17 years and his lawyer was crying a bit because it was his first offense... I realize it doesn't compare to the mass murder we saw yesterday...
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    @bsking

    We spend too much time focusing and jailing petty criminals and the REAL criminals are walking among us just waiting for an opportunity.
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    Anti-guns or Pro-guns.... I wonder if this issue applies? Dont really care. Much more concerned about tha paople that lost their lives. Our Heros, our soldiers... RIP.
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    Doesn't concern me personally, but the military might want to reconsider their Gun-Free zone policy, or at least allow more higher ranking NCO's and officers to carry.
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    This was not snythink like Ft. Hood or New town or Aurora. This was an attack by multiple people against the government. I expect more attacks like this. Another American Revolution for independence fromm a tyrannical government.
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    I bet they are already ramped up for that and just itching to try out all their new equipment. Boston 2.0 invasion.
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    Wonder if Obama will call this a terrorist act. I quess they are not counting the Fort Hood mass shooting by a musilim terrorist.
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    Please explain HOW a man with a general discharge from the US Navy and an arrest for shooting out the tires of someone's car and shooting at his upstairs neighbor through the ceiling manages to get a SECRET CLEARANCE AFTER 2011?
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    I was wondering the same thing. The guy had been arrested at least twice. My son has an arrest record from years back for marijuana and can't get a job as a welder with CSX railroad, but some guy who shoots out tires in a "black out rage" can get a job with our government in a secure military complex?
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    I work on one daily. I can tell you there is no way to secure them. You can secure certain parts with sensitive information or arms rooms, but the size and amount of people on the base as a whole is impossible. Some of these bases have tens of thousands of people on the base at any given time, including the soldiers, their families, and the civilians supporting them. Each one goes through the gates 3-4 times per day (give or take). You simply cant check or search everyone. You cant even get 10% without the entire base operations going to hell. Its simply not possible.
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